Here is an example of tactics that some AP crews go about business. You can read this post and make your own decisions and decide if you think this is proper conduct or improper conduct. I have heard members and I have read posts and had real world discussions with a leader of crews in Vegas who used to be very active on these gambling boards. This person will tell you it is a grey area because gaming doesn't consider it illegal. This person will also tell you how they believe in many shades of grey. Many people believe in drawing different lines or that we have many shades of grey in the gaming world or in life. I am of the mind set that it is either black or white. Things are either right or wrong and it does not matter about some technicality that they will justify their actions over another. In my opinion I, personally do not condone my actions which are obviously on the wrong or black side. I don't think anyone should be on the wrong side when we look at it from the text book.
According to my records as Monet0412 on WoV I joined up on February 18, 2016. The reason I joined up was because I was hammering this promotion at Skyline that was the Chase The Royal Promotion and I was curious about the Math on another promotion they were running at the same time. This promotion was what they called a Bingo Card Promotion. Most machine players understand that this is usually a certain amount of video poker hands you have to cross off to complete the card and receive an award. This Bingo Card Promotion was for all the 4 of a kinds. So after you would complete all the 4 of a kinds you would 250 dollars and you could do this another time and get another 250 and on the last card you could get 500 dollars. Mind you I was playing 10/7 DB so anything on top of this game is gravy since it is full pay at 100.17% with perfect play and advanced strategy. Later down the road they added an extra card worth 1000 dollars bonus and the cards were color coded.
I wanted to know what the math was on the cycle to complete all the quads. I had a ballpark figure in my mind and after a day or so of posting it was confirmed that it only took about 17,500 hands to complete this cycle on average. Romes was bashing me a little bit at first claiming that it was impossible and a lot of noise but was doing the math wrong. I didn't realize that at the time this forum had members on it for a long time and have had problems in the past with phonies or other problems. I am actually very new to forums that is why sometimes I have to ask questions or misunderstand that I am not conducting myself properly. This is my 3rd forum only. My first one was for a video game online and those guys didn't get into heated debates and all these problems we tend to have on these gambling forums so I didn't realize I was in the middle of the Lions Den at first with WoV. If you read this thread over there I claim that I can play at around 1100 hands per hour with no mistakes and WoN challenged me to a 5k bet but I didn't take him up on it and after we all found out that he is a Con Man I suppose it is a good thing that I didn't. Many people wanted to bet me on it but in my life I have always had problems with prop bets and I also am not looking to bet my fellow gamblers and win or lose money to or from them. I want to steal or beat the Casino out of the money they cheat people out of every day. I do not understand this Wizard and his crew gambling each other taking each others money in backgammon and poker games and such or even prop bets. I hear stories all the time how they are betting one another. This is not fun for me. I don't want to sit around the table with my crew and play poker with them. I would want to sit with my crew if I had a crew and cheat the suckers. That is just me.
The Link is to that thread if you want to read it...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...d-cycle-bonus/
On this play it wasn't well known just yet so I didn't want to tell everyone where it was so I was trying to be deceptive. Later some local pros showed up and the word got out a bit more but it wasn't terrible and Skyline honored the Promo for the whole month. They changed it around but for a month or two after they dropped the Royal but bumped up the Bingo Cards which still worked out to an easy winner for only having to play quarter VP.
So after all that... if you stayed with this post this long we are getting to my example or question.
This is what one husband and wife team was doing late at night at the bar...
They would play a machine and move to another machine every 15 minutes or so. If they hit a quad they would claim it and have the guy punch the hole in the bingo card and sign and have the bartender sign. In the meantime the husband would move to another machine leaving the quad on the first machine. A few seconds later the Wife would swoop in and start playing that machine that had the quad on it. She would play a different game for a awhile and switch to the game with the 4 of a kind on it. She would flag down the bartender and claim that quad that was already claimed by the husband. They would leave these quads on the machines and keep claiming them as needed. So this happens all the times in the bars in LV. It used to happen more when the crews were hustling it and the bars were giving the dough away more so compared to today. Especially if they were giving you 25 dollars on the quads of the day. Some bars had 3 quads for the quad of the day. Also the gamblers bonus was crazy years and years ago and quarter players were making over 50 dollars an hour in bars, 7-11s, grocery stores and gas stations and other places.
My point is or question is do you think this is unethical behavior? Would you have any problems taking advantage of a promotion like this? Are these people scum for doing this? It is well known that a crew on WoV has done things like this and consider it a grey matter. I consider it black and wrong. I have no problem doing such things though and I don't mind admitting it.
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