Rob Singer sightings...

[Alan Mendelson]

It's time for me to leave again.

Dan I am very disappointed in you. Earlier today you read this thread and you did nothing to stop the attacks that blame me for Singer.

I'm not surprised by redietz because after all I never saw his package. I'm sure redietz will always hold that against me. But did anyone else ask to read it? Did redietz post any of it himself on the forum? Of course redietz says copyrights prevented hm from posting... but he expected me to do it?

Did redietz send his package to Dan or anyone else?

Mickeycrimm I never expected you to really want to go on TV.

MisterV and regnis thanks for stating the obvious: I'm not Singer so why attack me? Like I'm really the one responsible for Rob's rude behavior?

Look guys, if you want to condemn me for the people I know and have associated with then condemn me for being friends with Bill Mentzer (Google William Mentzer) if you don't know him.

But the bottom line is this: Singer cared about the math just as APs do. But it wasn't the only reason he left casinos with a profit but it's what the rest of you were caught up on.

[kewlJ]

Mr. Mendelson is actually the dangerous part of this duo, as nobody buys Argentino's stuff anymore without somebody credible backing him up.

THIS is a very, very important truth! None of these scam artist can succeed without some help of someone giving them some credibility. Their claims always fall flat on their own without someone aiding and enabling them and their ridiculous claims.

There are many claims made by many members of different sites that just fall flat on their own and I never get involved in. It's the scams that are propped up with people giving the scammer credibility that are dangerous.

I am banned from 2 gambling forums because of this exact situation. Not for breaking rules, or name calling (which I sometime sink to ), or my sometimes immature responses. But because I dared call bullshit on a person claiming they invented a super duper count that allows for a 5% advantage at blackjack. NO counting method can do that! Playing with a computer couldn't do that! It's mathematically impossible.

But just like all others, this scam couldn't have occurred and survived for several years without the help of an enabler. In this case it was the owner of the site, Qfit, who provided credibility by providing the platform and then protecting this fraud from not only myself, but others who challenged these mathematically impossible claims.

It just never fails that for these scams and scammers to succeed, there has to be an accomplice, whether intentional or not who provides credibility. Singer could not have succeeded to the level that he has with his nonsense without help. And Alan has (and continues to) provided much of that help.

[tableplay]

Redietz, I've no dog in this fight but in the interest of clarity I'll point out that in supporting singer alan does not become singer.

Your fight is with his friend, not with alan, so why not go to GF or wherever else your nemesis is posting these days and go toe to toe with him directly?

Enough with the surrogates.

Incorrect, Mr. V. I wish it were as you say, but that would be the same as saying that the Stanford Research Institute had nothing to do with the financial and reputational success of Uri Geller. Uri Geller, without the imprimatur of the SRI, would have been a niche novelty. It was when a respected scientific establishment was manipulated and bamboozled that Geller's public stock rose. The problem, in that case, was the SRI.

People had to be willing to take on and debunk the credibility, competence, and honesty of the SRI as much (or more) than debunk Geller. It was the old story -- once established professionals were invested in Geller, it took yeoman's work to flip the script. The SRI's reputation took a monstrous hit, and deservedly so.

Some people said as you just said, but there was no way to debunk Geller without debunking the SRI. Geller, by the way, was about as nasty when challenged as Argentino, but without the rampant racism and homophobia.

While I am not taking a position that cold fusion definitely does not exist, SRI is, I believe, still conducting cold fusion experiments.

[coach belly]

PS: Since you came back does this mean Fat Belly is going to come out of the woodwork too?

Since my name was mentioned, I'll oblige and contribute to the thread.

I find it especially cowardly that the wormm, the tewl, and the ditz all begged for Singer to be banned, and then continue posting about Rob Singer since he was banned. What a bunch of belly-crawling invertebrates.

I simply make a deal with an agent to create multipliers for me on Ultimate X. Just two machines needed. He creates multipliers on several games then cashes out. I slip in the seat and clean the multipliers up. He creates multipliers on several games on the machine beside it then cashes out, then I clean up those multipliers. And we go back and forth until I have produced the $500 earn

This ruse demonstrates that the wormm can't really produce any win without an accomplice willing to lose money just to set him up with multipliers. Thanks for finally admitting that you are a fraud, you fucking wormm.

[coach belly]

None of these scam artist can succeed without some help of someone giving them some credibility.

Singer gives his books away, and offers free VP training.

So who is he scamming, and what is the scam...tewlj?

Math may show card counters can have an edge, but you haven't proven any ability to count, or provided any evidence of success.

You once claimed losing a bundle as your greatest success to date.

But you are an admitted and proven liar, so you have no credibility, and nobody should believe anything you write.

