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  1. #41
    Yes, the lad seems to have issues with impulse control, snarkiness, peevishness and frustration.

    Perhaps when he hits puberty and his balls drop things will improve.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #42
    all the above laced with a pervasive hysteria that this board will flame into ashes if his wishes arent met.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    the Main Street are the same people but the machines are set at a much more difficult setting to be able to get the advantage. It is pretty amazing the difference between the same company but 3 different properties. The Fremont is truly one of the last great Slots of Fun! It will help you very much if your Asian or Hawaiian... they love to cater to them!
    Yes I remember that Main Street Station has a very large Hawaiian customer representation. I think they have a deal with Hawaiian Airlines. Every time I have been there, it is filled with Hawaiian patrons.

  4. #44
    Monet, I never said the information you’re posting isn’t accurate or you’re a phony AP. AFAIK, it all seems to line up with what offers I’ve gotten and know that others have gotten. I don’t play downtown but have heard information similar to what you’re saying.

    You’re the one that said you hustle other people and shit. I didn’t say you were using comps and giving people stuff to “set them up” to scam them. I’m not accusing you of anything, but you admitted it yourself that you hustle people. But you do bring up an excellent point — why would someone who (appears to be) set on hustling and fucking people over give something away for free? So I’ll ask again: Why do you hustle other people or have this idea in your head that everyone is like that?

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Yes, the lad seems to have issues with impulse control, snarkiness, peevishness and frustration.

    Perhaps when he hits puberty and his balls drop things will improve.
    Shackleford, and supporters of said Shackleford?
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  6. #46
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Monet, I never said the information you’re posting isn’t accurate or you’re a phony AP. AFAIK, it all seems to line up with what offers I’ve gotten and know that others have gotten. I don’t play downtown but have heard information similar to what you’re saying.

    You’re the one that said you hustle other people and shit. I didn’t say you were using comps and giving people stuff to “set them up” to scam them. I’m not accusing you of anything, but you admitted it yourself that you hustle people. But you do bring up an excellent point — why would someone who (appears to be) set on hustling and fucking people over give something away for free? So I’ll ask again: Why do you hustle other people or have this idea in your head that everyone is like that?
    It isn't fun having to walk you through this step by step but what the hey...

    You just clearly started to attack me in a few posts. No big deal. You are more educated and a sharper individual when compared to me. I think, technically, I have a 9th grade education. The problem that you seem to have, is one that ZenKing discussed a few times on WoV, about how people have trouble reading and comprehending these days. He went a little further and explained that people hardly are able to stay focused long enough to finish reading a paragraph. I have to completely agree with him. My education stems from reading books and the cinema. It is clear that you did not really read my long winded posts before or perhaps you may have just glazed over them. There is a point of longer posts to help lull my readers to sleep. You may be dozing off as you are trying to filter through this response.

    You clearly misinterpreted what I was saying about Hustling and about how Con Men or Confidence Men or Hustlers know that the best Con is to Con someone who is wise. You may never have watched the movie: The Grifters... with Huston, Cusack and Bening but that line that I interwove within my post was the reference that you missed or misunderstood. It also does not matter about hustling people compared to hustling Corporations. Hustling is Hustling just like Lies are Lies... there is no such thing as a white lie and Stealing is Stealing. If you don't want to believe that simple truth by all means don't.

    I for one am the type of person who will never forget where I came from. I do not care about what I have or how high on the ladder I have climbed. I try to keep it very simple. I lied, cheated and stole my way through life. It does not matter if the last decade has been one of a more honest nature. Just because I steal only from Casinos now or perhaps other Corporations I am no better than the person out there robbing banks and killing people. Unless I am going to completely change my life and do a complete 180 it will not matter in the end if I do a 90 degree turn instead. It is either an all or nothing endeavor.

    You will never understand what I am saying or my way of thinking. Your a bit more crass compared to me. I hardly use profanity in my day to day endeavors. I don't tell the Vultures or Bums of the world to F off. As a matter of fact if someone approaches me telling me they are working certain machines I very well will break them off some dough making a deal with them. However, in my case I am out at hours when the city is empty for the most part and I don't really have that problem because I don't work the Strip like others and perhaps even yourself... you seem like a guy on the strip compared to someone like me who is downtown or on the outskirts.

