Hot Sucker

[monet]

I pulled it before the bet was made. The attendant even mentioned that I hadn't been playing on a card, but didn't seem that concerned. Seems like they would have had to audit my play afterwards, and figure out that I had been using the card on previous hands.

When they say that it shouldn't be on your players card account. You will have to sign and that will go to your Tax Account.
I say something like, yes I was playing on my card. Not sure why it didn't catch. I have have problems in the past with your system.
The Casino is a lot hipper to pulling the card. Most places don't like it and it can cause you some troubles.
An individual has to make their own choices if it is worth it or not and be ready to talk your way out of problems.
At times you may have to talk to "higher ups" if you start abusing shots too much.
This is all give and take and requires time for experience.
Usually it is best not to get upset or cause any type of a scene.
Some players get loud and abusive but I don't find that strategy works very well.

[Alan Mendelson]

Time for clarification please.

Casinos keep various records. Don't confuse a win/loss statement with a play statement that comes from using your card.

A win/loss statement can be kept separate from a card play statement and could show different amounts.

A player who doesn't use a card could have a win/loss statement that only shows wins because of W2Gs, while their play statement might show zero because they never used a card.

[Guy Incognito]

I don't want to get too specific in public, but there's a really good reason why I think this win was credited to my card. I'm not talking about win/loss; I don't think I could get that info right now anyway.

[quahaug]

If the casino always wins in the long run why does it matter to them or you whether or not you are ahead in the short term?

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't want to get too specific in public, but there's a really good reason why I think this win was credited to my card. I'm not talking about win/loss; I don't think I could get that info right now anyway.

This is an important issue. If you are saying the win was credited to your CARD HISTORY and your card was NOT inserted for the initial bet then it means your account was tampered with.

Again, are you sure your card was not inserted for the bet? And if so your account was tampered with.

[Guy Incognito]

If the casino always wins in the long run why does it matter to them or you whether or not you are ahead in the short term?

Loss rebates.

Again, are you sure your card was not inserted for the bet? And if so your account was tampered with.

Quite sure.

[Alan Mendelson]

If your account was tampered with consider filing a complaint with the regulators of that casino, if you think a complaint will help you.

[quahaug]

[QUOTE=Guy Incognito;73345]

If the casino always wins in the long run why does it matter to them or you whether or not you are ahead in the short term?

Loss rebates.

Ah right, loss rebates. But Alan says loss rebates don't help you win.

[Alan Mendelson]

[QUOTE=quahaug;73356]

If the casino always wins in the long run why does it matter to them or you whether or not you are ahead in the short term?

Loss rebates.

Ah right, loss rebates. But Alan says loss rebates don't help you win.

What an absolutely stupid trolling post.

[quahaug]

[QUOTE=Alan Mendelson;73358]

Loss rebates.

Ah right, loss rebates. But Alan says loss rebates don't help you win.

What an absolutely stupid trolling post.

It's a mildly humorous post. Calm down.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't think Guy needs your joke.

[monet]

Does card pulling work anywhere anymore? I tried it the other day at 4Q (older machine) and it still counted my win on the card. I'd have to assume most all machines are more modern/updated than that one, no?

I wonder if it doesn't work at 4Q it is because people advertised that it did work at one time. Maybe too many people started doing it. Monet will probably chime in as he seems to be the resident 4Q expert and on this matter as well.

It could of been my posts but I highly doubt it.
I do know that they had a problem at the bar months ago.
They had some readers giving you extra points but you could only get it for the first 100 points.
So after 100 points you had to pull the card, cash out and start over again.
A bunch of work but it was worth it.

After that debacle they had to shut down all the bar machines and fix the glitch.
That is probably when they fixed pulling the card.
Did anyone check the Horseshoe? Same Company and Same situation?
I haven't played there for some time but next time I go downtown I will see if card pulling works over there or not.
This stuff is all dying anyways. It is all almost over soon and I will see you all in the Poker Room in hopes that My Team can Cheat Your Team.

Also it wasn't long ago when the 4 Queens were running the free slot play promo...
Mr Ho got caught using other peoples cards and they made a stink about it.
They are starting to crack down somewhat.

I do apologize to Maxpen if I ruined something for him.
The rest of you can go screw lol.
Well not all of you... some of you are good Pikachus and I am sorry to hurt any of you.
You are all absolved in the name of Mediocrity.

[mickeycrimm]

Monet, i don't know if you know Pierre but he was detained for using multiple cards at 4Q years ago.

[monet]

Monet, i don't know if you know Pierre but he was detained for using multiple cards at 4Q years ago.

