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  1. #161
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What happened---I'm off your "sweetie" "sexy man" & "darling" list after exposing you for what you do?
    Certainly not. I think you're the sexiest man alive. You're so hot, laser beams avoid you for fear of being burned.

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm going to reinstate him now, but he will be restricted to post only in this thread and the other recent Singer thread.

    I will delete any posts of his anywhere else.
    Robbie is up and running (rampant) all over the forum.

    Please delete all of his posts everywhere else.

  3. #163
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm going to reinstate him now, but he will be restricted to post only in this thread and the other recent Singer thread.

    I will delete any posts of his anywhere else.
    Robbie is up and running (rampant) all over the forum.

    Please delete all of his posts everywhere else.
    Another stupid post from beachdumbass. What's the matter---you up to your eyeballs with the WoN fiasco you started?

  4. #164
    Wait a minute.

    You say Dankyone is BBB posting under a sock?

    What, Me Worry?

  5. #165
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Wait a minute.

    You say Dankyone is BBB posting under a sock?

    Yes she is. Wizard has joined this forum also, only she probably didn't even know that until now.

  6. #166
    I never saw Rob practice "witchcraft." And this will hurt you APs who claim you play +EV machines, but I wish I had always taken Rob's advice to quit when ahead. per A.M

    but according to your own words,.,,he uses math 95 perccent of the time, and "hopes for luck" the rest of the time. Its not very consistent ."hoping for luck" is just as good as witchcraft.

    And it makes sense to me. You have a guy practicing math and injecting the "hope for luck" here and there......and there you have the result.A guy that is expert enough to write a book 20 years ago.....and expert enough to follow his own advice and methods... If his book which seems to involve math and straying from math while" hoping for luck" was valid.....in this age ofthe internet,there would be an explosion of testimonials and interest. Heck he could set up shop in vegas and be the Wayne Newton of VP. It would be a must for first timers in vegas to pay to see him in seminars. All other VP books would be obsolete. He would be living the good life...not having to respond to nameless people here on message boards ...not even needing to carte what people here thing. Not having the time in the day to write lengthy posts of thousands of words. His work and lifestyle would speak for itself.

    John Patrick strayed from math and had methods based on who the fuck knows. Alot of it is witchcraft as well. And he was living with mommy most of his life till she died and he stayed in her home. After all the books and seminars and tv shows.....he crys that he is living in a "rathole" with no way out. It seems alot of gamblers that rely on "hoping for luck" live in their own personal"rathole' of life.

    I dont know what singers "rathole" is......but I suspect that its not something I would covet.

    it seems to me the real successful people in gambling are unaware and dont give a shit what happens here or WOv or GF or anyother message board. I doubt before jail, Billy Walters cared what people said about him here,or on WoV or GF. He had bigger fish to fry. He didnt need to convince a dozen or 2 strangers that he had his own jets, and golf courses. He was too busy making and spending his money.

  7. #167
    LarryS you're off base here. First, Rob says he follows conventional strategy 95%+ of the time. Before you joined this forum there was a lengthy discussion here about how Rob won a huge jackpot playing conventional and didn't use his special play.

    Regarding his luck comments-- we all hope to get lucky.

  8. #168
    Larry seems to base all his assumptions on whoever this Patrick character is. Yes I play by the math 95%+ of the time. But the other up to 5% deviations are all based on mathematical parameters, as clearly identified in the videos Alan put up. These hands utilize very sensible trade-offs, where a higher % opportunity for a push or a small winner is given up for a slightly lower opportunity for a big winner.

    Whatever your beef with whatever Patrick does, it's very unwise to assume I do anything like him. I can also expect someone like that has at least 5 fewer years of college education than I do, and the only "mommy" I live with is my wife of 39 years....as we travel between "rathole" homes we paid for in several different states, driving our "junker" RV.

    Let me suggest you study those videos a bit and see if you can understand the math behind them. Answers to any questions are just a moment away--and training in Reno or Tahoe is free.