    I know that you do not have all your answers from this post but I think I have been more than fair.
    Last edited by monet; 02-20-2018 at 07:59 PM.

  7. #47
    for some people their education exceeds their intelligence.

  8. #48
    Monet I didn’t attack you. I’m just surprised people would want to meet you after reading the stuff you’ve posted. Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re saying and you’re not actually scamming or hustling people, you just say that stuff for whatever reason.

    Before you made it seem like hustling people was a thing you did and do. Now it seems you’re going back on that.

    I don’t care if you’re a perfect angel and only do things 100% by the book or if you’re jamming light wands in coin droppers or using shaved coins. There’s a line I will cross and a line I won’t cross, just like most people. Don’t assume because there’s a line we won’t cross that we think less of you. I don’t give a shit what you do in a casino.

    My only problems are when it comes to hustling other people and scamming them, especially honest people who don’t deserve it. If you’re scamming a scammer, IDGAF.

    It’s also bothersome when people are posting up plays, no matter how good or bad they are. I don’t want my plays exposed and I don’t want other people’s plays exposed to the public. I know I’m a bigger fish than some APs and it isn’t fair for me to ruin their plays, just like I’m a smaller fish compared to other APs - it isn’t fair for them to ruin mine just because (to them) “it’s a bad/shit play”. Publicly giving out your own plays, at least to me, is completely ridiculous. Why sabotage yourself and others?


    10 people with $10k each playing together can make way more money than 10 people with $10k each playing independently. It’s not even worthy of debate and is astounding someone would disagree.

  9. #49
    I dont speak for him.....but I am thinking that if all the APs "steal" or "have stolen" in some manner.....they are in no position to cry foul when someone talks about a "play"

    I have read some APs talk about the old days when they were able to steal coins reaching under. And at least one of those folks is a leader in barking at someone for giving out too much info.

    I am sure there are activities that I am not even aware of. Although those stories are fascinating, no one banishes those folks from message boards as being a thief.
    You can go on wov and talk about stealing coins in the old days and they will glad hand you. If you supposedly welsh on a bet with a board member, they will nuke you.

    a double standard of thievery acceptance.

  10. #50
    I think, at times, what seems to be happening is the cheating or scamming is being thought of in different contexts, at least by me. Saying cheat or scamming on legal plays and that everyone does it is like saying advantage couponing or credit card churning is a scam or cheating. I mean, I guess if you want to think of it in that context I don’t disagree, I just disagree with the terminology. For me cheating when talking about gaming is specifically thought of as something illegal, and only things that are illegal. And some of those things that were legal 20 years ago are not now, etc.

    And saying the last 10 years you’ve lived a really honest life, that’s kind of an interesting thing about people who don’t have much of anything or a clear path but have some drive, it can be a very good thing to have that hunger, or sometimes it can make people who are generally good be untrustworthy (at that time), you just never know. This Monet guy sure is a thought provoking character though, that’s for sure.

  11. #51
    A friend of mine who lived in Ohio used to have a friend of his who lived in Las Vegas run off his freeplay every week for a percentage. I guess you could call that cheating.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A friend of mine who lived in Ohio used to have a friend of his who lived in Las Vegas run off his freeplay every week for a percentage. I guess you could call that cheating.
    Finally... a Reel Professional Chiming in! Nice to hear from you MC.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    It’s also bothersome when people are posting up plays, no matter how good or bad they are. I don’t want my plays exposed and I don’t want other people’s plays exposed to the public. I know I’m a bigger fish than some APs and it isn’t fair for me to ruin their plays, just like I’m a smaller fish compared to other APs - it isn’t fair for them to ruin mine just because (to them) “it’s a bad/shit play”. Publicly giving out your own plays, at least to me, is completely ridiculous. Why sabotage yourself and others?
    They are not YOUR plays. It is not YOUR casino. This is not YOUR world. YOUR not Steve Wynn... YOU don't own Las Vegas and all that is in it. This is not YOUR forum. As far as I understand it is open to the public and all that is needed to silence me is for the owner to say the word or like the Wiz... ban me for life! I have the same problem with the box men or floor when I have been on big runs or been with a friend winning hundreds of thousands of dollars. They act as if that is THEIR money. It isn't! I just love it when the floor or box men joke to each other about how it is a good thing these guys weren't betting any money on this long roll. GFY's Casino Employees saying that garbage in ear shot of us players!! Same goes for those Mother F'ers talking to each other about how they got stiffed or that guy only tipped me 5 dollars! Those Employees can go F themselves as well!

