Rob Singer sightings...

[Dan Druff]

Here's my feelings regarding this thread:

1) Rob Singer did indeed push a bogus "strategy" which was -EV and made no logical sense. I didn't see any evidence he was pushing this strategy for personal profit. Rather, he hated APs and wanted to be seen as someone who could win without APing, which is just strange. But to say that Rob admitted the faults in his strategies is inaccurate. He claimed he knew how to win.

2) I never understood why Alan defended Rob so much, especially given how Rob would often insult him and slam his personal life. However, I don't agree with redeitz that it reflects badly on Alan and his business. The average person (who doesn't read this and similar gambling forums) would never associate Rob Singer and Alan Mendelson together. Alan has long been out of the mainstream news business, and has spent the last several years doing infomercials for businesses. I'm not knocking that, but if Alan wants to have some idiotic friends and back their crazy views on forums, I don't see it as a big deal. It's stupid, but not a big deal.

3) I understand redeitz's personal gripes with Alan (Alan handled the package/proof situation with redeitz very poorly), but I don't feel it warrants redeitz trying to publicize harmful material about Alan, especially if it's going to affect unrelated people like Alan's son.

4) I would be willing to temporarily unban Rob Singer so he can respond in this thread. Alan or someone else can let me know if he's interested.

[jbjb]

4) I would be willing to temporarily unban Rob Singer so he can respond in this thread. Alan or someone else can let me know if he's interested.

Don't do It! They can all go over to that GF site and debate over there.

[mickeycrimm]

This ruse demonstrates that the wormm can't really produce any win without an accomplice willing to lose money just to set him up with multipliers. Thanks for finally admitting that you are a fraud, you fucking wormm.

At the time I made the $10,000 challenge to Singer my daily average earn was $562. I would have had no problem doing it legitimately. But your line right here, coach, "can't really produce any win without an accomplice" is exactly correct. Now we are getting somewhere. That is really a profound statement. I'm surprised you are the one that came up with it but thanks for the quote. It goes right to the heart of how things work in short term advantage machine play.

Yes, it would be very easy to create a false win on UX's because I would have to pay an agent to create the multipliers. He creates a loss in creating the multipliers and I create a win playing them off. This scam was actually worked in reverse at the Revel loss rebate promotion. The player showing the big loss got the rebates. However, the 2nd player picked most of the money back up by playing the multipliers off.

So what am I getting at here? How about if you had a player that created the multipliers for you without charging you anything? Or how about if you had lots of players creating the multipliers for you and not charging you anything? That is exactly what the general public, the recreational gamblers, are doing. They play these games and leave multipliers behind for you to pick off....free of charge. It's free money. In a nutshell, coach, this is how it works for all short term advantage machine plays. The ploppies play the games and many of them leave the machine in a short term positive situation for the next player. That's where I come in. I just mosey around the casino looking for these short term positives and play them off when I find them.

So you are right, coach. How prophetic of you. I can't make a dime without accomplices. However, those accomplices, the ploppies, aren't charging me for it. And they have no clue that they are my accomplices. How sweet it is.

[mickeycrimm]

Its clear that I can't leave this site because if I did the liars would take over.

Kewlj you mentioned Singer as a scammer, but what scam is he a part of? I have never heard of Singer scamming anyone. Be specific, kewlj. What scam?

Rob Singer had a newspaper column for years and already published a website and at least two books BEFORE I met him. And you say I enabled Rob Singer?

Redietz, there you go again about presenting Singer's math to independent college professors. I'm going to tell you again what was told to you before: it would be a waste of time BECAUSE SINGER ADMITTED HIS SPECIAL PLAYS WERE ALL AT A DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL STRATEGY.

MR REDIETZ why can't you accept this? There was nothing to figure. There was nothing to analyze. Rob's special plays did not have the expected return of conventional play. Your demands to present his special plays to independent professors was a waste of time. And you were told that.

And the rest of Singer's system? My how you've forgotten. Because even I wrote on the forum over and over that I never understood the rest of it and I disputed from day one his claim that machines were rigged.

But you also overlooked another Singer Factor: calling it quits and leaving with a win in hand. And there even Rob said when he left was a variable that was never set.

Again l, I'm disappointed our absentee landlord and owner isn't participating or clearing the way for Singer to defend himself. And so, the cheap shots will continue.

Dan doesn't pay attention to anyone calling for the banning of someone else. He makes his own decisions in that regard based on what the member is posting. He gives everyone here enough rope to hang themselves if they want. Singer hung himself.

