Harley Davidson Slot - Spin Bank

[mickeycrimm]

I have seven different plays on the harley's and I will cover them all as time permits.

1. Straight up mini play
2. Straight up maxi play
3. Straight up mega play
4. Mini/Maxi play
5. Mini/Mega play
6. Maxi/Mega play
7. Mini/Maxi/Mega play

[mickeycrimm]

A straight up mini play is when the maxi and mega are close to or at reset....and I know I'm going to play until I hit the mini. This is my minimum mini play:

Mega10/Maxi8/Mini45

10 X .0009 = .009
8 X .00385 = .0308
45 X .00623 = .28035

Total = .32015
Base Game = .7167
Total 103.685%

So when the mini is on 45 its an automatic play to me no matter where the maxi and mega are at.

The following comes under the heading of mini/maxi play

If the mini is on 44 then I need 10 in the maxi. That's two extra games in the maxi.

10 X .0009 = .009
10 X .00385 = .0385
44X = .27412

Total = .32162
Base Game = .7167
Total = 103.832

If the mini is on 43 I need 12 in the maxi.

10 X .0009 = .009
12 X .00385 = .0462
43 X .00623 = .26789

Total = .32309
Base Game = .7167
Total = 103.779

If the mini is on 42 I need 14 in the maxi to hold the same edge, 41 and I need 16 in the maxi.

For lower mini numbers I have to make an adjustment in the meter rate because we are getting into the territory where if you hit the maxi early you will have to quit the play because the mini number could be on just 42 or 43, etc. I'll cover that next time.

[Deech]

I feel like a boxer. I think I used to know math and now I have to take a step back. Thank you for this thread. MC, KJEW, and Monet have kept me on the edge of insightfulness and present insightful logic. Thank you, guys.

[mickeycrimm]

In the pic below you can see we have a harley maxi play. 57 maxi freespins would be a little light but 35 in the mega tilts it to a play. In the mini play earlier the base game was 71.67%. But we have a different calculation for the maxi play. The base game has these components:

71.67%
4.33%....value of the 7 mini free games at reset
4.6%.....maxi meter rate

Totals to 80.6%

That's our base. Now we just have to add in the decimals. We've got 57 freespins in the maxi:

57 X .00385 = 21.945%

35 X .0009 = 3.15%

80.6
21.945
3.15

Totals to 105.695%

So we have a big greenlight on this play. If you were to insta hit the mega on this play you would still have a 3% edge chasing the maxi. But that is not likely to happen.

[Prozema]

MC... Looks like you are calculating this one with 7 in the mini and not 12. I assume I'm going to hit the mini 3x for every maxi, so I would have used the full mini value putting the game close to 109%. Am I overvaluing the mini in this situation?

When that mini hits, I would expect the game to be at 7, 61, 37 changing the payback to 107%.

[mickeycrimm]

MC... Looks like you are calculating this one with 7 in the mini and not 12. I assume I'm going to hit the mini 3x for every maxi, so I would have used the full mini value putting the game close to 109%. Am I overvaluing the mini in this situation?

When that mini hits, I would expect the game to be at 7, 61, 37 changing the payback to 107%.

Seven of the freespins in the mini are accounted for in the base game. The other five can be hit only once. Their value is 6.85 units (5 X 1.37). When playing for a maxi it's a 675 game cycle so those extra five freespins have a value of 1% (6.85/675).

[Prozema]

Oh, I see... You're putting one number on the play and I'm recalculating after each hit.

[mickeycrimm]

Oh, I see... You're putting one number on the play and I'm recalculating after each hit.

Yes, except I forgot to include the extra five mini freespins in the original equation. So it's actually a 107% play. I would reevaluate the play if I hit the mega before the maxi.

[Prozema]

I'm putting 7, 57, 10 just under 104% with a .2% card. Naturally I'd like more, but that's enough for me to play.

[mickeycrimm]

I messed up the first pic and only got half the mega in it. It was a mega76/maxi47/mini15 I spun off this morning. Essentially it's a maxi/mega play. I'm going to play until I hit either the maxi or mega then reevaluate. The base game on a maxi/mega play is 80% instead of the 80.6% it would be if it were a straight up maxi play.

