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  1. #1
    I'm intrigued how some of the APs report how they're able to seemingly milk their free play. I haven't had that kind of luck with casino offers.

    First, I found that free play offers come only after some significant amount of real play. Second, I found that the free play starts about two months after real play. And third, I found that any free play I might get will disappear if I don't continue the real play at previous levels.

    My observations are based on what has happened at both Vegas and Southern California casinos.

    So, what am I doing wrong? Why is my ticket on this "AP gravy train" getting canceled?

  2. #2
    Why should an AP give you an answer? You just said in another thread that we are ruining the site and your buddy, Rob, says we're all full of shit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #3
    They give you free play at the bars in Montana, mickeycrimm?

    Never mind.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    They give you free play at the bars in Montana, mickeycrimm? Never mind.
    Lame response from you, Alan. No, they don't give freeplay in Montana, but they do in Oregon, Idaho, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Iowa, Illinois, which are the states I've been working the last year. And I had plenty of experience working it in Nevada before I left.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Lame response from you, Alan. No, they don't give freeplay in Montana, but they do in Oregon, Idaho, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Iowa, Illinois, which are the states I've been working the last year. And I had plenty of experience working it in Nevada before I left.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Why should an AP give you an answer? You just said in another thread that we are ruining the site and your buddy, Rob, says we're all full of shit.
    You know you're really becoming a problem here. Were you hired by Dan to monitor everyone? You're like a cop who went rogue and became a vigilantly.

    Why don't you shut your filthy fucken mouth and mind you're own business. I don't recall anyone asking you for your two-bit advice. Most here, believe it or not feel bad for you at your age. So try to participate when you should. Not with every post that's posted on every thread. You're worse than the idiot BBB.

  6. #6
    Fuck off, buttnosehole. Alan, get your advice on free play from buttnosehole. He's an expert.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #7
    Alan, go to that Hot Sucker thread. That pretty much explains the best way to do it.

    I don’t think you got the stomach to drift around an assortment of Vegas casinos like a homeless AP trying to earn a free meal.

    Below is just a couple of the highlights and strategies Monet pointed out from different casinos.

    Max Mailers at this time are 50 dollars a week X 4 or 5 weeks and you will get decent Comp per 10 day intervals usually 40 x 3 to have a meal.

    After putting in this amount I get 20 to 25 dollars a week x 4 and 25 in food and a 2 night stay per card.

    The max you can get is 100 every two weeks and for locals you will get 100 comp added to your account every two months.


    Of course, you could probably do better with additional cards. LOL

  8. #8
    Remember, buttnosehole, your hero slob dinger, says all AP's are lying so you better not take monet's word for it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #9
    I'm not an AP but to the extent I milk free play to subsidize, cover and/or make a few bucks it's all about maintaining the level of play. But once you are in the system and receiving offers you can maintain those levels more or almost entirely by using the free play as your bankroll and maintaining the levels by playing on off of what you converted the free play to. This doesn't mean losing the money you got from running the FP through once, but rather using what you won off of it to play more and keep your coin in levels up, leave with what's left and return. Use those leftovers some day when you need a few extra $ of your own to maintain your coin in level when you're not able to get enough coin in off recycling the FP generated cash to maintain your play levels. With discipline however, which I'm assuming the AP fellows have, you should be able to make a few bucks.

    You have some crazy day where you gambled a lot and ran up a higher than normal coin in level and subsequently got higher offers? You can either use that to maintain your normal level of play, which will take your future offers down to your normal level, or leverage that to increase your normal coin in levels so that your normal offers start coming in as somewhat higher.

    This doesn't work everywhere. Get a big win off of this exercise at some places and you'll see your future offers cut even though your coin in levels haven't changed (but you'll have the $ from the big win to console you). Other places will only go so high on their offers. For example, no matter how much coin in I get at CP in Vegas, my regular offers never go above $600 (I got $750 a while back that time when they sent everyone higher offers, I believe that was discussed here). Some places will also consider your comp use and gifts you pick up - like if you have comp points piled up and use them to eat or shop at their gift shop in a big chunk, or use your food offers, or pick up giveaways. I'm assuming that the AP fellows have a feel for all of this at the places they play.

    But some places don't care. A couple places I have played at did invite only giveaways for play - like get $x in gift cards for every so many points earned over a period, or earn x points and get a big screen TV, stuff like that. Guaranteed items not drawings (I ignore those personally). There were a number of those where I got the item, earned a ton of points, won real money and left up to boot while playing to get the points, then a couple of months later got way higher FP offers and gift card offer giveaways (i.e. come in x day and get $x Shell card kind of thing) for a couple months because of that higher coin in visit.

    But you can't in my experience just go run the free play through once and leave with what $ you make and continue to get offers. They'll eventually disappear. This is my experience as a regular player. The AP guys must know something though that there'd even be a market for player cards like discussed in that WOV thread on here where someone's daughter got scammed. If I know I'm not going to be traveling somewhere in the foreseeable future, I will do this because if I'm not coming back I don't care about my future offers, and just take the money in pocket and go.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Alan, go to that Hot Sucker thread. That pretty much explains the best way to do it.

    I don’t think you got the stomach to drift around an assortment of Vegas casinos like a homeless AP trying to earn a free meal.

    Below is just a couple of the highlights and strategies Monet pointed out from different casinos.

    Max Mailers at this time are 50 dollars a week X 4 or 5 weeks and you will get decent Comp per 10 day intervals usually 40 x 3 to have a meal.

    After putting in this amount I get 20 to 25 dollars a week x 4 and 25 in food and a 2 night stay per card.