[coach belly]

I can't make a dime without accomplices. However, those accomplices, the ploppies, aren't charging me for it. And they have no clue that they are my accomplices.

Except you can't be sure that any ploppies have left multipliers, and you can't be sure that you'll find them before somebody else plays them off. So you're not sure that you can legitimately produce a $500 win in a challenge, and that's why you need to cheat and pay an accomplice to create multipliers for you by losing.

Now we understand why you insist that any and all of your challenges must take place in Montana, that's where your accomplices are located.

You can't walk into a randomly chosen casino and win jack shit, without a paid accomplice setting things up you'd fall flat on your face in any legitimate challenge.

What a fucking phony you turned out to be, Singer was right about you all along.

[mickeycrimm]

I can't make a dime without accomplices. However, those accomplices, the ploppies, aren't charging me for it. And they have no clue that they are my accomplices.

Except you can't be sure that any ploppies have left multipliers, and you can't be sure that you'll find them before somebody else plays them off. So you're not sure that you can legitimately produce a $500 win in a challenge, and that's why you need to cheat and pay an accomplice to create multipliers for you by losing.

Now we understand why you insist that any and all of your challenges must take place in Montana, that's where your accomplices are located.

You can't walk into a randomly chosen casino and win jack shit, without a paid accomplice setting things up you'd fall flat on your face in any legitimate challenge.

What a fucking phony you turned out to be, Singer was right about you all along.

You might be right. Currently it's only worth 10K a month. That's not a $500 a day average. Oh well, I guess I'll just cry all the way to the bank.

And remember, I'm the one that told you how easy it would be to set someone up. That's not exactly phony is it, pork belly?

You squeal like a pig.

[mickeycrimm]

Frankly, Rob's system of playing full pay 8/5 Bonus Poker with a conventional strategy 95%+ of the time is easier to believe than claims that someone can earn $500 a day playing must hit by low level slots five days a week because that would mean the slot player is winning 20% more than Singer's $100,000 a year.

Low level must hits? Sure I'll play them off if I happen to be walking by one and see a number. But I don't concentrate on them. The screenshot below is more my speed. I'm not talking about the minor meter. I'm talking about the major meter. This is what AP's call a "10K must hit."

The game on this particular machine is a 94%'er. What are these plays worth? That depends on your playable number....or how high you find the meter. At $9700 it's about a 3% edge and you would have about $2500 in expectation on the play. At $9800 you would have about a 10% edge and $5000 in expectation. At $9900 you would have about a 30% edge and $7500 in expectation.

You can't bring a chump change bankroll to plays like this.

[blackhole]

Redietz, I see you made two self promoting hustling backdoor commercials over at GF. Since you can't PM there its funny how you made sure to supply a couple of links for contact.

I joined a few of these sites just to challenge and try to expose the bullshit hustlers. It's obvious the king of AP's Axelwolf never had anything to offer anyone except 99.9% of his posts being nothing but wisecracks, and using these places to hustle desperate idiots falling for his bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if he became the next WON that gets exposed. Notice not a word from him anywhere about WON. (no doubt a good friend or worried about being exposed by WON if he trashed him) I don't think he and his phony accomplishes weren't able to work much of their magic here, since most here have been around the block and newbies aren't frequent. WOV remains the best place for recruiting and Axelwolf will be certain not to burn that bridge. It's obvious he licks M.S.'s ass every chance he gets.

You're probably the biggest backdoor hustler here Redietz.

[Keystone]

It’s amazing how a few um, men(?) find their balls and start posting once their GodKing is around to make them feel safe again....pathetic

[blackhole]

Mickey, since your picture has been posted several times by you and everyone knows what you look like, why don't you post a picture of you holding a W2 with one of those 10K must wins after you hit it?

[quahaug]

ONCE AGAIN, Singers scam is having HIS players card in the machine when he's "teaching" a "student" his award winning system. Simple and ingenious scam.

[coach belly]

ONCE AGAIN, Singers scam is having HIS players card in the machine when he's "teaching" a "student" his award winning system. Simple and ingenious scam.

How do you know that?

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey, since your picture has been posted several times by you and everyone knows what you look like, why don't you post a picture of you holding a W2 with one of those 10K must wins after you hit it?

You mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.

[blackhole]

Mickey, since your picture has been posted several times by you and everyone knows what you look like, why don't you post a picture of you holding a W2 with one of those 10K must wins after you hit it?

You mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.

What's sad is that you don't even realize how this response makes you look more pathetic then one could have expected or even imagined.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey, since your picture has been posted several times by you and everyone knows what you look like, why don't you post a picture of you holding a W2 with one of those 10K must wins after you hit it?

You mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.

What's sad is that you don't even realize how this response makes you look more pathetic then one could have expected or even imagined.

I'm on the road. The w2g's are in a storage locker in New Mexico....under Singer's shit. Tell Rob to post them up for me when he digs out those math records.

And its you that is the pathetic one. A pathetic maggot that goes "cry....boohoo....snivel....snivel...it can't be true about AP's.....I'm a loser...they have to be losers too..cry....boohoo....snivel....snivel."

[kewlJ]

Kewlj you mentioned Singer as a scammer, but what scam is he a part of? I have never heard of Singer scamming anyone. Be specific, kewlj. What scam?

Mickey's answer is exact. No reason to elaborate.

Singer's system is worse than worthless. It's downright dangerous. People will get ruined for a lot of money.

[Alan Mendelson]

A dangerous system, mickeycrimm? Since when is it dangerous to quit playing when you have a profit?

[RS__]

A dangerous system, mickeycrimm? Since when is it dangerous to quit playing when you have a profit?

That’s not the dangerous part......holy shit you serious?

[kewlJ]

A couple thoughts:

Great post by Dan Druff (up until the unban Singer idea). Objective and setting the record straight. Basically shot down everything Alan has said since his "return". Not that it will matter. Alan is like the energizer bunny. He will just keep going with his nonsensical agenda to support and enable Singer and trying to discredit AP's.

On Mickey posting picture with tax forms: Don't do it mickey! These a-holes are not entitled to any proof of anything. That is NOT the way an anonymous message board works. What they are attempting is nothing more than 'bullying'. Like I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". There is absolutely no doubt mickeycrimm is 100% legit and knows what he is talking about. Anyone too stupid to see that....really just doesn't want to see that. And this forum or any forum is damn lucky to have mickey participating.

to Dan Druff: Don't allow Singer back. That's what this is all about. Singer baiting on another site. Alan's return to support him. Don't let these scammers manipulate you Dan. If anything you should consider further bans....blackhole, coach belly and possibly even Alan, as it is crystal clear these members have only one single purpose and agenda to disrupt the site and support Singer and an anti-AP agenda. When members don't participate...don't post for months and only come out of the woodwork like this for one specific reason....that's an agenda.

[redietz]

Redietz, I see you made two self promoting hustling backdoor commercials over at GF. Since you can't PM there its funny how you made sure to supply a couple of links for contact.

I joined a few of these sites just to challenge and try to expose the bullshit hustlers. It's obvious the king of AP's Axelwolf never had anything to offer anyone except 99.9% of his posts being nothing but wisecracks, and using these places to hustle desperate idiots falling for his bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if he became the next WON that gets exposed. Notice not a word from him anywhere about WON. (no doubt a good friend or worried about being exposed by WON if he trashed him) I don't think he and his phony accomplishes weren't able to work much of their magic here, since most here have been around the block and newbies aren't frequent. WOV remains the best place for recruiting and Axelwolf will be certain not to burn that bridge. It's obvious he licks M.S.'s ass every chance he gets.

You're probably the biggest backdoor hustler here Redietz.

You know, it's really pointless to argue with people who haven't a clue about anything, like blackhole here. The links at GF, in response to Argentino, are www.vegaswiseguys.com and www.northbet.ag. I've listed them here before. Both are sites at which I won or placed in season-long contests. Other than that, they have nothing to do with me. Go ahead and call them. The www.vegaswiseguys.com is a link to an old Wise Guys contest panel that lists me as a former champion. The northbet.ag link is to an offshore book that runs their Pick the Pros contest every year, and in which I finished third the last two years.

I'm sure blackhole clicked them, couldn't find anything except that I was a defending Wise Guys champion, and then decided to make shit up. I've listed both links here, previously, a number of times, always in response to some one of Argentino's rants or coach's commentary. I have PM abilities here, of course.

Blackhole, to expose people, you have to know what you're doing. Or you should have the energy to make the calls and do some fact checking. You simply don't. Now I understand you're ill, but making shit up is a poor excuse as a method for exposing cons.

That's the problem with anonymous posters. They can babble on and on, not knowing what they're talking about without being embarrassed.

If blackhole thought I was hustling, he could have PM'ed me, or recruited people to sign up with me and try to get me to sell them something. But of course he didn't and won't do that, because that would undercut his beliefs. Obviously, if he did that, and I sold someone something, he'd have his big "Aha!" moment. But he won't bother. That would be an easy way to garner proof of what he says, or disprove it.