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  1. #201
    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    I don't see anything about it on their website. https://boulderstation.sclv.com/Prom...ing-Promotions
    So everything went well with the promotion.
    I was a little worried since the booth hardly had any information about it.
    They informed me that the offer came from corporate and only certain players had the offer.
    They couldn't see anything about the promotion.
    They told me if my free play didn't show up that I could bring in the post card in and they would correct the problem.
    Since the booth didn't have any information I was thinking they could tell me afterwards that certain games didn't apply.
    I have run into some problems like this before.
    Not this time though. 2600 in Free Play loaded on the day they promised.
    Plenty of Free Food and I expect mailers to get a large bump.
    I took a picture of the Free Play at 2250 since I didn't think about snapping a pic.
    Not sure I need to post it though.
    Hope they send more mailers like this in the future.

    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    Monet, are you really putting in 8-12 hours of play at single line $1 games at Arizona Charlie's or is there something else there that I've missed?

    Also, I really like Ron's Steakhouse. The peppercorn steak I got there was better than Hugo's.
    Not sure if I mentioned it but the games I was playing at AZ Charlies were moved to the Non Smoking Room.
    They put them isolated on the corners of a bank.
    At first I thought they just got rid of them but they still have 1, 2 and 5 dollar 8/5 BP with 7X points and good mailers.

    I am not sure about the Peppercorn Steak but I enjoy Hugo's far more than Ron's
    To be honest, I like the coffee shop at AZ Charlies better than Ron's but that doesn't mean I won't eat there when comped.
    Last edited by monet; 02-17-2019 at 10:34 PM.

  2. #202
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    You don't have to be old enough for young at heart... you only need 80 people over a certain age willing to give you their players card.
    Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.
    You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
    This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.

  3. #203
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.
    You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
    This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.
    The top tier APs want to use the Forums as a Filter to get Drones to the PM system.
    They prefer players who have no experience or knowledge for easier control and access.
    Meet up and do some low level card churning.
    Work your way up to be a team member or perhaps one day a leader/manager.
    They don't want any plays posted publicly unless they do the posting.
    I post want I want. I answer only to the Mrs.
    However, I am the Captain of the Ship and I will sink it if I damn well choose.
    Last edited by monet; 02-18-2019 at 09:52 AM.

  4. #204
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Yet another thing that should not be said in public.

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I care more about the gambling community as a whole compared to players like you and I think I am free to have a thread about mailers if I want to.
    You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
    This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.
    Bob, should you not be following what bjanalyst is up to? My guess is that the thread is up to 800 pages by now. If you fall behind you will again be asking Mr analyst for another refresher update, but if you first wait for a few days first before asking, Don S will be back from vacation. While you are at it put in a few misspellings.

  5. #205
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.
    I have been a part of a promotion that was cancelled mid-stream after someone posted information about it on a forum. There also was the incident at WoV, where Shackleford, if I am remembering correctly Shackleford posted how to be an upcoming promotion, right down to telling exactly what it was worth per hour to an AP. I didn't participate in that one, but didn't that promo get cut short or altered mid-stream as well?

    Bob21, you are just flat out wrong about casino personnel not reading these forums. Dan Druff confirmed just last week that casino personnel read this little bity forum. For years, Stanford Wong let it be known that casino personnel were among the paid subscriptions to his forum.

    I personally have had casino personnel wish me well after I posted on 2 forums about my heart surgery. I also have a pit friend at one of the strip casinos that reads, WoV and BJTF. (not here that I know of).

  6. #206
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.
    I have been a part of a promotion that was cancelled mid-stream after someone posted information about it on a forum. There also was the incident at WoV, where Shackleford, if I am remembering correctly Shackleford posted how to be an upcoming promotion, right down to telling exactly what it was worth per hour to an AP. I didn't participate in that one, but didn't that promo get cut short or altered mid-stream as well?

    Bob21, you are just flat out wrong about casino personnel not reading these forums. Dan Druff confirmed just last week that casino personnel read this little bity forum. For years, Stanford Wong let it be known that casino personnel were among the paid subscriptions to his forum.

    I personally have had casino personnel wish me well after I posted on 2 forums about my heart surgery. I also have a pit friend at one of the strip casinos that reads, WoV and BJTF. (not here that I know of).
    Okay then do agree with Bosox? He thinks you post too much information on these forums. It seems like someone is always calling out someone else for posting too much info.

    Btw, I get that some things posted on these forums will get to casinos and they will take counter measures. But I don’t think it’s as big of a problem as some people think. I could be wrong but that is my opinion.