    Let me tell you something or tell all of you something. I have put millions and millions of dollars through these machines to get this information and I am allowed to do whatever I want with that information. I think I have earned that right. It is just like the Casino trying to tell me whats what!? I know the system. I know what can and can't be done. Now I don't know everything that is for sure but I know enough.
    Last edited by monet; 02-21-2018 at 03:58 AM.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A friend of mine who lived in Ohio used to have a friend of his who lived in Las Vegas run off his freeplay every week for a percentage. I guess you could call that cheating.
    Finally... a Reel Professional Chiming in! Nice to hear from you MC.
    I started out as a credit hustler in 1992 so I try not to be too judgemental of others in regards to doing underhanded things. Once I acquired a bankroll I knocked off all the bullshit simply because I thought it detrimental to my career as far as holding casinos goes.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I started out as a credit hustler in 1992 so I try not to be too judgemental of others in regards to doing underhanded things. Once I acquired a bankroll I knocked off all the bullshit simply because I thought it detrimental to my career as far as holding casinos goes.
    I completely understand. Those guys at WoV and the Wiz himself like to call people like us Credit Trolls. I do not expect that from someone who preaches all that morality over there. Anyways, when I see a blinking light or a ticket on the machine you better believe I'm taking it as I pull out my bankroll to play some game. I have only had one problem in 96 when at the Flamingo they set us guys up with the blinking light right beside the security desk. Of course I was in my early twenties so what the F did I know. No big deal... they take your ID and say your not allowed here. I think it lasts for 6 months but I was back in a few days with never another problem.

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    11. Club Fortune

    This place was amazing before the owner got mad and threw all the APs out years ago. They tried to take all their free play away but got refuted on that so what did they do? They decided to cap the FP at a small amount per day so these guys that had thousands in FP had to come in every day for months to get it off. I never got too greedy or thrown out so I was still playing years later and they had good double royal promotions and other things going on. Later down the road the owner sold it to some corporate entity who now has a hold of it and things have changed. They used to have this game I would play over there that was 9/6 BnsPkrDlx at the quarter level. It was Multi Strike and after the place was sold and I lost 6500 one night I came back a few days later. Well the pink sign was changed to a brand new black one and that game was downgraded. I joke all the time that I bought them that new sign.

    Anyways mail used to be really good over here and if you let your play fall off for 6 months they would send you a huge offer for the summer months without even putting any coin in. That seemed to have stopped though and the mail in general was getting worse and worse. I gave up on the place a year or so ago give or take a few months. The last time I was over there playing on a drawing/point day I had this guy sitting next to me playing pretty decent denomination and he was constantly pulling the card every flop or every other flop. I said something like you might want to cool it. I mean I understand and all but geesh your being really aggressive, perhaps too aggressive. He was decent about it and took it in stride. We talked a little bit and he said that this is how you get the max mailers!! I said I know but these places are getting hipper to this and you might only want to pull the card on big hands. Anyways, I get it but goodness showing a 50% or greater loss all the time he he that's rich. I suppose he has a point though since it is computer generated for the most part.

    I am sure they still have things that you can play and get some mail going over there. They like to send Free Bets for BJ as well and the food is decent to me so there is that. The last time I was in the pit I had the boss try to coax me into playing after my 50 dollar match play and I was like no... no thank you. He got all uppity saying that he didn't understand why they mail us guys these offers since we never play anything but the Match Play. Of course I had to stick the needle in him a bit. I told him it is very simple. Players like me play hundreds of thousands of dollars over there on those machines and some months we are losing tens of thousands to your fine establishment here and as a courtesy your marketing department likes to give us a few match plays to say thanks for your business and maybe some of you will fall into the pit for longer periods of time. However some of us, like myself do not enjoy playing in the Pit and I prefer the solitude of those machines over there.
    Last edited by monet; 02-21-2018 at 03:57 AM.

