Hot Sucker

[monet]

So this thread will be dedicated to mailers in Vegas. I am guessing I will be the only member posting information on real life mailers and I understand why nobody wants to give this type of information out freely. However, I am guessing some Rec Gamblers might join in and let us know what they receive for Out of State Mail. Let's get started and as usual I like to start with downtown. I guess I will post each individual post per Casino because if I start to list all them and discussions about them on one post it will be very long. Am I trolling now mcap?

1. El Cortel

This is a very easy Casino to get your mail rolling. Out of State or Local are both good but my information will be mostly for locals. Do not forget that the El Cortel is hard on APs in general so you want to keep your numbers low and you do not only want to play on point days only. You may even want to mix it up with some Dice Play or BJ only playing basic strategy and not much movement in your bets. Perhaps only flat betting and basic strategy will be decent cover to your machine play which you won't need much.

They have enough Full Pay and Close to Full Pay Machines to make things worth while. You only need 5k to 10k to get your mail rolling and once it starts rolling you can play on the 5x point days to take advantage. If you want you can even play the Downtown Deuces which is over 100% flat with a cut card though. Move your play around and you only need 10k a month to take advantage of the ATM promotion. Perhaps do not do all three swipes. You can play daily and earn 2000 points and swipe for the 10 dollar free play which will give you break even. Go slow and you will make diamond level eventually but not needed.

Max Mailers at this time are 50 dollars a week X 4 or 5 weeks and you will get decent Comp per 10 day intervals usually 40 x 3 to have a meal.

You will also get the Slot and BJ tournament invites which are a bonus.

Once again be cautious and go slow. You can run multiple cards but you have to be slick playing machines that won't lock up which can be difficult to find over there. Best to just play your card and keep things small slowly milking them to fly under the radar. The Manager of Slots is actually brothers with a professional AP so they have both sides of the fence in the family and he knows all the tricks.

This place is best just to go for the minimums and you will have a small win and since your downtown you can move to other spots with less heat.

To summarize it might be best to keep your coin at 5000 to 10000 coin in per month to avoid problems. Perhaps even fluctuating your coin at random each month. You could have a month where you go nuts and put in 20 to 50k but after that maybe cool off for 2 or 3 months. This is one place where after 20 some odd years I got no mailed but fluctuating my other cards per month have worked out perfectly which is funny because they have the same address.

[monet]

2. The D

The mail will take a month or two to get rolling but once it does it can last a year or more before you need to play again.

My play has usually been around 10k to 12k total per card. I like to play the 2 dollar BP on a point day which is usually every couple months or so. After putting in this amount I get 20 to 25 dollars a week x 4 and 25 in food and a 2 night stay per card. This usually runs for a year or so. You might be able to pull the card to trick the computer into not thinking you took off the free play but after the recent upgrade in system change it is most likely showing up although I have never had a problem and I pull the card every time. You can still play the upstairs bar progressives at the quarter level and you can get over a 2% edge if you switch from the BP to the DD when the progressives are at the correct numbers. It isn't hard to get on that bank when the BP is over 100% and honestly you can play that game flat all day long switching back and forth. They also have another BP bank that gets over 100% at times beside the Sports Book. However years ago they got pretty upset and took everything out. You can find many progressive must hits and video reels if that is your thing.

[monet]

3. The 4 Queens

Even though they have downgraded many things this place is still a gem for Quarter or Dollar VP.

The mail will roll in slowly... it will take about 4 months for it to catch and this goes for Binions as well.

IMO I would say that your best play if you don't mind playing at the bar dealing with bartenders is the 10/6 DD at the dollar level. You will get the full points which will give you a .3/.7 % cash/comp ratio added to your 100% game. Some real tight players still like to play the DB at 16 dollars coin in for 1 point or even the JoB. If you really want to get aggressive you can play the 100 play that is 98.5% payback but you can get the coin in faster and the mail rolling.

The max you can get is 100 every two weeks and for locals you will get 100 comp added to your account every two months. They do have special months like this March where they only do Free Play and they give you the whole thing up front. You want to put in around 4000 to 8000 points to get things rolling at a decent level which will translate to either 32k/64k coin in or if your doing the 16 for 1 your going to be putting in 64k/128k.

You will get the tournament invites and the room invite along with the Super Bowl and New Years Eve if you can stand it. I for one don't like having to show up for two sessions of tournament play but it is worth it in the long run but it is something like a 5% chance to make the money. They do give you a free play offer if you show up for both sessions which is like 10 or 20 dollars. Usually you have a field of around 200 players with 10 spots paid.