  7. #207
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Yet another thing that should not be said in public.



    You are free to post what you want. You are doing it aren't you? But you DON'T care about the gambling community. You don't care about anyone but YOU! For whatever reason, you are intentionally trying to screw some of us. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
    This seems to be a common theme on these gambling sites, APs calling out other APs for posting too much information. Bosox thinks KewlJ is posting too much info, KewlJ thinks Monet is posting too much info. Everybody over at BTF thinks Zee posts too much info.

    I sometimes wonder what people think a gambling site is for? It’s not to post pictures of your kids and dogs and talk about what you bought for groceries over the weekend. It’s to share things about gambling and APing so we can learn from each. It’s also so we can insult each other when we have nothing better to do. Lol.

    The casino industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. They have many reasons they do various promotions, and they track the success of these promotions using data. I’m sure they’re aware that some promotions can be exploited by APs. However, the benefit for generating new business probably far out weights some small losses that occur from a couple APs.

    I can pretty much guarantee you the casino exes aren’t coming on these gambling sites to try to learn new AP moves or see how their promotions are being exploited. They have better things to do.
    Bob, should you not be following what bjanalyst is up to? My guess is that the thread is up to 800 pages by now. If you fall behind you will again be asking Mr analyst for another refresher update, but if you first wait for a few days first before asking, Don S will be back from vacation. While you are at it put in a few misspellings.
    Good adivce Bosox! You’re reading my mind. No, I haven’t been keeping up as much as I should on the latest on that 800 page thread. I threw in some Carla comments here and there but that’s about it. I’m probably about four pages behind now.

    I’ll probably do what you advise. Wait till Don is back from vacation and he goes on his rant about this post needs to STOP, STOP, STOP. Don still hasn’t figured out how to igonore a thread. Lol. I’ll then ask some naive question trying to get bjanalyst going again, and it doesn’t take much, to see Don come unglued again and call me names.

    Btw, I found the exchange between ZenKing and Don pretty funny over on the other forum. Forget which one now. ZenKing called Don out and Don went on a F... rampage and then ZenKing doubled down by calling Don out again for using F bombs. You got to give ZenKing credit...he didn’t make down from Don and treat him like some God-like person, which is what everybody does over on BJTF. I wish ZenKing posted over here too. He would fit right in. Anybody who can take on Don, can handle anybody over here. Lol.

  8. #208
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Okay then do agree with Bosox? He thinks you post too much information on these forums. It seems like someone is always calling out someone else for posting too much info.

    Btw, I get that some things posted on these forums will get to casinos and they will take counter measures. But I don’t think it’s as big of a problem as some people think. I could be wrong but that is my opinion.
    I would be a fool not to agree that I post too much (personal) information on these forums. Perhaps it was before your time, but I was involved in an robbery at gunpoint during my first year in VEgas, that occurred when I posted too much info about where I lived. I was young and excited about my first condo, and posted too much info. I know the robbery was related to my posting because of something the gunman said. So yeah....I am a bit of an idiot and post too much personal info.

    As for non=personal info, like the quote you pulled where I challenged Monet for posting too much info. I have sort of changed my mind on that. I think members have a right to post some info about different promos and plays, if they are sharing so that other members might benefit.

    I mean I am not going to be thrilled if some promo gets canceled or altered, but it is information about gambling play and that's what these forums are about. By the same token I am not going to thrilled if someone posts information about a good blackjack game in my rotation, saying such and such a place has over 90% penetration on their 6 deck game. Because that has happened to me too. And 2 days later penetration is down to 75%. I am not going to like it, I wouldn't spout off like I did in this quote you dug up.

    BUT, by the same token, you can take things too far. Shackleford, explaining a promo in such detail that it was altered or canceled is an example. That is just stupidity. Memory is a little foggy, but I think Dark Oz did something similar at WoV. In his case it was out of spite. He wasn't in town to play a promotion, so he exposed it getting it cancelled so no one else could play it, IIRC.

  9. #209
    And KJ that’s the trick. I have no issue saying I learned so many things on these forums that have made me money. Some of it publicly posted and others from relationships I have made from the forums. I also believe I have helped others that helped me by sharing stuff I found from being able to look for stuff based on my education from others. I have found promos at smaller casinos that seemed to provide opportunities that I would have never found without the things I learned.

    And I’m proud to thank those who enlightened me. Life is all about being able to listen and learn about things you don’t know about. I know I have been successful in multiple business ventures and have been able to live a good life from my hard work and ability to adapt in changing conditions. People like you KJ, Mickey, Axel and many others do it daily. And you deserve respect for it. Not kissing your ass like some of the crazies will say, but it’s earned respect. In your case it’s math, which it always is, hard work and common sense. The last 2 can’t be taught.