  9. #169
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Larry seems to base all his assumptions on whoever this Patrick character is. Yes I play by the math 95%+ of the time. But the other up to 5% deviations are all based on mathematical parameters, as clearly identified in the videos Alan put up. These hands utilize very sensible trade-offs, where a higher % opportunity for a push or a small winner is given up for a slightly lower opportunity for a big winner.

    Whatever your beef with whatever Patrick does, it's very unwise to assume I do anything like him. I can also expect someone like that has at least 5 fewer years of college education than I do, and the only "mommy" I live with is my wife of 39 years....as we travel between "rathole" homes we paid for in several different states, driving our "junker" RV.

    Let me suggest you study those videos a bit and see if you can understand the math behind them. Answers to any questions are just a moment away--and training in Reno or Tahoe is free.
    Hey, Rob. Before you got banned you said you sold the RV. Remember? You must have used the proceeds to buy that slightly newer one in the pic in the other thread.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #170
    mickey the RV thing is on such a different level than you're used to. I have two now--45' motorhome and a 20' camper. But I steal electricity wherever I can, and I pan handle for the petrol. Can you relate?

  11. #171
    We lost Boz because of Argentino's return. Now it looks like we lost monet for the same reason.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 04-13-2018 at 11:20 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #172
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    We lost Box because of Argentino's return. Now it looks like we lost monet for the same reason.
    I wouldn't say that Rob Singer is the sole reason of me posting less or not at all. I was looking over his theories on YouTube with Alan and they are out there. I mean if you go through the first 10 you will see he says he won't hold 567 suited if he has an Ace High because he is going for big wins and makes 4 aces all the time from one ace but never makes straight flushes with 3 sequential cards. I dunno... I always give people grief over Royals and Straight Flushes because I seem to make them as much as the cycle says I will. I certainly know that holding something like 456 suited is always stronger versus a lone ace in most games. Oddly enough a few holds later he says he wants to hold something like JT98 suited over the made straight like JT987. He also says that something like QJT9 suited is better than holding KQJT9. This is some serious deviations. He tries to say they are very close but they aren't. He says something where he never holds an inside straight draw in any game but I played 10/7/5 DB for almost two decades and it is clear that the inside straight is almost always the correct hold.

    Anyways that doesn't really matter. I mean this guy is the only person I know against every method an AP uses when it comes to strategy. If his method worked he would have a huge following like Dancer. Even though I don't really agree with Dancer on many things I am not going to go against him when it comes to VP Strategy.

    Now Rob, says this basically only works on single line but it seems he is saying it works on every single line version of machine in all Casinos. If the meters really didn't matter the Casinos would still be offering full pay games all over the place like 20 years ago. I mean literally all the Casinos were offering full pay Deuces and Jokers... they even offered 10/6 Jacks at places. The Orleans had a Deuce Game over 101% at 50 cents for some time until they banished a bunch of APs. If Robs way was the way we would of heard and seen the changes by now.

    I knew another guy with a similar background like Rob. He was a savant. He used to throw two pair away all the time in 16/10 deuces because he said he saw patterns and that holding two pair in a deuce game was just plain wrong no matter what the pay scale or strategy said. He was really huge on trying to find a pattern on Video Keno and never found it. I am not saying that machines are 100% random but they are random from the players perspective unless they can get into the RNG and see from the inside. Anyways this all really doesn't matter. He does and says what he does and says and that is fine. I am amazed at the members who are on his side. Either they just enjoy the wars or they really don't understand AP or gambling and they believe like the general public that it is impossible to beat the Casino.

    Whatever the reasons it really doesn't matter. I came to these boards and was amazed that nobody wanted to talk about plays and mailers in a public forum. I kinda wanted to change that and show many plays that can help players that want help or want to learn or see what has been going on for a long time in Vegas. I shared almost everything I want to share. I even decided to take things a bit further and share many stories of my life history. I don't know the reason I guess I was just trying to show people that I'm a real person and not just some guy behind a computer trying to start wars or call people names.