A few other things I could mention but this will suffice and get you started.

[monet]

4. The Horseshoe or Binions

This place is similar to the 4 Queens but not nearly as many good games. You basically need about the same amount of coin in to max out the mail with the same type of comp/cash card.

I suppose the best play is the 8/5 BP with the full pay quad payouts. Be careful they have plenty of 8/5 BP with the wrong quad payout. So the best way to do it is to earn the 300 points to get the 3 swipes per day which is 2400 coin in. It was better when the swipe was glitched and you were getting 3 free swipes but they fixed that. It still is a small win and you will get plenty of free food and free play with your swipes and free gifts for you players who like that garbage. The card and the mail will put you over 100% and you really don't need to worry about heat from this place or the 4 queens. You can even pull the card out when you flop quads or better to hide your play but since your playing a losing game do you really need to... I say yes.

[redietz]

The information is much appreciated. Thanks for the wonderful summary. I haven't yet gotten a D card, so this is an opportunity.

[monet]

6. The Plaza

I haven't been in this place since the Tax Day promotion. My host retired and the place wasn't of much value to me anymore. You can still play the full pay games like Jokers but the card isn't worth much and the mail is a bit sour for me in general. I guess a new player might be able to generate better mail but for the most part it is over for me for the time being. That doesn't mean that I won't go back or that I didn't miss something recently with this place it just means I gave up on the place around the same time I gave up on the Golden Gate. Stand By for Station Identification on those two Casinos from me.

[monet]

5. Golden Gate

It seems they got smarter. For a long time I was getting a 12% kickback from my play over here. It probably still is worthwhile but I haven't played over here for a year. The last time I was playing I was playing the dollar 9/6 DD in the back besides Dupars, one night long ago I went in there to use my comp and they were shut down. I do miss that place, expensive coffee shop but good food and when your getting 50 dollar comps... well it works out. The last time I was putting in around 10k to 12k like at the D, my mail wasn't lasting very long. It would fall off pretty quick within 3 months. Things could be better or perhaps they were upset at me for hitting a few large royals totaling over 28k. Either way I got distracted with other plays like the Westgate and such and just let my play fall off at this Casino. Perhaps one day I will scout them out again in the future. The same goes for the Plaza after beating them up with the Double Royals and other promotions I haven't really been in the Casino but I will list them next anyway.

[monet]

7. Main Street Station

What can you say about Boyd. Nothing really great anymore. They still have Young at Heart but after getting APed to death from that promotion and fixing it after a few years of mistakes the mail is not very good. I still get 540 in FP per month but I put massive coin in for that currently and get 40 x 4 in food comp or 45 x 2. Not very easy to maintain though and since Boyd decided to combine all mail for all properties it is even more difficult. Main Street has some VP like 9/6 Jacks or other Progressives. If you want to play Full Pay DB with a cut card they still have it. The nice thing about Downtown Boyd is the Courtesy Comp. You don't have to put much play in and if your playing progressive Reels you only need around 2k per day to get a decent comp. Go nuts like me and put 20 to 100k in at Reels and you'll be dining anywhere downtown with Boyd and no matter what anyone says they have plenty of good places to eat downtown, more so at the California.

You still could get decent mail as a local putting in 10k to 20k per month. Nothing great... I mean but it will just be something small on top of your full pay games that your playing. The real trick is to play certain progressive machines and that will get your coin in to astronomical levels netting you a 5% edge and mail and plenty of food along with two packs of cigarettes per day/session. If you don't smoke you can sell them or give them to someone who does.

I did get some good information that they are going to be downsizing very soon getting rid of many old school employees and that machines could be getting downgraded in the near future. Just like any other corporation... getting rid of long term employees before retirement kicks in. Oh yes the Casino likes to do this sort of thing but don't cheat the Casino that would be unethical.

[kewlJ]

I will stop for now but I will start breaking down more and more Casinos very soon... This actually is a bit tiring to type out all this information and I am just getting started.

Why are you doing this? If there are people that want this info and you are willing to share, do it in private. I don't know if posting this kind of info publicly will make any casino think twice and tighten up anything. But it ISN'T going to make them loosen up anything. If some casino or casino exec(s) get nervous, any changes will be for the worse. I think you know that though. For some reason, you seem to be intentionally being a jerk.