    As for what to share, I guess it’s personal decision. But it’s obvious the opportunistic among us will take advantage and the skeptics will argue and miss the opportunity. And I will throw Monet out there as someone who has also put incredible info out there that is helpful, even if it hurt others. But that’s where this debate started.

  10. #210
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    And I’m proud to thank those who enlightened me. Life is all about being able to listen and learn about things you don’t know about. I know I have been successful in multiple business ventures and have been able to live a good life from my hard work and ability to adapt in changing conditions. People like you KJ, Mickey, Axel and many others do it daily. And you deserve respect for it. Not kissing your ass like some of the crazies will say, but it’s earned respect. In your case it’s math, which it always is, hard work and common sense. The last 2 can’t be taught.
    I am embarrassed reading your kind words, Boz. But I feel I must correct the record because it is not fair to those mentioned for me not to. I am not in an AP class with the likes of Mickeycrimm, back-stabbing Axel, Monet, and I would add RS_ and MaxPen. I hope I am not forgetting anyone. JBJB?? I don't really know exactly what he does. I know he is involved in team holecarding. I don't know what he does as far as machines.

    But as far as machine play goes, those mentioned are real AP's. That is real talent to look at different machines and know or figure where the advantage is. I can't do that. Far above my grade. What little machine play I did, for about 7 years, was the bottom of the barrel, most elementary stuff. I put through a certain amount of coin-in on slightly negative EV machines to generate mailer offers that made the whole play +EV. No figuring anything out. It was the disproportional mailer offers in Vegas that enabled the play to be +EV.

    This accounted for about 20% of my EV and total win over those 7 years, but Vegas has been tightening up it's mailer offers to locals for a couple years now, so this opportunity was already dwindling for me, even before my partner passed away last year (he handled most of this play). With him gone and the offers continuing to dry up, I am all but out of that and back to my blackjack roots. I am currently playing through just a small amount at a couple local casinos (chains) to generate very small offers, including food offers for my brother and I. I will be happy if the whole play breaks even and continues to generate some free meals for us.

    So I am a one trick pony, blackjack card counter. A salamander according to the great one. I consider myself part of the AP family, but I am really several rungs lower on the ladder than those mentioned. They are the real deal. What I do (card counting) could dry up in the next 5 years. I don't think it will, but it could...and I'd be shit out of luck. But these guys can and will adapt to new games, new opportunities. They are the real advantage players.

  11. #211
    In thinking about the Guys mentioned, there are very differences among them as well.

    Mickey I would call a grinder, a machine player grinder. I hope he doesn't take offense at that. He is very happy to travel around hitting plays for $50, $60, $100, $150 at a time. He seems to enjoy the travel and the solitude. Not my cup of tea, but he seems to really thrive with it.

    Monet: I don't think I am spilling any beans to call him a high stakes player, since he has shown the mailers, and amounts that he gets.

    I am not going to speak for (naming) the other 3 as it is not my place, but one is a team leader or manager I believe. And one has a job I believe, so he is I guess a part-time AP. THAT makes him the smartest of the whole bunch of us. Different paths. Same destination.

  12. #212
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I put through a certain amount of coin-in on slightly negative EV machines to generate mailer offers that made the whole play +EV. No figuring anything out. It was the disproportional mailer offers in Vegas that enabled the play to be +EV.
    I think I will take this opportunity to expand on this. If you are starting out with a slightly -EV game, there has to be something that turns the game +EV for it to be a longterm winner and for you to show a long-term profit. In this case, I clearly explained just what it was that allowed me to turn my slightly -EV play to +EV play where I could show a longterm profit. It was the mailer. The mailer offers was greater than the expected loss from the slightly -EV play through.

    There are other things that can do it, possibly just playing a point multiplier, is the initial disadvantage is small enough. BUT there has to be something!

    I mean we have a guy on this site, claiming to play -EV games and has made millions doing so. But he can't and won't explain anything he does that changes the game to +EV.

    He talks about progressive betting. Mathematical fact: Progressive betting, or any betting pattern can not change a -EV game to +EV.

    He talks about stop limts, loss limits and win limits. Mathematical fact: Stop, loss, win limits can not change a -EV game to a +EV game. (all it does is slightly change the short-term distribution).

    He talks about "special plays" and "soft profits". Clever catch words. No meaning. Complete voodoo. Can't change -EV to +EV.

