Milking Free Play

[monet]

I don’t get a couple of things. Let’s say you earned 6 / 7 hundred dollars of free play per week for a month chopped up between four or five different casino groups, along with a burger and coke for each couple of day or week period.

How much coin did you have to put in to get that?

Do these free play tickets cover your loses while earning them in the first place?

Don’t you have to play through each free play once before it becomes your cash to take home?

I don’t see any free play exceeding $100.00 and most are for $50.00 per casino per group date. Let’s say each time you try to play through the one time amount you don’t win anything. How much of your own money do you have to put in to earn those free play tickets again?

Like that ass-hole Max-Pen said you showed us how to earn 40 or 50 K a year in free play. Yes, you sure did. You didn’t show us how much it cost in loses to earn that.

Where I really get stomped is when you tell me the casinos are giving you 50K in free play per year with food, cruises, a warm place to sleep, enough gifts it sounds like where you could open your own thrift shop instead of handing them out for free, and you could earn six figure annual profits from winnings.

Knowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.

Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.

If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.

Why did you have to break it down for him like that? You forgot to factor in point days or just that you always play on a .3 cashback card. Anyways I never understood why you gave him such a hard time. Many of these members are in serious war with other members getting vulgar with one another. I try to stay out of that as much as possible.

He also thinks you only get a free burger and coke. That's not the case. I can literally eat in the Steak House every night of my choice in the Casinos I play at. He also thinks you have to lose to earn these mailers which is also false.

Anyways I'm tired of trying to teach or help. I typed out so much information in my posts here and at WoV it is just too simple to understand. Although I kinda understand not getting it because when people were teaching me cherry pies, diamond mines and boom machines I didn't get it right away either. When they showed me 101% video poker games and strategy I didn't get it either. I finally got it when the money started rolling in on point days and promotions and the cards back then were .6 off the jump. I really understood it when free play offers rolled in and hosts gave me large comps for little play back then. The list goes on and on. It's not as easy these days but it still is viable. The Problem is believing in it. Sometimes people just never will accept you can beat machines.

[mickeycrimm]

You guys caught me finally. I actually live in the LA area collecting public assistance. I am currently at the library and my internet time is up. It has been fun playing make believe for 2 years. Since I'm caught I guess it's no fun to post anymore. It was fun while it lasted... back under the bridge to my sleeping bag for me.

Argentino is a super sleuth and he caught me lying too. It's time to fess up. Like monet I use the computers at the libraries to make posts. I've been lying the whole time about being a successful gambler. Everything I said I know about machines I learned on the forums. I've never been in a casino. And I never quit drinking. Damn, what a hangover. I was drinking ripple in the alleyway last night. Got the money for the wine working a sign.

I hitchhike and ride the rails around the country, staying at missions, eating in the soup kitchens, and working a sign. One of my signs said "VETERAN-ANYTHING HELPS." A cop accused me of using stolen valor. I told him I wasn't talking about being in the military I was talking about being a veteran hobo. He didn't buy it and told me I had to change the sign. So now my sign says 'WHY LIE-I NEED A BEER.

After eating at the Sally yesterday I went by the office and got a voucher for a change of clothes in the thrift shop. I take a shower about once a week at the Mission. I hate the Mission. You have to take an ear banging (listen to the preacher) before they'll feed ya.

But things are looking up. I've found a new vocation. Dumpster diving for aluminum cans. I'm getting 55 cents a pound. Hey, that's almost 2 cents a can. I'm trying to stay out of the Missions. It stinks. To many smelly feet. I bought a $2 sleeping bag at the Sally Thrift Store with my can money. I boosted a can of scotchguard out of Walmart and sprayed the bag down to keep the rain out.

I'm glad I got all that off my chest. It was really getting to be a drag living a lie like that. So, Rob, you can tell your son-in-law at the IRS it's a false alarm. I was lying the whole time. I have to go pick up my food stamps now. But I'll be back to the library later today. It's not a bad place for a homeless person to hang out. I'll have to wait my turn on the computer to make another post.

[blackhole]

Okay, let’s assume comps, free play, etc. is doable playing on point days or whatever.

How does that compute to six-digit profits in a year?

Like I said before this is a nice resume for one year’s work. I didn’t even look for more.

"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."

How did you do all this?

[monet]

Okay, let’s assume comps, free play, etc. is doable playing on point days or whatever.

How does that compute to six-digit profits in a year?

Like I said before this is a nice resume for one year’s work. I didn’t even look for more.

"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."

How did you do all this?

Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.

[blackhole]

Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.

At least you're honest.

[mickeycrimm]

I don’t get a couple of things. Let’s say you earned 6 / 7 hundred dollars of free play per week for a month chopped up between four or five different casino groups, along with a burger and coke for each couple of day or week period.

How much coin did you have to put in to get that?