You mentioned Boyd's Young at Heart program. Negative changes were made effective this month (February) so you may want to check that out.

[monet]

Why are you doing this? If there are people that want this info and you are willing to share, do it in private. I don't know if posting this kind of info publicly will make any casino think twice and tighten up anything. But it ISN'T going to make them loosen up anything. If some casino or casino exec(s) get nervous, any changes will be for the worse. I think you know that though. For some reason, you seem to be intentionally being a jerk.

You mentioned Boyd's Young at Heart program. Negative changes were made effective this month (February) so you may want to check that out.

jerk1
jərk/Submit
noun
1.
a quick, sharp, sudden movement.
"he gave a sudden jerk of his head"
synonyms: yank, tug, pull, wrench, tweak, twitch More
2.
informal
a contemptibly obnoxious person.

I suppose your are saying I am a contemptible obnoxious person. Fair Enough. This information isn't anything not known or especially not known by Casino Executives. Your a straight shooter so you should have no problem with release of any information since it is all fair and square and legal. If you really think some marketing executive is looking at my post and saying ok lets change our ways I think your completely wrong. If anything this is helping the casual gambler or maybe some player like ZenKing.

I am tired about talking about matters unrelated to AP or gambling. This is about Gambling and Mailers. This is real world information... not phony bologna BS that you all like to talk about like how the Wiz mistreated people.

I say post away. I'm surprised casinos think they can get customers coming up off such little value. These casinos need to step up their game.

Not everyone can go around hustling Aladdin or Indiana Jones... ok I miss Indiana Jones actually and the many other easy playable vision machines. Don't worry later down the road I will post about more profitable situations... give me some time.

KewlJ corrected me on the Young at Heart Promo and I have to admit that I haven't played it much since they downgraded the ability to generate the 50x/30x multipliers so perhaps it isn't good at all anymore but it doesn't matter. because a few VP machines and a bunch of Reel Machines are 1% to 12% winners depending and any point multiplier only helps matters. I thought he was only counting cards... yeah were counting cards. What is he doing swiping for young at heart... did that promo help out BJ players as well? If so I didn't know that since I really don't go in the Pit.

Edit: Contemptible... ok so this is another word for despicable. I guess you should of just called me a piece of shit like mcap did instead of beating around the bush making me look up college words. And you say that AxelWolf is a troll!? Coming in my thread which has real world gambling information calling me things like contemptible and obnoxious... not very nice... my feeling is hurt.

[kewlJ]

jerk1
jərk/Submit
noun
1.
a quick, sharp, sudden movement.
"he gave a sudden jerk of his head"
synonyms: yank, tug, pull, wrench, tweak, twitch More
2.
informal
a contemptibly obnoxious person.

I suppose your are saying I am a contemptible obnoxious person. Fair Enough.

This is proof that you are simply being a dick. To expand on your definition of 'jerk', I wouldn't be surprised if any definition included a picture of you.

This information isn't anything not known or especially not known by Casino Executives. Your a straight shooter so you should have no problem with release of any information since it is all fair and square and legal. If you really think some marketing executive is looking at my post and saying ok lets change our ways I think your completely wrong.

Look, I am not angry or anything. This is small stuff and I already stated I don't think you posting this will have much effect. But if it does, it will be negative. It will be that some misguided casino exec thinks (I have a hard time typing "casino exec" and "thinks") it will. There is no chance posting publicly has any positive effect, only negative. But again, I think that's what you desire.

If anything this is helping the casual gambler or maybe some player like ZenKing.

I am all for you helping players like ZenKing. I specifically PMed Axel and asked him to try to help ZenKing a little. (Not giving away anything major).

I thought he was only counting cards... yeah were counting cards. What is he doing swiping for young at heart... did that promo help out BJ players as well? If so I didn't know that since I really don't go in the Pit.

Well, maybe YOU don't know EVERYTHING! Yes, I personally have returned to mostly playing blackjack. That is what I am at heart. A blackjack card counter, a grinder, or to quote Grosjean...a "salamander".

BUT, I have a partner, (not my blackjack partner, but a machine partner) that handles all our machine play. It is very elementary stuff and fairly low level compared to you. Most of the EV comes from mailers. Vegas casinos have already cut back dramatically in the last year or so on mailer offers. I just don't think we need to tempt them to do so even more. But again, I know you don't care about us...you care about you!