    I never was against the APs in what they do. I know they know how to get advantages and find leaks in the Casino and they understand how to make easy money. My dispute was how they wanted to paint themselves like honest gamblers who never do anything shady and despise anyone who does lie, cheat or steal.

    So... yes a few people here enjoy my stories and advice and take from the advice want they want. I was never forcing my advice on anyone. I always said it is up to the individual to use the information and believe want they want. If it helps them that is fine if it doesn't that is ok too... just move along and show us something better. Not too many people really want to show us how to do it or how to do it better. I tried but it is clear the APs don't want me to talk about mailers and plays and the anti APs don't believe anything I say so I don't see much reason to keep posting very much.

    I was going to find some mistakes or promotions in the Vegas area and when I found them I was going to share them publicly or if mailers changed or whatever. The problem is that nobody wants that information and since all the hostility I just figure why even try anymore. It is kinda like when you see someone playing bad or a bad version of Video Poker next to you and they ask you for advice and you tell them the advice and they say oh that can't be right... your wrong... I'm holding it this way anyways no matter what you say.

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    We lost Box because of Argentino's return. Now it looks like we lost monet for the same reason.
    I wouldn't say that Rob Singer is the sole reason of me posting less or not at all. I was looking over his theories on YouTube with Alan and they are out there. I mean if you go through the first 10 you will see he says he won't hold 567 suited if he has an Ace High because he is going for big wins and makes 4 aces all the time from one ace but never makes straight flushes with 3 sequential cards. I dunno... I always give people grief over Royals and Straight Flushes because I seem to make them as much as the cycle says I will. I certainly know that holding something like 456 suited is always stronger versus a lone ace in most games. Oddly enough a few holds later he says he wants to hold something like JT98 suited over the made straight like JT987. He also says that something like QJT9 suited is better than holding KQJT9. This is some serious deviations. He tries to say they are very close but they aren't. He says something where he never holds an inside straight draw in any game but I played 10/7/5 DB for almost two decades and it is clear that the inside straight is almost always the correct hold.

    Anyways that doesn't really matter. I mean this guy is the only person I know against every method an AP uses when it comes to strategy. If his method worked he would have a huge following like Dancer. Even though I don't really agree with Dancer on many things I am not going to go against him when it comes to VP Strategy.

    Now Rob, says this basically only works on single line but it seems he is saying it works on every single line version of machine in all Casinos. If the meters really didn't matter the Casinos would still be offering full pay games all over the place like 20 years ago. I mean literally all the Casinos were offering full pay Deuces and Jokers... they even offered 10/6 Jacks at places. The Orleans had a Deuce Game over 101% at 50 cents for some time until they banished a bunch of APs. If Robs way was the way we would of heard and seen the changes by now.

    I knew another guy with a similar background like Rob. He was a savant. He used to throw two pair away all the time in 16/10 deuces because he said he saw patterns and that holding two pair in a deuce game was just plain wrong no matter what the pay scale or strategy said. He was really huge on trying to find a pattern on Video Keno and never found it. I am not saying that machines are 100% random but they are random from the players perspective unless they can get into the RNG and see from the inside. Anyways this all really doesn't matter. He does and says what he does and says and that is fine. I am amazed at the members who are on his side. Either they just enjoy the wars or they really don't understand AP or gambling and they believe like the general public that it is impossible to beat the Casino.

    Whatever the reasons it really doesn't matter. I came to these boards and was amazed that nobody wanted to talk about plays and mailers in a public forum. I kinda wanted to change that and show many plays that can help players that want help or want to learn or see what has been going on for a long time in Vegas. I shared almost everything I want to share. I even decided to take things a bit further and share many stories of my life history. I don't know the reason I guess I was just trying to show people that I'm a real person and not just some guy behind a computer trying to start wars or call people names.