Does that make you a scam artist too...besides being a weirdo and a tewl?

[kewlJ]

Since my name was mentioned, I'll oblige and contribute.

I find it especially cowardly that the wormm, the tewl, and the ditz all begged for Singer to be banned, and then can't stop posting about Rob Singer. What a bunch of belly-crawling invertebrates.

I think you have this backwards, coach belly. (I won't stoop to your level of name-calling simply because I don't agree with your argument). If was the person going by Rob Singer who started this volley.

What is disturbing is the level of this cult-like following, where you and others so come out of the woodwork (or retirement) to support and protect this person and these mathematically impossible claims. Even more disturbing is how you all immediately go on the attack, name calling and personal attacks, in the name of protecting this fraud. I'd be willing to bet that some of you guys are decent people, that don't usually act like this. What gives? Can someone explain it to me?

[coach belly]

I think you have this backwards, coach belly. If was the person going by Rob Singer who started this volley.

Check your timeline, tewlj.

Singer mentioned you on GF after you commented about him in this thread.

[jbjb]

Singer gives his books away, and offers free VP training.

No matter what, his shit is worthless.

[redietz]

Redietz, I've no dog in this fight but in the interest of clarity I'll point out that in supporting singer alan does not become singer.

Your fight is with his friend, not with alan, so why not go to GF or wherever else your nemesis is posting these days and go toe to toe with him directly?

Enough with the surrogates.

Incorrect, Mr. V. I wish it were as you say, but that would be the same as saying that the Stanford Research Institute had nothing to do with the financial and reputational success of Uri Geller. Uri Geller, without the imprimatur of the SRI, would have been a niche novelty. It was when a respected scientific establishment was manipulated and bamboozled that Geller's public stock rose. The problem, in that case, was the SRI.

People had to be willing to take on and debunk the credibility, competence, and honesty of the SRI as much (or more) than debunk Geller. It was the old story -- once established professionals were invested in Geller, it took yeoman's work to flip the script. The SRI's reputation took a monstrous hit, and deservedly so.

Some people said as you just said, but there was no way to debunk Geller without debunking the SRI. Geller, by the way, was about as nasty when challenged as Argentino, but without the rampant racism and homophobia.

While I am not taking a position that cold fusion definitely does not exist, SRI is, I believe, still conducting cold fusion experiments.

The problem SRI had with Geller was that the people examining and testing him were all physicists. They were used to experiments without humans involved, and had no experience with people trying to fool them. When psychologists and magicians were introduced to the process, Geller's powers mysteriously disappeared.

Mr. Mendelson achieved a certain credibility gambling recreationally and reporting on the myriad aspects of Seven Stars. That and his celebrity status and journalistic credentials provide a kind of golden halo like the PhDs of the folks at SRI testing Geller. But it doesn't mean he has any relevant skills for actually evaluating what Argentino does or says. Whenever anyone has suggested Mr. Mendelson consult math professionals or gambling experts regarding Argentino, Mr. Mendelson has begged off and argued that Argentino's Gaming Today column wouldn't have been published without GT vetting him. That argument relieved Mr. Mendelson of any responsibility regarding Argentino while ignoring the fact that GT also regularly published Keno Lil's columns (with tips on winning at keno) and similar things. Mr. Mendelson, who certainly has the clout and Rolodex to establish Argentino's actual abilities or credibility, has never actually investigated those abilities or credibility. Either he has no interest, which is odd because he goes to bat for Argentino many times, or there must be an agenda.

And that's where it's been for years.

[coach belly]

Singer gives his books away, and offers free VP training.

No matter what, his shit is worthless.

So if he's giving worthless shit away for free, then who is he scamming and what is the scam?

You're advice is worthless too, you didn't even know how freeplay worked until I explained it, so you're obviously a fraud.

[kewlJ]

I think you have this backwards, coach belly. If was the person going by Rob Singer who started this volley.

Check your timeline, tewlj.

Singer mentioned you on GF after you commented about him in this thread.

I didn't say "mention of me" did I? I said "started this volley".

[redietz]

None of these scam artist can succeed without some help of someone giving them some credibility.

Singer gives his books away, and offers free VP training.

So who is he scamming, and what is the scam...tewlj?

Math may show card counters can have an edge, but you haven't proven any ability to count, or provided any evidence of success.

You once claimed losing a bundle as your greatest success to date.

But you are an admitted and proven liar, so you have no credibility, and nobody should believe anything you write.

Does that make you a scam artist too...besides being a weirdo and a tewl?

I don't recall "begging for Singer to be banned." Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure I felt the site would be better without Argentino, and I may have said that, but I do not recall begging. I'm sure you can track that down and correct me, right coach?

Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?

Hard to criticize someone when they're killing it, eh? Is that why you've been such a quiet boy?

Yessirree, coach, we all must be losers, isn't that right? Unless we're not.

[coach belly]

I'm sure you can track that down and correct me, right coach?

Since you're so sure, then I won't bother.

[coach belly]

Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?

LOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.

How much do you imagine that you won?

Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.

You can even martingale your bets with an unlimited imaginary bankroll, like your buddy LSH/OAB did.

[redietz]

I'm sure you can track that down and correct me, right coach?

Since you're so sure, then I won't bother.

Go ahead and track it down, coach. I'll wait.

I get a kick out of you. If I had bombed last season, I'm sure we would have heard from you. But somehow it's tough to call people losers when they're steamrolling through the gambling world.

Better luck next year, buddy.

[redietz]

Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?

LOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.

Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.

Nothing past posted, genius. It was all public. But you knew that.

The girlfriend won Linemasters again, also. Won it twice in three years -- beats my accomplishments, which were pretty awesome. Hard to knock 11 consecutive winning wagers in a public contest when there's only two wagers a week. Hard to knock Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title.

Past posting? LOL. Hundreds of people know who I take every week.

[blackhole]

I guess I need to mention I had a killer year over there and finished third in The Wise Guys. Have to look up my password.

And "Hey, Mr. Mendelson," I have some additions to "the package." Won eleven consecutive games and finished third in The Wise Guys contest last year, finished third again in Northbet's Pick the Pros (back to back thirds in a contest with thousands of people -- not shabby, eh?). Had Georgia at 45-1 to win the title in football. So if you want another package, just let me know.

And my girlfriend did better than me! That should be worth a package of its own!

Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?

Hard to criticize someone when they're killing it, eh? Is that why you've been such a quiet boy?

Yessirree, coach, we all must be losers, isn't that right? Unless we're not.

I'm sure you can track that down and correct me, right coach?

Since you're so sure, then I won't bother.

Go ahead and track it down, coach. I'll wait.

I get a kick out of you. If I had bombed last season, I'm sure we would have heard from you. But somehow it's tough to call people losers when they're steamrolling through the gambling world.

Better luck next year, buddy.

Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?

LOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.

Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.

Nothing past posted, genius. It was all public. But you knew that.

The girlfriend won Linemasters again, also. Won it twice in three years -- beats my accomplishments, which were pretty awesome. Hard to knock 11 consecutive winning wagers in a public contest when there's only two wagers a week. Hard to knock Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title.

Past posting? LOL. Hundreds of people know who I take every week.

You're slipping Redietz ... Only five back-door self promoting hustling advertisements in 6 pages.

[redietz]

Ads usually sell something, blackhole. I'm not selling anything to forum people. Go ahead, get some of your friends and compadres to whip up some anonymous handles and PM me sometime about buying something from me. Try it 10, 50, 100 times over the next year or two and see what response you get. Try it on any forum on which you can find me. Then report back on my "advertising."

Now you can either do that and report back on what you find, or choose to not do it because you know what you'll find. Your choice, smart guy.

Let's see how honest blackhole is regarding finding out the truth about people. Or you can just sit back, not do it, and speculate that I do this or do that. Your choice.

[Alan Mendelson]

Its clear that I can't leave this site because if I did the liars would take over.

Kewlj you mentioned Singer as a scammer, but what scam is he a part of? I have never heard of Singer scamming anyone. Be specific, kewlj. What scam?

Rob Singer had a newspaper column for years and already published a website and at least two books BEFORE I met him. And you say I enabled Rob Singer?

Redietz, there you go again about presenting Singer's math to independent college professors. I'm going to tell you again what was told to you before: it would be a waste of time BECAUSE SINGER ADMITTED HIS SPECIAL PLAYS WERE ALL AT A DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL STRATEGY.

MR REDIETZ why can't you accept this? There was nothing to figure. There was nothing to analyze. Rob's special plays did not have the expected return of conventional play. Your demands to present his special plays to independent professors was a waste of time. And you were told that.

And the rest of Singer's system? My how you've forgotten. Because even I wrote on the forum over and over that I never understood the rest of it and I disputed from day one his claim that machines were rigged.

But you also overlooked another Singer Factor: calling it quits and leaving with a win in hand. And there even Rob said when he left was a variable that was never set.

Again l, I'm disappointed our absentee landlord and owner isn't participating or clearing the way for Singer to defend himself. And so, the cheap shots will continue.

[mickeycrimm]

So if he's giving worthless shit away for free, then who is he scamming and what is the scam?

Singer's system is worse than worthless. It's downright dangerous. People will get ruined for a lot of money.