I am not even near old enough for the Young at Heart, but my partner is. So we made it a point to stop by a Boyd property on Wednesdays. If nothing else, a free buffet (50 points earned). That is one of the benefits that disappeared.

[LA Gus]

I will stop for now but I will start breaking down more and more Casinos very soon... This actually is a bit tiring to type out all this information and I am just getting started.

Why are you doing this? If there are people that want this info and you are willing to share, do it in private. I don't know if post this kind of info publicly will make any casino think twice and tighten up anything. But it ISN'T going to make them loosen up anything. If some casino or casino exec(s) get nervous, any changes will be for the worse. I think you know that though. For some reason, you seem to be intentionally being a jerk.

You mentioned Boyd's Young at Heart program. Negative changes were made effective this month (February) so you may want to check that out.

I think this was a great idea. Since the Total rewards benefits are being trimmed down it’s good to know relevant data about current market conditions (offers). It seems like a logical thing to do.

[MaxPen]

I say post away. I'm surprised casinos think they can get customers coming up off such little value. These casinos need to step up their game.😀😛

[monet]

You don't have to be old enough for young at heart... you only need 80 people over a certain age willing to give you their players card. I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to. The title of this thread is Hot Sucker so I do not understand why you would be upset about anything a Hot Sucker is posting in the Hot Sucker Thread that the Hot Sucker created.

[kewlJ]

You don't have to be old enough for young at heart... you only need 80 people over a certain age willing to give you their players card.

Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.

You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[Bob21]

You don't have to be old enough for young at heart... you only need 80 people over a certain age willing to give you their players card.

Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.

You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

[monet]

Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.

You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

The top tier APs want to use the Forums as a Filter to get Drones to the PM system.
They prefer players who have no experience or knowledge for easier control and access.
Meet up and do some low level card churning.
Work your way up to be a team member or perhaps one day a leader/manager.
They don't want any plays posted publicly unless they do the posting.
I post want I want. I answer only to the Mrs.
However, I am the Captain of the Ship and I will sink it if I damn well choose.

[BoSox]

Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.

You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

Bob, should you not be following what bjanalyst is up to? My guess is that the thread is up to 800 pages by now. If you fall behind you will again be asking Mr analyst for another refresher update, but if you first wait for a few days first before asking, Don S will be back from vacation. While you are at it put in a few misspellings.

[Bob21]

Yet another thing that should not be said in public.



You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

Bob, should you not be following what bjanalyst is up to? My guess is that the thread is up to 800 pages by now. If you fall behind you will again be asking Mr analyst for another refresher update, but if you first wait for a few days first before asking, Don S will be back from vacation. While you are at it put in a few misspellings.

Good adivce Bosox! You’re reading my mind. No, I haven’t been keeping up as much as I should on the latest on that 800 page thread. I threw in some Carla comments here and there but that’s about it. I’m probably about four pages behind now.

I’ll probably do what you advise. Wait till Don is back from vacation and he goes on his rant about this post needs to STOP, STOP, STOP. Don still hasn’t figured out how to igonore a thread. Lol. I’ll then ask some naive question trying to get bjanalyst going again, and it doesn’t take much, to see Don come unglued again and call me names.

Btw, I found the exchange between ZenKing and Don pretty funny over on the other forum. Forget which one now. ZenKing called Don out and Don went on a F... rampage and then ZenKing doubled down by calling Don out again for using F bombs. You got to give ZenKing credit...he didn’t make down from Don and treat him like some God-like person, which is what everybody does over on BJTF. I wish ZenKing posted over here too. He would fit right in. Anybody who can take on Don, can handle anybody over here. Lol.

[kewlJ]

I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

I have been a part of a promotion that was cancelled mid-stream after someone posted information about it on a forum. There also was the incident at WoV, where Shackleford, if I am remembering correctly Shackleford posted how to be an upcoming promotion, right down to telling exactly what it was worth per hour to an AP. I didn't participate in that one, but didn't that promo get cut short or altered mid-stream as well?

Bob21, you are just flat out wrong about casino personnel not reading these forums. Dan Druff confirmed just last week that casino personnel read this little bity forum. For years, Stanford Wong let it be known that casino personnel were among the paid subscriptions to his forum.

I personally have had casino personnel wish me well after I posted on 2 forums about my heart surgery. I also have a pit friend at one of the strip casinos that reads, WoV and BJTF. (not here that I know of).