Regular game payback 64.2%
Mini meter rate 7.47&
7 mini games at reset 4.3%
maxi/mega meter rate 4%
Totals to 80%

mega 76 X .0009 = 6.84%
maxi 47 X .00385 = 18.1%
8 extra freespins in the mini = 2%
So I had a 107% play and might get a 2nd play off it.

I put a $300 ticket in and started spinning. I burned off about $80 then hit the mega first. Some great positive variance. The 78 mega freespins have a theoretical of $430 (78 X 2.3 X 2.4) but I again enjoyed some positive variance racking up $711 in credits.

The game came back on mega10/maxi52mini28. On a maxi/mini play the base game is 71%.

Regular games 64.2
Meter rate 6.755%
totals to 71%
10 X .009 = .9%
52 X .00385 = 20.02%
28 X .00623 = 17.444
So a 109% play

I had $935 in credits when I started the play. I spun off $230 before hitting the mini at 44. The freespins had a theoretical of $145 but as you can see I way underperformed. So the 2nd play was a $130 loser.

I booked a net win of $495. The last pic is where I left the game. Hopefully, the ploppies will build it up some more without hitting the maxi.

[Barney]

This is Barney,

I am at casino today when first thing I do is look for numbers on the Harley slut machine device. It showed the 60 Mini, 82 Maxi, and I am not sure on Mega but about 35. I could see this was most wonderful advantage play without doing the calculations that hurt my head most tremendously. I asked the LID for about $175 stake for this greatest play. In about 10 minutes all of my monies gone down the machine and about 20 minutes later some most fortune ploppie hit the Min for about $300 and some other dude later in the day hit Maxi for about $650.

The LID really give me the shits about playing the slut machine devices and losing since he is advantage player of the video pokers and the game of craps. He has begun to call me a SAP. A slight advantage player. I told him he didn't gives me enough bankroll but he just sent me back up to room to watch most wonderful movies.

[mickeycrimm]

This is Barney,

I am at casino today when first thing I do is look for numbers on the Harley slut machine device. It showed the 60 Mini, 82 Maxi, and I am not sure on Mega but about 35. I could see this was most wonderful advantage play without doing the calculations that hurt my head most tremendously. I asked the LID for about $175 stake for this greatest play. In about 10 minutes all of my monies gone down the machine and about 20 minutes later some most fortune ploppie hit the Min for about $300 and some other dude later in the day hit Maxi for about $650.

The LID really give me the shits about playing the slut machine devices and losing since he is advantage player of the video pokers and the game of craps. He has begun to call me a SAP. A slight advantage player. I told him he didn't gives me enough bankroll but he just sent me back up to room to watch most wonderful movies.

I assume the LID has bankroll. Tell him he's the SAP for not spinning off a very nice short term advantage play. It's actually two plays. Maybe even 3 plays if the mega comes off first or 2nd. I wouldn't quit until I took off both the mini and the maxi. Initially, its at 143%.

[Prozema]

Sounds like Barney was playing a $3.20 bet level with a bank of $175.

That's only going to give him about 156 spins... The minis average hit is 220 spins so that won't work.

With $200, you would take the mini down 50% of the time at the 3.20 bet level and go broke the other 50% of the time... Also not good.

At an absolute minimum, I'd want $600 in my pocket if I was chasing a $3.20 mini... That would cover 3 full cycles (assuming the base game takes exactly $1.12 per spin) and the mini would be taken down most of the time.

Since we are dealing with a slot machine, I'm still not comfortable... In the short term paybacks vary wildly from the average, I would be comfortable with 3x what the math says I should have... $1,800 to attack a $3.20 denomination play.

[mickeycrimm]

A 113% play from this morning. It came back on mega98maxi35mini7. At 102.2% it was a little to thin. I left it to see what the ploppies will do with it. Will be back at the casino shortly and take a look.

[mickeycrimm]

A 113% play from this morning. It came back on mega98maxi35mini7. At 102.2% it was a little to thin. I left it to see what the ploppies will do with it. Will be back at the casino shortly and take a look.

On this play I hit the mini fairly early and and didn't continue playing because of the thin edge that was left. So I cashed a $52 win. I just made a lap through the casino again and the ploppies had wiped it out.