  16. #56
    12. The California

    Let us go back downtown starting with the California... The place is decent. I haven't played the double bonus game that gives full points for over a year now but the last time I was down there I seen someone hammering as fast as they could on the dollars so it must still be live. This information is on VPfree2 anyway and if it isn't anymore it used to be but I haven't looked at that site for a long time. They also have other progressive banks and enough point days to make things worth while. The older Reels can be worth it but your better off going to the Fremont since these Reels have a much worse variance and payback percentage.

    As I have said before... Boyd has combined all mail so you decide where you want to play with them. Some players like to only play the VP progressives when high enough and they get the phone call. Sorta like over at Sams Town they have this half dollar 7/5 bank and 9/5 bank on the opposite side that gets to 6k at times. You can betcha that everyone is hammering away. Of course you only need 4k to get positive. Anyways you get the gist... shop around. Monkey See Monkey Do. Even if it is just for banggers... everyone is doing it. Your not going to get great mail with these guys but you will get something and if you get crazy you can get 60/65 FP per period which is usually 4 to 8 intervals.

    The nice thing about the Cal is the Redwood Steakhouse. Really good food IMO and a nice ambiance. Well lit but not bright and I enjoy the decor with the Hawaiian theme. They also have the Noodle House which is Asian Infusion and very good as well. Try the Oxtail Stew. You could just coffee shop it up if you like. Many people like their Oxtail Soup but I don't enjoy that one... much better at the Fremont Lanai Express IMO once again.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I started out as a credit hustler in 1992 so I try not to be too judgemental of others in regards to doing underhanded things. Once I acquired a bankroll I knocked off all the bullshit simply because I thought it detrimental to my career as far as holding casinos goes.
    I completely understand. Those guys at WoV and the Wiz himself like to call people like us Credit Trolls. I do not expect that from someone who preaches all that morality over there. Anyways, when I see a blinking light or a ticket on the machine you better believe I'm taking it as I pull out my bankroll to play some game. I have only had one problem in 96 when at the Flamingo they set us guys up with the blinking light right beside the security desk. Of course I was in my early twenties so what the F did I know. No big deal... they take your ID and say your not allowed here. I think it lasts for 6 months but I was back in a few days with never another problem.
    Since I started going out of state last year I've seen that credit hustling is alive and well. I see guys slipping tickets into machines that have odd credits left on them. A lot of ploppies will just get up and leave 35 or 40 cents on a machine. I seen one credit hustler walk up and hit the cashout button on a machine. I remembered when I was doing it I was looking for certain buttons to be lit. With a lot of these new machines you just have to look for the cashout button to be lit to know there are credits on it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #58
    13. The Fremont

    Gosh my favorite. It is just so darn easy over here. They love you very long time if you just have a little bit of patience. They fixed some things like the 2 dollar machine giving double points which is funny cause it was only one machine and it wouldn't work on dollars and it wouldn't work on 5 dollars but damn if it didn't work at the 2 dollar level. Honestly if my information is correct this is the place where Mr. Kane found the double up glitch. Anyways the point is go to this place and look around. Try to figure it out on your own. It isn't that difficult. I could show you the exact road map but geesh that is pushing the limits which is what you tend to do in this lifestyle. The tendency is to push it as far as you can... to quote Hunter S. Thompson. You don't need much coin in to get a comp for yourself or a pack of smokes. Damn they are friendly. Some APs got caught swiping card after card on promotion days but they just got sloppy... it happens... you can't always be sharp as a razor but IMO most of these guys really didn't make an effort.