I don't recognize the name.
However, I know a few players from the mid to late 90s who got cut from the players club.
They got held for some time as well for pulling the typical AP moves that Casinos frown upon.
15 or some odd years later they signed up for a new card like nothing ever happened.
I guess when the ownership changed hands and a different computer system was put in place, many players got to start over again.
If I don't play at the Horseshoe for a long time the computer kicks me out of the system and I can do all the new sign up bonuses again.
They give me another players card with a new number like I never existed. I have done it a couple times over the years.
I don't do it on purpose. Usually what happens is they change some promotion and I don't play for a long time.

[happahero]

Pureeeee gold thanks monet.

Are STATIO props still separated clubs? (Palms ect ect)

[monet]

Pureeeee gold thanks monet.

Are STATIO props still separated clubs? (Palms ect ect)

It has been stated before.
KewlJ actually corrected me and it is clear that you can get 5 Mailers Rolling.

Palms
Fiesta Henderson
Wildfire
Barleys
The Rest of the Station Properties

Heck you might be able to squeeze out another that I don't know about.
I do know that you can at least get 3 Pit Mailers Rolling with The Palms, Fiesta Henderson and The Rest of Properties.
I currently get 3 Mailers for Machines which is Free Play and Food Comps.
I also get 3 Mailers for Free Bets in the Pit at the 50 dollar levels. So I get 6 Mailers if you look at it that way.
I haven't stepped foot in Barleys or Wildfire Casinos for some time.

[happahero]

Pureeeee gold thanks monet.

Are STATIO props still separated clubs? (Palms ect ect)

It has been stated before.
KewlJ actually corrected me and it is clear that you can get 5 Mailers Rolling.

Palms
Fiesta Henderson
Wildfire
Barleys
The Rest of the Station Properties

Heck you might be able to squeeze out another that I don't know about.
I do know that you can at least get 3 Pit Mailers Rolling with The Palms, Fiesta Henderson and The Rest of Properties.
I currently get 3 Mailers for Machines which is Free Play and Food Comps.
I also get 3 Mailers for Free Bets in the Pit at the 50 dollar levels. So I get 6 Mailers if you look at it that way.
I haven't stepped foot in Barleys or Wildfire Casinos for some time.

Will try them all eventually and report back with how many generate

[monet]

Does card pulling work anywhere anymore? I tried it the other day at 4Q (older machine) and it still counted my win on the card. I'd have to assume most all machines are more modern/updated than that one, no?

I wonder if it doesn't work at 4Q it is because people advertised that it did work at one time. Maybe too many people started doing it. Monet will probably chime in as he seems to be the resident 4Q expert and on this matter as well.

I am not sure what you guys are playing?
It must be the JoB's because that is the only bank that has the new system/readers.
Although you did say older machine so maybe you got the bad one
Everything is fine on all other machines I have tried it on.
Last I checked was on 9/22/18.
I see some players still playing the 10/7 DB with the cut card but not sure why!?
You have better at the bar with a few choices and no cut.

[monet]

A quick update on AZ Charlie Deactur.
You want to play on the 7x point days.
You want to get your card up to Green or Red.
Red is better.
You have to put in massive coin per card.
30k to 50k is the range.
As usual try to show a large loss.

Current Offers are 125 cash at the cage x 5 for 625 cash.
50 x 5 for Dining Awards for 250 in Food
5 Free Buffets used with coupon once a week basically.
1 Free Nights Stay offered if you need it but you can get more if you ask.
If you ask you can get more everything.

Advanced Strategy applies.
System can be manipulated.
You must be willing to use Black Methods... some call Grey Areas.
For those who understand you will need to use the usual tricks to get your advantage.
A few years ago, the All Mighty Wizard knocked this place but I disagree.
Always best to play when the place is empty.
Host on property till midnight at this establishment, FYI.

[kewlJ]

AZ-Charlie-D has been one of my favorite spots since I found it shortly after I moved to Vegas. It was my search for a decent cheesesteak that led me to AZ Charlie in the first place as Pop's, half a block away at Decatur and Alta has the best cheesesteaks in Vegas, although I could do without the outdoor seating 3 feet from a major road.

Anyway AZ-Ch-D has decent blackjack at moderate limits and they are not super sweaty as you might expect from a low roller joint. And while I don't play machines at Monet's levels, you can still get some nice offers for lower play amounts. I think they are one of the last places in Vegas that still gives you cash offers.

Mr Ron's steakhouse is ok. Nothing special but decent, which is more than I can say for AZ-CH-D buffet, which really sucks. Even for free it is overpriced. I am going to put AZ-Ch-D buffet in a tight fight with Silver Seven for 2 & 3 worst buffet in southern Nevada. Railroad Pass is easily the worst, unless I am forgetting some. I haven't been to Cannery in North Vegas for a while, they might be in that battle as well.