Do these free play tickets cover your loses while earning them in the first place?

Don’t you have to play through each free play once before it becomes your cash to take home?

I don’t see any free play exceeding $100.00 and most are for $50.00 per casino per group date. Let’s say each time you try to play through the one time amount you don’t win anything. How much of your own money do you have to put in to earn those free play tickets again?

Like that ass-hole Max-Pen said you showed us how to earn 40 or 50 K a year in free play. Yes, you sure did. You didn’t show us how much it cost in loses to earn that.

Where I really get stomped is when you tell me the casinos are giving you 50K in free play per year with food, cruises, a warm place to sleep, enough gifts it sounds like where you could open your own thrift shop instead of handing them out for free, and you could earn six figure annual profits from winnings.

Knowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.

Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.

If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.

Why did you have to break it down for him like that? You forgot to factor in point days or just that you always play on a .3 cashback card. Anyways I never understood why you gave him such a hard time. Many of these members are in serious war with other members getting vulgar with one another. I try to stay out of that as much as possible.

He also thinks you only get a free burger and coke. That's not the case. I can literally eat in the Steak House every night of my choice in the Casinos I play at. He also thinks you have to lose to earn these mailers which is also false.

Anyways I'm tired of trying to teach or help. I typed out so much information in my posts here and at WoV it is just too simple to understand. Although I kinda understand not getting it because when people were teaching me cherry pies, diamond mines and boom machines I didn't get it right away either. When they showed me 101% video poker games and strategy I didn't get it either. I finally got it when the money started rolling in on point days and promotions and the cards back then were .6 off the jump. I really understood it when free play offers rolled in and hosts gave me large comps for little play back then. The list goes on and on. It's not as easy these days but it still is viable. The Problem is believing in it. Sometimes people just never will accept you can beat machines.

Okay, I'm back from picking up my food stamps and a computer was open at the library.

I didn't forget the card, just didn't put it in. It's to much information for them all at once. They are never going to do anything with the information anyway. I've been around here a lot longer than you. Mendelson is a troll. He's just more polite than Argentino. I'm surprised he hasn't hammered you like he has hammered me in the past. He has literally called every bit of advice I've given bullshit. But he's polite when he does it. You can see by his equating buy-in money to freeplay and comp that he's off kilter. The one thing he does well is come up with a lot of questions. Just expect to be very politely told that your answers are bullshit. At least that is what he has done to me.

And BH has to throw in that burger and coke bullshit to get a dig in. That's why these assholes don't deserve to be told anything. But like I said they ain't ever going to do anything with the information anyway.

[slingshot]

Next up a Stations Mailer... Recently I found the max mailer to be at 1250 but after 2 months of not giving much play they dropped me to 900...

These items are completely misleading, and a truthful answer to blackhole's question wouldn't have hurt.

As a non-local who is ahead of Stations this and last year, my free play and hotel offers stopped as soon as I got ahead. We like staying at GVR & RR so now, even with a President's card, I have to pay. I COULD probably call a host and beg for a free room, but I never talk to hosts. I'd prefer to win the cash by setting my trip win goal a little higher that covers the room and that's exactly what I do.

So for monet to be receiving the 3 & 4-figure free play offers, he's losing. And I'm not believing for a second that such a heavy gambler has the discipline to ever walk into a casino to play his free play thru once and leave. He does exactly what the casino reels him in to do--put the free play ticket in, lose it, the start feeding in the cash.

This seems to be the actual casino happenings. I had a winning day and when I went to one of their kiosks before heading home, I got a free drawing offer and "THERE ARE NO OFFERS AT THIS TIME." on the screen.

[pkspins]

Getting back to my original post...

What percentage of your actual monthly coin-in should you expect to see in free play offers? And once you ONLY use the free play and NONE of your own money how long will those mailers continue?

Monthly in my experience is less relevant than coin in per visit. The value of getting you to come is based on how much you play when you show up. Play a lot each time you go and your offers will reflect that by being higher, and the converse is true for low play. You can go once typically and play a lot and then receive offers for every week or twice a week that are based on just that one visit. Free play wise in my experience in a number of different areas I've been to in my travels is all about getting you in the door and the potential value of that visit to them. It depends on the place whether how much you won on that visit impacts your offers - some don't care and just look at coin-in, others care and will offer you more as an inducement to get you in to lose what you won, some figure you will come back anyway because you're so lucky and you have money so their offers are minimal or non-existent.

Every casino is different but there's a period of time each one considers when making offers. You can get a feel for this by looking at your historical offers and seeing when they've changed vs. how you played. Often you can find this out from a host or the casino if you get to chatting. Like one local I go to I know they use 3 months of play and there's 2 months lag, so if I play a lot this month (April) I won't start seeing better offers until July, but the best offers won't come until August.