    I never was against the APs in what they do. I know they know how to get advantages and find leaks in the Casino and they understand how to make easy money. My dispute was how they wanted to paint themselves like honest gamblers who never do anything shady and despise anyone who does lie, cheat or steal.

    So... yes a few people here enjoy my stories and advice and take from the advice want they want. I was never forcing my advice on anyone. I always said it is up to the individual to use the information and believe want they want. If it helps them that is fine if it doesn't that is ok too... just move along and show us something better. Not too many people really want to show us how to do it or how to do it better. I tried but it is clear the APs don't want me to talk about mailers and plays and the anti APs don't believe anything I say so I don't see much reason to keep posting very much.

    I was going to find some mistakes or promotions in the Vegas area and when I found them I was going to share them publicly or if mailers changed or whatever. The problem is that nobody wants that information and since all the hostility I just figure why even try anymore. It is kinda like when you see someone playing bad or a bad version of Video Poker next to you and they ask you for advice and you tell them the advice and they say oh that can't be right... your wrong... I'm holding it this way anyways no matter what you say.
    monet you are so far off in some of your assumptions that it has got to be making a dumbo like mickeycrimm giddy. It would takes too much to correct anything here. But I'll pass this on: I'm a simple person with a complex strategy; what I've developed evolved from the mind of a former AP with an EE degree and an MBA heavy on statistics. You make it sound like what the rest of them do when they get frustrated with trying to understand it. (See redietz for proof). The special plays that deviate from expert play are important, yes. But they encompass no more than 5% of my game, and in fact having the proper discipline to perform exactly as required by the structured strategy is even more important. There really is a lot more to it, unless you choose to throw profanities and lies and name-call like mickey does over this. That's the easy way out.

  14. #174
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    We lost Box because of Argentino's return. Now it looks like we lost monet for the same reason.
    I wouldn't say that Rob Singer is the sole reason of me posting less or not at all. I was looking over his theories on YouTube with Alan and they are out there. I mean if you go through the first 10 you will see he says he won't hold 567 suited if he has an Ace High because he is going for big wins and makes 4 aces all the time from one ace but never makes straight flushes with 3 sequential cards. I dunno... I always give people grief over Royals and Straight Flushes because I seem to make them as much as the cycle says I will. I certainly know that holding something like 456 suited is always stronger versus a lone ace in most games. Oddly enough a few holds later he says he wants to hold something like JT98 suited over the made straight like JT987. He also says that something like QJT9 suited is better than holding KQJT9. This is some serious deviations. He tries to say they are very close but they aren't. He says something where he never holds an inside straight draw in any game but I played 10/7/5 DB for almost two decades and it is clear that the inside straight is almost always the correct hold.

    Anyways that doesn't really matter. I mean this guy is the only person I know against every method an AP uses when it comes to strategy. If his method worked he would have a huge following like Dancer. Even though I don't really agree with Dancer on many things I am not going to go against him when it comes to VP Strategy.

    Now Rob, says this basically only works on single line but it seems he is saying it works on every single line version of machine in all Casinos. If the meters really didn't matter the Casinos would still be offering full pay games all over the place like 20 years ago. I mean literally all the Casinos were offering full pay Deuces and Jokers... they even offered 10/6 Jacks at places. The Orleans had a Deuce Game over 101% at 50 cents for some time until they banished a bunch of APs. If Robs way was the way we would of heard and seen the changes by now.

    I knew another guy with a similar background like Rob. He was a savant. He used to throw two pair away all the time in 16/10 deuces because he said he saw patterns and that holding two pair in a deuce game was just plain wrong no matter what the pay scale or strategy said. He was really huge on trying to find a pattern on Video Keno and never found it. I am not saying that machines are 100% random but they are random from the players perspective unless they can get into the RNG and see from the inside. Anyways this all really doesn't matter. He does and says what he does and says and that is fine. I am amazed at the members who are on his side. Either they just enjoy the wars or they really don't understand AP or gambling and they believe like the general public that it is impossible to beat the Casino.