    Maybe he has some lucky rabbits foot round his neck, or some lucky charms in his pocket....but there is nothing mathematical that is going to account for winning millions of dollars playing a -EV game.

    Ok, back to your original programming.

  13. #213
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I put through a certain amount of coin-in on slightly negative EV machines to generate mailer offers that made the whole play +EV. No figuring anything out. It was the disproportional mailer offers in Vegas that enabled the play to be +EV.
    I think I will take this opportunity to expand on this. If you are starting out with a slightly -EV game, there has to be something that turns the game +EV for it to be a longterm winner and for you to show a long-term profit. In this case, I clearly explained just what it was that allowed me to turn my slightly -EV play to +EV play where I could show a longterm profit. It was the mailer. The mailer offers was greater than the expected loss from the slightly -EV play through.

    There are other things that can do it, possibly just playing a point multiplier, is the initial disadvantage is small enough. BUT there has to be something!

    I mean we have a guy on this site, claiming to play -EV games and has made millions doing so. But he can't and won't explain anything he does that changes the game to +EV.

    He talks about progressive betting. Mathematical fact: Progressive betting, or any betting pattern can not change a -EV game to +EV.

    He talks about stop limts, loss limits and win limits. Mathematical fact: Stop, loss, win limits can not change a -EV game to a +EV game. (all it does is slightly change the short-term distribution).

    He talks about "special plays" and "soft profits". Clever catch words. No meaning. Complete voodoo. Can't change -EV to +EV.

    Maybe he has some lucky rabbits foot round his neck, or some lucky charms in his pocket....but there is nothing mathematical that is going to account for winning millions of dollars playing a -EV game.

    Ok, back to your original programming.

    KewlJ, all valid points that I totally agree with. But I still think someone can win playing negative EV games. It's called being on the extreme side of the standard deviation curve. It's no different than someone winning the lottery. Lottery is a negative EV game, but in someone's lifetime, for some lucky person, they can win millions and die a millionary. If they lived to infinity, then yes, even that lucky person who won a multi-million dollar lottery would eventually go broke. So in the very long term - beyond one's lifespan - it's negative EV. But in someone's lifetime they can win a lot of money in a negative EV game and die a millionary. This is why people play the lottery. Their thinking is someone has got to win, so why not me?

    The same is true with casinos and their negative EV games. The fact is there are some people winning over their lifespan playing like a ploppy. It's a very small percent of people, but it does occur.

  14. #214
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I put through a certain amount of coin-in on slightly negative EV machines to generate mailer offers that made the whole play +EV. No figuring anything out. It was the disproportional mailer offers in Vegas that enabled the play to be +EV.
    I think I will take this opportunity to expand on this. If you are starting out with a slightly -EV game, there has to be something that turns the game +EV for it to be a longterm winner and for you to show a long-term profit. In this case, I clearly explained just what it was that allowed me to turn my slightly -EV play to +EV play where I could show a longterm profit. It was the mailer. The mailer offers was greater than the expected loss from the slightly -EV play through.

    There are other things that can do it, possibly just playing a point multiplier, is the initial disadvantage is small enough. BUT there has to be something!

    I mean we have a guy on this site, claiming to play -EV games and has made millions doing so. But he can't and won't explain anything he does that changes the game to +EV.

    He talks about progressive betting. Mathematical fact: Progressive betting, or any betting pattern can not change a -EV game to +EV.

    He talks about stop limts, loss limits and win limits. Mathematical fact: Stop, loss, win limits can not change a -EV game to a +EV game. (all it does is slightly change the short-term distribution).

    He talks about "special plays" and "soft profits". Clever catch words. No meaning. Complete voodoo. Can't change -EV to +EV.

    Maybe he has some lucky rabbits foot round his neck, or some lucky charms in his pocket....but there is nothing mathematical that is going to account for winning millions of dollars playing a -EV game.

    Ok, back to your original programming.

    KewlJ, all valid points that I totally agree with. But I still think someone can win playing negative EV games. It's called being on the extreme side of the standard deviation curve. It's no different than someone winning the lottery. Lottery is a negative EV game, but in someone's lifetime, for some lucky person, they can win millions and die a millionary. If they lived to infinity, then yes, even that lucky person who won a multi-million dollar lottery would eventually go broke. So in the very long term - beyond one's lifespan - it's negative EV. But in someone's lifetime they can win a lot of money in a negative EV game and die a millionary. This is why people play the lottery. Their thinking is someone has got to win, so why not me?