    Anyways plenty to play over here from Reels to VP... I'll tell you one thing that is for sure. If your dead set on playing the regular blazing sevens they fixed them long ago. This doesn't mean you can't beat them but you might want to wait for 3k or better. You can start at 2k or even 2700 but the variance on these machines are not enjoyable. It is not very difficult to get stuck 3 or 4 grand on them. You have much better opportunities for easier plays here. The last two times I played the regular sevens one was at 3200 which was a complete fluke. They told me that they pushed that meter over but IMO that extra money was dumped in from some closed down machine although I could be wrong. Anyways the session went like this... up 600 in a blink... lose 1200 in a blink after that... back to even... down 1700 just a short time later and after that Jackpot... no fun... trust me on that one. The other time it was just over 2k starting point. I know it's not good...break even at best but sometimes I like to mess with things like this to keep my play looking erratic. Session basically was amazing for the start... I was up over a grand for a long time something like 2 hours and that is a personal record since the downgrade years ago. I was having a hard time believing it. Don't worry I got stuck 1500 and after that hit the Jackpot for a 500 dollar profit. I got out alive that time but I have been on those evil machines starting over 2700 down 4k before hitting 2900 and deciding to leave down 4k... cursing myself for playing that version. It is a very bad version over there. Even the scary Circus Circus has less variant Blazing Sevens and they aren't fun either. The Palms had the best forever but when Stations moved them and sliced the bank apart they got fixed. Who knows if they will even put them back up when the remodeling is finished.

    Ok so this machine used to be all over the place and it really is one of the last in the world from what I know. It is a 1 dollar 2 coin Reel named Black Gold and it has single, double, triple bars with Jackpot on them. Only one machine and it starts at 5k. Everyone who knows this game knows that in years past when this game was popular the starting point was basically 25k and they would rock around the clock until they hit it. Two times in the last few years this machine has been at 22k to 25k and I hammered away many a point days... sometimes for 72 hours or more taking cat naps in the room. Needless to say I never put the proper amount of time in required and since I'm a scum bag who doesn't have a team or belong to a team I really couldn't put anyone on it. It didn't matter to me anyways. It is hard to get buried in this game. The swings are not as erratic as you might think. Honestly to me it is ok to play as long as you are playing at the correct entry point. Now it is better to be able to 8-8-8 it until you lock it up but sometimes, for me, I don't have that option.

    Don't forget they have the very dangerous 1,2 and 5 dollar Triple Bonus Poker Plus which is a positive on point days or even with just your 3x card if you enjoy wild variance.
    Last edited by monet; 02-21-2018 at 06:03 AM.

  19. #59
    Ending on 13 for now... I think that sorta completes downtown... Golden Nugget not very fun but some useful information can be taken away from my experiences and I will list them as 14 later on. I can tell you as I did before they have a 1 dollar 2 coin machine that is a DD variation that starts at 12.5k with a meter that is frozen at 160,450.00 or is it 165,410.00 --- either way whatever it is it is stuck in the 160k range but get your parachute out and enjoy the jump!!

    I do have an update for the Fiesta Henderson for a Reel Play... the Jackpot is now over 11k that starts from 5k. The machine was free but I was too tired to pursue. Don't worry I love it at the Fiesta Henderson... I'm going back. Perfect place to spend the afternoon until your best friend sneaks around you back and Screws You!!

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Before you made it seem like hustling people was a thing you did and do. Now it seems you’re going back on that.
    If you are able to quote me about how I said I was personally hustling people or that I hustle people currently I would like to re-read where I posted that. It is possible I was saying something like that but I don't remember. The thing I remember was talking about how all hustlers know that the real hustle is to hustle the hustler or the person who is wise and like I said before that is from the movie the Grifters.

    Now it is clear I have talked about stealing from work places, stealing from poker rooms, stealing from casinos, stealing from malls, stealing from Albertsons and many other establishments like this. I haven't gotten into stealing from individuals directly much in my life. Sure a few times... father who had that coming for beating me a few times when I was in my early youth (5 - 8 yrs old) and I wasn't able to defend. Sure a spanking is in order but not black eyes he he but I tell the truth, I have never loved a man more on God's green Earth. My father may have been a lousy person, drunk, bum, war hero/veteran and an all around mean guy but damn if he isn't my favorite buddy to be around if he was still alive that is. It wasn't his fault he had that PTSD from that war... that would mess anyone up and for the most part he did better than most would or could.

    A friend once when I was really young but we squashed that issue and I payed him back a hundred fold.

    It is clear that you have the wrong impression of me and that you have assumed too much without the proper information but if you do find those posts I would like to read them and explain them.
    Last edited by monet; 02-21-2018 at 04:57 AM.

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