In my experience it usually takes 2 months at least for the offers to go down or disappear once you start just going, playing the free play through once and leaving with the cash, and going in to pick up offered items like gift cards without playing. Sometimes you can get longer - it depends on how competitive the local market is. In one local market that had a number of casinos, there was one I played at some but didn't like so just went in to work off my FP offers until they went down to the amount it wasn't worth pursuing and quit going. Instead of sending me more FP to come back, they started sending me weekly gift card offers. I went there for a couple months at least 3 times a month, picked up the gift card and left with no play until those offers disappeared.

[blackhole]

50K a year in free play.

Free RFB, gifts, trips, entertainment, etc. all year.

Mid to high six figure profits from winnings per year.

Where do I sign up? I'll be in Nevada next month for at least 4 weeks. Maybe, I'll just stay there for all that free action and never come back to the east coast.

In fact I could bring in the whole family doing the same thing times 50, and before you know it, we should own one of those damn Casinos.

[MisterV]

Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.

At least you're honest.

That's not true; he's dishonest.

[Keystone]

50K a year in free play.

Free RFB, gifts, trips, entertainment, etc. all year.

Mid to high six figure profits from winnings per year.

Where do I sign up? I'll be in Nevada next month for at least 4 weeks. Maybe, I'll just stay there for all that free action and never come back to the east coast.

In fact I could bring in the whole family doing the same thing times 50, and before you know it, we should own one of those damn Casinos.

I doubt you could own a cardboard box condo with that education of yours...and family?... quit lying

[blackhole]

I doubt you could own a cardboard box condo with that education of yours...and family?... quit lying

Nothing ... absolutely zero, nada.

[mickeycrimm]

50K a year in free play.

Free RFB, gifts, trips, entertainment, etc. all year.

Mid to high six figure profits from winnings per year.

Where do I sign up? I'll be in Nevada next month for at least 4 weeks. Maybe, I'll just stay there for all that free action and never come back to the east coast.

In fact I could bring in the whole family doing the same thing times 50, and before you know it, we should own one of those damn Casinos.

And as you can see, monet, buttnosehole is shitting all over your answers.

[mickeycrimm]

Okay, let’s assume comps, free play, etc. is doable playing on point days or whatever.

How does that compute to six-digit profits in a year?

Like I said before this is a nice resume for one year’s work. I didn’t even look for more.

"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."

How did you do all this?

How much does someone making $100 an hour make in a year, buttnosehole?

[blackhole]

How much does someone making $100 an hour make in a year, buttnosehole?

"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."

Mickey, Isn't this level of play way out of your league? Funny how you want to defend these claims all while at the same time playing for 2-bits in Montana. Don't you want to own a casino too?

[Ozzy]

You retards are still arguing over stupid shit that is easily figured out? You pathetic losers need to get rid of your computers and get a fucking life!!

+1

At least in the days of old, the thread would go like this:

Alan: “How do u AP?”
AP: “You gotta play, wait, then pick up mail. Some places are far out of the way and/or you gotta go several times a week.”
Alan: “But I can’t go several times a week. I have a job. And I’m not willing to drive out for $X in free play.”
AP: “Okay, so is that a you problem or a me problem?”
Alan: “But the information you provided doesn’t help me because I’m not willing to do that! Plus, even if you have $100 in FP, you may end up with $80 in cash...or $150, or $50, or $500, or $0! Free play has no value!!!!!”


These threads never end well because the people (typically) asking for help or advice aren’t willing to do those things. Because they aren’t willing to do those things, they think it’s all hocus pocus. 樂

I mentioned this exact scenario the other day, you and Ibeatyouraces convincing Alan( beating a dead horse ) how AP works, for months on end...personally things are a lot more entertaining now.

[mcap]

Bottom line. Monet showed them how to fish, and dey said “why aren’t them mushed peas, carrots and bananas being fed to me, fishing too hard”

[mickeycrimm]

How much does someone making $100 an hour make in a year, buttnosehole?

"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."

Mickey, Isn't this level of play way out of your league? Funny how you want to defend these claims all while at the same time playing for 2-bits in Montana. Don't you want to own a casino too?

Nope, not out of my league. I might be the only AP that knows how to make 10K a month without taking W2-G's, buttnosehole.

[Rob.Singer]

That's funny mickey. But you forgot to add: "I also might not be the only AP living in my car" ROTFLMFAO!!

[dannyj]

I always enjoy Monet’s posts. Though I don’t live in Vegas (I’m closer to Reno) he has given me things to consider, such as, machines to play — I only play VP and never used to even consider reels. Or playing at non CET properties when in Vegas instead of the usual CP, Paris, Planet Ho strip casinos where we would be comped. Nothing earth shattering but good info.

So I for one, selfishly, don’t want to see Monet stop posting. The tax stuff is none of my business.