    The same is true with casinos and their negative EV games. The fact is there are some people winning over their lifespan playing like a ploppy. It's a very small percent of people, but it does occur.
    The main difference is Singer didn't hit some fluke jackpot and his results are mathematically impossible to achieve at the stakes and total amounts he played. He tries to account for this by creating new terminology, i.e. "soft profits" (what a hoot) and "special plays" (special Ed maybe)
    Eyeroll, because Moses likes it.

  15. #215
    Anyway you slice it, a 30 something year old guy threatening to beat up a 70 year old guy is sick, demented, pussified, classless, whatever you want to call it. I don't care how much money he makes either on the job or in a casino.

    But you guys proceed with the little idolization thing you got going on here. I guess we all need our heroes.

  16. #216
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Anyway you slice it, a 30 something year old guy threatening to beat up a 70 year old guy is sick, demented, pussified, classless, whatever you want to call it. I don't care how much money he makes either on the job or in a casino.

    But you guys proceed with the little idolization thing you got going on here. I guess we all need our heroes.

    Idolization? Ok you can call it that. To me it about business, making money and common sense. Anyone interested in any topic should do their best to learn everything they can about said topic. And then use the skills you have to research and figure out what makes sense and what doesn’t. Certain people have the intelligence to do just that and why they make money with most things they do. Other struggle through life dreaming about making money while buying extended warranties.

    I consider myself smart enough to be able to determine what makes sense and what is BS and then make money from it. And I’m not too proud to admit it and Thank others who made it possible. So you, like Singer can it hero worship, but I just call it common business sense. Because in my world, you never have enough money or knowledge l

  17. #217
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Idolization? Ok you can call it that. To me it about business, making money and common sense. Anyone interested in any topic should do their best to learn everything they can about said topic. And then use the skills you have to research and figure out what makes sense and what doesn’t. Certain people have the intelligence to do just that and why they make money with most things they do. Other struggle through life dreaming about making money while buying extended warranties.
    Well put.

    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I consider myself smart enough to be able to determine what makes sense and what is BS and then make money from it. And I’m not too proud to admit it and Thank others who made it possible. So you, like Singer can it hero worship, but I just call it common business sense. Because in my world, you never have enough money or knowledge l
    Actually, there is a point where you have enough money. Unless you've found a way to take it with you. The only one I worship sort of taught me that lesson. Guess you could say I learned it the hard way.

  18. #218
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I put through a certain amount of coin-in on slightly negative EV machines to generate mailer offers that made the whole play +EV. No figuring anything out. It was the disproportional mailer offers in Vegas that enabled the play to be +EV.
    I think I will take this opportunity to expand on this. If you are starting out with a slightly -EV game, there has to be something that turns the game +EV for it to be a longterm winner and for you to show a long-term profit. In this case, I clearly explained just what it was that allowed me to turn my slightly -EV play to +EV play where I could show a longterm profit. It was the mailer. The mailer offers was greater than the expected loss from the slightly -EV play through.

    There are other things that can do it, possibly just playing a point multiplier, is the initial disadvantage is small enough. BUT there has to be something!

    I mean we have a guy on this site, claiming to play -EV games and has made millions doing so. But he can't and won't explain anything he does that changes the game to +EV.

    He talks about progressive betting. Mathematical fact: Progressive betting, or any betting pattern can not change a -EV game to +EV.

    He talks about stop limts, loss limits and win limits. Mathematical fact: Stop, loss, win limits can not change a -EV game to a +EV game. (all it does is slightly change the short-term distribution).

    He talks about "special plays" and "soft profits". Clever catch words. No meaning. Complete voodoo. Can't change -EV to +EV.

    Maybe he has some lucky rabbits foot round his neck, or some lucky charms in his pocket....but there is nothing mathematical that is going to account for winning millions of dollars playing a -EV game.

    Ok, back to your original programming.

    Why tell them the truth? We cannot have any fun if you do that.

  19. #219
    Moses wrote:

    "Actually, there is a point where you have enough money. Unless you've found a way to take it with you. The only one I worship sort of taught me that lesson. Guess you could say I learned it the hard way."

    Nice post. It is not about how much you have, but, how much you need.


    Side note: something is still wrong with the site server, as for one thing, would not allow me to reply with quote

  20. #220
    Moses wrote:

    "Anyway you slice it, a 30 something year old guy threatening to beat up a 70 year old guy is sick, demented, pussified, classless, whatever you want to call it. I don't care how much money he makes either on the job or in a casino."

    Moses, don't you see that all it is, is someone letting off some steam and frustration. You tend to do it yourself you know. Lord, he is just fully recouperating from open heart surgery.

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