    The max you can get is 100 every two weeks and for locals you will get 100 comp added to your account every two months.


    Of course, you could probably do better with additional cards. LOL
    Mr Hole, don’t you think you should be more concerned with milking your ol’lady instead of free play?...just sayin’

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Mr Hole, don’t you think you should be more concerned with milking your ol’lady instead of free play?...just sayin’
    You have absolutely nothing.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Mr Hole, don’t you think you should be more concerned with milking your ol’lady instead of free play?...just sayin’
    You have absolutely nothing.
    Ask your wife..she may disagree with you on that

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Ask your wife..she may disagree with you on that
    LOL, now that at least is funny.

  14. #14
    Gentlemen, gentlemen: must you drag each other's wives into your flame fest?

    What's next: "Your kid's uglier than my kid?"

    *shakes head*

    Just compare cock size and be done with it.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #15
    This thread is a PRIME EXAMPLE of what happens to all of the threads here. Alan put up a legitimate gambling-related thought, there was one or two respectable replies, and the rest of it was hijacked by mickeycrimm and another forum-hater like him.

    mickey constantly whines like a little wussy and then his true colors show. Once again, too much brain matter deterioration and a lack of life-civility are the causes. Getting caught in his own trap ought not sit well with the bonehead.

  16. #16
    You just have to roll with it. People like Keystone who have absolutely nothing to offer, yet, want to post and be recognized can obviously only offer what they have. In Keystone's case, what you read is what you get...NOTHING

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You just have to roll with it. People like Keystone who have absolutely nothing to offer, yet, want to post and be recognized can obviously only offer what they have. In Keystone's case, what you read is what you get...NOTHING
    Ah yes, you have offered up so much...all one can get from your posting history is that you’re a miserable with life, uneducated, cantankerous (google it lol) old man that hates queers, AP’s, and life in general

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Gentlemen, gentlemen: must you drag each other's wives into your flame fest?

    What's next: "Your kid's uglier than my kid?"

    *shakes head*

    Just compare cock size and be done with it.
    Monet is the one casino "AP" (among a couple of others of different stripes) in my travels on these sites who intuitively, logically and consistently rings true to form. There may, of course, be others, but the others didn't make such a full and plausible case for themselves.

    If happiness is the constancy in the background of life, he meets that mark too. Can't recall the last guy on the sites who could find a good word for everyone, day in and day out.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This thread is a PRIME EXAMPLE of what happens to all of the threads here. Alan put up a legitimate gambling-related thought, there was one or two respectable replies, and the rest of it was hijacked by mickeycrimm and another forum-hater like him.

    mickey constantly whines like a little wussy and then his true colors show. Once again, too much brain matter deterioration and a lack of life-civility are the causes. Getting caught in his own trap ought not sit well with the bonehead.
    Don't constantly bash AP's and you might get some advice when you ask.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm intrigued how some of the APs report how they're able to seemingly milk their free play. I haven't had that kind of luck with casino offers.

    First, I found that free play offers come only after some significant amount of real play. Second, I found that the free play starts about two months after real play. And third, I found that any free play I might get will disappear if I don't continue the real play at previous levels.

    My observations are based on what has happened at both Vegas and Southern California casinos.

    So, what am I doing wrong? Why is my ticket on this "AP gravy train" getting canceled?
    Times have changed in Las Vegas. Casinos have either tightened up or have gotten a little smarter with marketing and the money isn't flowing as strong as it was in the 90's and 2000's. Years ago you used to be able to just play one time and generate good mailers and later go back and just pull off the mail for awhile before they would cut you. You could gauge it because it wouldn't just fall off completely. You knew that it would start at something like 6 x 100 in FP and if you didn't play it would slowly go down and you could manipulate it with minimum play to keep it floating. Of course crews and players abused this for a long time and the Casino started getting hip to the maneuvers. Nothing lasts forever and things always change in Vegas. They have plenty of leaks but they tend to plug up the holes eventually.

    So in current conditions it is even more difficult to run multiple cards. When I run someone else's players card I either have that person playing or just sitting next to me in case of a lock up. If they aren't with me I try to play lower denomination where the machine doesn't lock up even if you hit a Royal or if I know the employees and Casino well enough I know that I can get away with a hand pay and using another card. I usually only play on graveyard because you won't have a host or manager walk up to your machine and introduce themselves. These days you want to mix your play up and it seems if your going to play Video Poker in most places you are going to need higher levels of Coin In to generate good mailers. Many of the Casinos will cut you off abruptly if you don't play enough or if you only play certain games.

    The best places that I play at are the Palms and Stations... they don't cut your free play right off and they let you slide only playing VP on point days but don't show win after win after win. You need to figure out ways to show losses as usual. Even more so these days and IMO you need to learn how to mix in Reel Play. You may even want to mix in some Dice or BJ play as well. Now downtown the Horseshoe and 4 Queens are still solid. You can play 100% games with a decent card and if you maintain your coin in they will always send you the same exact mail. However they take awhile to jump start your mail... about 3 months or so and 4 months to get it to maximum and after that you just need to keep up your play. You can gauge them better because it will slowly fall off so when you go from the 100 FP to the 75 FP you know you need to put in x amount of coin in to climb back up.

    I have plenty of more information to share but I think this is enough to help you understand if your serious about this. I don't know if your just posting this to generate fights or are serious about how to earn and keep FP in Las Vegas. Recently the forum threads have kinda gotten ugly with a lot of name calling. As usual I don't mind throwing my advice in the mix when asked about current Las Vegas conditions and Free Play or gambling in general.

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