[The Boz]

A 113% play from this morning. It came back on mega98maxi35mini7. At 102.2% it was a little to thin. I left it to see what the ploppies will do with it. Will be back at the casino shortly and take a look.

On this play I hit the mini fairly early and and didn't continue playing because of the thin edge that was left. So I cashed a $52 win. I just made a lap through the casino again and the ploppies had wiped it out.

This is part of the problem with the HD’s. The plop’s don’t do the math but see a play like you left and jump in. Many times they take it down and make decent money. Most don’t have the bankroll to run it out, but they are playing at an advantage and hit them enough times to make them dangerous.

The flaming numbers on this game don’t help.

[mickeycrimm]

A 113% play from this morning. It came back on mega98maxi35mini7. At 102.2% it was a little to thin. I left it to see what the ploppies will do with it. Will be back at the casino shortly and take a look.

On this play I hit the mini fairly early and and didn't continue playing because of the thin edge that was left. So I cashed a $52 win. I just made a lap through the casino again and the ploppies had wiped it out.

This is part of the problem with the HD’s. The plop’s don’t do the math but see a play like you left and jump in. Many times they take it down and make decent money. Most don’t have the bankroll to run it out, but they are playing at an advantage and hit them enough times to make them dangerous.

The flaming numbers on this game don’t help.

The ploppies love to chase the mega when it gets up around 100. It's way to low a number. The breakeven on a straight up mega play is 155. That includes all the meter movement too. A mega182maxi8mini7 is 102.4%. To thin for me. That play I left this morning had mega98maxi35 so it made it slightly positive. If the maxi would have been in the low forties I would have spun it until I hit either the mega or the maxi.

[The Boz]

On this play I hit the mini fairly early and and didn't continue playing because of the thin edge that was left. So I cashed a $52 win. I just made a lap through the casino again and the ploppies had wiped it out.

This is part of the problem with the HD’s. The plop’s don’t do the math but see a play like you left and jump in. Many times they take it down and make decent money. Most don’t have the bankroll to run it out, but they are playing at an advantage and hit them enough times to make them dangerous.

The flaming numbers on this game don’t help.

The ploppies love to chase the mega when it gets up around 100. It's way to low a number. The breakeven on a straight up mega play is 155. That includes all the meter movement too. A mega182maxi8mini7 is 102.4%. To thin for me. That play I left this morning had mega98maxi35 so it made it slightly positive. If the maxi would have been in the low forties I would have spun it until I hit either the mega or the maxi.

I agree, that 351 Mega you posted should be a wake up call to anyone chasing it. How many played from even 100 on lost their ass? Sure you may hit some Mini/ Max along the way but I see the Mega as nice when you hit it, but almost as an afterthought.

Your math is spot on and I only learn from your comments. As always, thanks Mick!

[mickeycrimm]

This is part of the problem with the HD’s. The plop’s don’t do the math but see a play like you left and jump in. Many times they take it down and make decent money. Most don’t have the bankroll to run it out, but they are playing at an advantage and hit them enough times to make them dangerous.

The flaming numbers on this game don’t help.

The ploppies love to chase the mega when it gets up around 100. It's way to low a number. The breakeven on a straight up mega play is 155. That includes all the meter movement too. A mega182maxi8mini7 is 102.4%. To thin for me. That play I left this morning had mega98maxi35 so it made it slightly positive. If the maxi would have been in the low forties I would have spun it until I hit either the mega or the maxi.

I agree, that 351 Mega you posted should be a wake up call to anyone chasing it. How many played from even 100 on lost their ass? Sure you may hit some Mini/ Max along the way but I see the Mega as nice when you hit it, but almost as an afterthought.

Your math is spot on and only learn from your comments. As always, thanks Mick!

Thanks, Boz. My strategy on the mega is not to play for it straight up. That's when you are playing on through after stripping out whatever buildup was in the maxi and mini. I use the mini and maxi to get a big discount on spinning for the mega. I walked off from a play, taking a small loss, a few days ago after stripping out the maxi and mini and left it sitting on mega168maxi11mini7. I got some very cheap spins in on the mega. And when I went back to check on it the ploppies had taken off the mega. But that's okay. New plays always develop.

[Guy Incognito]

Man, I never find machines with numbers like that here (LV). I think the best play I've found was barely over 100%. Too much competition, I guess?