    Whatever the reasons it really doesn't matter. I came to these boards and was amazed that nobody wanted to talk about plays and mailers in a public forum. I kinda wanted to change that and show many plays that can help players that want help or want to learn or see what has been going on for a long time in Vegas. I shared almost everything I want to share. I even decided to take things a bit further and share many stories of my life history. I don't know the reason I guess I was just trying to show people that I'm a real person and not just some guy behind a computer trying to start wars or call people names.

    I never was against the APs in what they do. I know they know how to get advantages and find leaks in the Casino and they understand how to make easy money. My dispute was how they wanted to paint themselves like honest gamblers who never do anything shady and despise anyone who does lie, cheat or steal.

    So... yes a few people here enjoy my stories and advice and take from the advice want they want. I was never forcing my advice on anyone. I always said it is up to the individual to use the information and believe want they want. If it helps them that is fine if it doesn't that is ok too... just move along and show us something better. Not too many people really want to show us how to do it or how to do it better. I tried but it is clear the APs don't want me to talk about mailers and plays and the anti APs don't believe anything I say so I don't see much reason to keep posting very much.

    I was going to find some mistakes or promotions in the Vegas area and when I found them I was going to share them publicly or if mailers changed or whatever. The problem is that nobody wants that information and since all the hostility I just figure why even try anymore. It is kinda like when you see someone playing bad or a bad version of Video Poker next to you and they ask you for advice and you tell them the advice and they say oh that can't be right... your wrong... I'm holding it this way anyways no matter what you say.
    monet you are so far off in some of your assumptions that it has got to be making a dumbo like mickeycrimm giddy. It would takes too much to correct anything here. But I'll pass this on: I'm a simple person with a complex strategy; what I've developed evolved from the mind of a former AP with an EE degree and an MBA heavy on statistics. You make it sound like what the rest of them do when they get frustrated with trying to understand it. (See redietz for proof). The special plays that deviate from expert play are important, yes. But they encompass no more than 5% of my game, and in fact having the proper discipline to perform exactly as required by the structured strategy is even more important. There really is a lot more to it, unless you choose to throw profanities and lies and name-call like mickey does over this. That's the easy way out.
    More quackery.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #175
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    We lost Box because of Argentino's return. Now it looks like we lost monet for the same reason.
    I wouldn't say that Rob Singer is the sole reason of me posting less or not at all. I was looking over his theories on YouTube with Alan and they are out there. I mean if you go through the first 10 you will see he says he won't hold 567 suited if he has an Ace High because he is going for big wins and makes 4 aces all the time from one ace but never makes straight flushes with 3 sequential cards. I dunno... I always give people grief over Royals and Straight Flushes because I seem to make them as much as the cycle says I will. I certainly know that holding something like 456 suited is always stronger versus a lone ace in most games. Oddly enough a few holds later he says he wants to hold something like JT98 suited over the made straight like JT987. He also says that something like QJT9 suited is better than holding KQJT9. This is some serious deviations. He tries to say they are very close but they aren't. He says something where he never holds an inside straight draw in any game but I played 10/7/5 DB for almost two decades and it is clear that the inside straight is almost always the correct hold.

    Anyways that doesn't really matter. I mean this guy is the only person I know against every method an AP uses when it comes to strategy. If his method worked he would have a huge following like Dancer. Even though I don't really agree with Dancer on many things I am not going to go against him when it comes to VP Strategy.

    Now Rob, says this basically only works on single line but it seems he is saying it works on every single line version of machine in all Casinos. If the meters really didn't matter the Casinos would still be offering full pay games all over the place like 20 years ago. I mean literally all the Casinos were offering full pay Deuces and Jokers... they even offered 10/6 Jacks at places. The Orleans had a Deuce Game over 101% at 50 cents for some time until they banished a bunch of APs. If Robs way was the way we would of heard and seen the changes by now.

    I knew another guy with a similar background like Rob. He was a savant. He used to throw two pair away all the time in 16/10 deuces because he said he saw patterns and that holding two pair in a deuce game was just plain wrong no matter what the pay scale or strategy said. He was really huge on trying to find a pattern on Video Keno and never found it. I am not saying that machines are 100% random but they are random from the players perspective unless they can get into the RNG and see from the inside. Anyways this all really doesn't matter. He does and says what he does and says and that is fine. I am amazed at the members who are on his side. Either they just enjoy the wars or they really don't understand AP or gambling and they believe like the general public that it is impossible to beat the Casino.

    Whatever the reasons it really doesn't matter. I came to these boards and was amazed that nobody wanted to talk about plays and mailers in a public forum. I kinda wanted to change that and show many plays that can help players that want help or want to learn or see what has been going on for a long time in Vegas. I shared almost everything I want to share. I even decided to take things a bit further and share many stories of my life history. I don't know the reason I guess I was just trying to show people that I'm a real person and not just some guy behind a computer trying to start wars or call people names.

    I never was against the APs in what they do. I know they know how to get advantages and find leaks in the Casino and they understand how to make easy money. My dispute was how they wanted to paint themselves like honest gamblers who never do anything shady and despise anyone who does lie, cheat or steal.

    So... yes a few people here enjoy my stories and advice and take from the advice want they want. I was never forcing my advice on anyone. I always said it is up to the individual to use the information and believe want they want. If it helps them that is fine if it doesn't that is ok too... just move along and show us something better. Not too many people really want to show us how to do it or how to do it better. I tried but it is clear the APs don't want me to talk about mailers and plays and the anti APs don't believe anything I say so I don't see much reason to keep posting very much.

    I was going to find some mistakes or promotions in the Vegas area and when I found them I was going to share them publicly or if mailers changed or whatever. The problem is that nobody wants that information and since all the hostility I just figure why even try anymore. It is kinda like when you see someone playing bad or a bad version of Video Poker next to you and they ask you for advice and you tell them the advice and they say oh that can't be right... your wrong... I'm holding it this way anyways no matter what you say.
    I agree with the Singer CONCEPT because I have followed his writings for 10 years and I understand that he follows the logical play 95% of the time. Nothing like some players I observe at the casinos- holding a high card kicker with a pair, holding kickers in ddbp w/all high paying possible, etc. Almost everyone I read believe his strategy is fixed-inflexible. The main reason, IMHO, is that most pay NO attention to where they are in the game. They're just picking cards as per strategy cards. Am I his copycat? How can I be when every hand and win goal is different? For one example: I took his concept of penalty cards a step further. On a particular game I was playing that was soso, I came across two high cards- only BOTH had a small, suited penalty card. So I swept the hand and by good luck got quads. What I'm implying is I used my own mind and common sense to make a play instead of a strategy card.

  16. #176
    Here is a suggestion for Dan Druff: One of the blackjack sites that I am banned from, now has a separate subsection called "disadvantage forum". I will take partial credit for that. It was my calling out BS of a member and poster that, while it resulted in my banning, I think lead to the creation of the disadvantage forum. And now whenever someone comes along spewing complete non-sense...mathematically impossible nonsense, their posts and claims are moved to the disadvantage forum. Another site that I used to participate on before it shut down had a very similar "voodoo section".

    So, If Mr what-ever-his name is Singer, is going to be partially reinstated, perhaps such a subsection should be created and that could be the home in which he resides and is limited to. That way, this Singer-person can spew his nonsense, Dan Druff can feel good about not censoring and freedom of speech and nobody gets hurt by this persons misleading agenda.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-14-2018 at 09:36 AM.

  17. #177
    Kew, all you're doing is displaying what a phony you are. If you were really such a big deal bj "pro" (and I mean blackjack for those of you who are disgusted with his personal life ramblings) then you would have zero problem with people calling you out. And you would never concern yourself with any of the administrative issues.

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