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  1. #101
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Since we're discussing Deuces here...

    I haven't done the calculations, but in my personal experience, the FPDW machines tend to have far less variance than the full pay JoB/BP/DDBP type machines.

    Is this true?

    Or has it just fallen that way for me?
    Hi Dan, below are the variances of the games you mentioned. FPDW has a lower variance than DDBP, but not as low as bonus poker or JOB.

    game:variance
    FPDW:25.83462
    FPBP: 20.90408
    FPJOB : 19.51468
    DDBP_9_6 : 41.98498

  2. #102
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY.
    Really?

    Wanna bet?
    He was a prolific poster then all of a sudden nothing for three weeks. He made one post to complain to Dan. I don't call that a return. Hopefully, he does come back. And if he does maybe you guys could show a little class instead of trolling him.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #103
    Holy shit... I can't imagine why someone would not come back to all this.

  4. #104
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    That's a fairly rare find nowadays when you add the 1% meter move. What's the player's card worth? Mail? Good Comps?

    Heres a question. 1) Let's pretend its a single machine and only you can play it forever. Let's assume you know all the RF breaks down to the penny. Whats it worth? Some might say you just add the 1% To the base pay but, I don't think its that simple. If you are making changes to the strategy as the meter goes up you are skewing what originally gave you that 99.96. If you just play the 99.96 strategy it doesn't seem like you get the full 1% .

    2) you always randomly go in at random and play an open bank can you now claim the full 1% meter move?
    It would seem so, however since you are probably going to be the one adding a big chunk to the meter yourself, and have to sleep, people tend to jump on progressives as they get higher.
    1. If you play it straight through non-stop with the 99.96% strategy, with a 1% meter, then you’ll just get a 100.96% return. Eventually you’ll hit the RF. Another way to think of it, imagine the 1% meter was on the 3-of-kind, certainly you’re going to be hitting that. Or another way, imagine you get paid that 1% back immediately after every hand.

    Of course that’s more of “in theory”, because IRL you have to worry about competition and whatnot.

    If you know and play variable strategy (IE: the strategy down to the penny), then I’m not sure. I’ll take a stab in the dark and say it’s worth MORE than 100.96% if played straight through, no competition, etc.

    2. On average, it’s going to be some amount above reset. Actually, very rarely is it going to be exactly at reset. Even if it’s at $4,000.01, you gain a tad of an advantage (not saying it’s worth it) over reset. So the base game will be above 99.96%* if you go in randomly. As far as claiming that 1% in the meter move, I don’t think anyone can answer that, since it entirely depends on competition and not even something you could calculate with simple theory. You’d have to know what kind of competition exists and potentially how long between your sessions (5 minutes between a session is way different than 5 weeks between a session).

    If you play it until it hits, you can claim that 1%. But if you don’t....I don’t really know how much of that 1% you could add to your EV..
    This play gets no comp or freeplay. Nothing. At one time it did. The card is worth .2% freeplay with 5X Mondays, 3X Wednesdays, 4X Thursdays. But the players club squashed it on the APDW progressive bank about a year ago.

    I don't get interested in the play until the royal gets to $8000. It's about a 2% edge then, meter not included. I have reasons for it.

    1. If I sit down on this play I'm giving up the money I make on the vulturable games so I need a good number before I'm going to do that.

    2. The higher the number the more action the bank gets. By playing lower numbers I would be jacking up the meter for everyone that comes in at higher numbers. So I can't claim much of the meter rise.

    3. It's not hard to get a seat at $8000.

    4. I get drowsy real quick playing video poker. I'm having to drink a lot of coffee, get up and walk around, etc. I much prefer the vulturable games where I'm not in the seat long then up and walking around looking for another play. Doing the vulturables also makes it easier to work in the meal breaks, answering email, phone calls, restroom breaks, etc.

    5. As stated earlier I don't like marathon video poker play. With a big fat number the 8 machine bank gets a lot of action. So then I can claim most of the meter rise. With 8 players cranking out 1000 HPH the royal is usually going to go within 4 or five hours.

    I use the strategy based on an $8000 royal. The breakpoints after that are not worth memorizing. The $8000 royal strategy has a royal frequency of 37,798. The $10,000 strategy has a royal frequency of 37,750. Not much improvement so it's not worth worrying about.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #105
    Hey alan, it’s true that playing free play from other people’s card is profitable . I do this in ac all the time, I bring in my non gambling friends to visit the beach and I make them get a players card using the same password as mine . I play on their card with my own money and then wait for the free play. It is profitable. It takes 2/4 months for the free play to be generated and u can milk it in decreasing amount for minimum 3 months in Caesers and 1 year in borgata. Imagine if u have 10/20 cards, they all get free food play on the same day in different amounts , u run them thru 9/6 jacks and ur day profit is done

  6. #106
    Hi Lucky. How do you determine the amount to run through on a fresh card the first time it's used? I check private messages which might be easier than sifting through all the petty crap in this (and most) threads here.
    Last edited by Prozema; 05-25-2018 at 05:00 AM.

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY.
    Really?

    Wanna bet?
    He was a prolific poster then all of a sudden nothing for three weeks. He made one post to complain to Dan. I don't call that a return. Hopefully, he does come back. And if he does maybe you guys could show a little class instead of trolling him.
    True or not, I always found the guy to be an interesting writer who told some cool stories....it’s a shame the self-appointed Ministers of Truth and Justice ran him out...guess that’s what happens when you have nothing better to do in life than worry if some total stranger on an internet web site is telling the truth....must be exciting lives

  8. #108
    Well said.

  9. #109
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    Hey alan, it’s true that playing free play from other people’s card is profitable . I do this in ac all the time, I bring in my non gambling friends to visit the beach and I make them get a players card using the same password as mine . I play on their card with my own money and then wait for the free play. It is profitable. It takes 2/4 months for the free play to be generated and u can milk it in decreasing amount for minimum 3 months in Caesers and 1 year in borgata. Imagine if u have 10/20 cards, they all get free food play on the same day in different amounts , u run them thru 9/6 jacks and ur day profit is done
    I maybe should ask this question on the east coast treads but since you mentioned A.C do you have a thought on the best casino to run a lot of action in a day as per Dan's idea of getting good mailers to get you back.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  10. #110
    In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I kid u not. They give u big but they dry up fast. At borgata they give u little but the free play stays longer . I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that. Borgata is different, they send a smaller amount but it stays for many months

  11. #111
    Hey lucky before I believe that your free play is profitable I want to know how much coin in you had to get the free play, what the ACTUAL return was on your coin in, and then how much free play followed till it disappeared because you didn't maintain your previous coin in levels. Show me those spread sheets and then I'll believe.

    By the way, $1000 on a card in many casinos doesn't even get you $5 in Vegas. It gets you nothing with Station Casinos. Forget about it with MGM and Caesars.

  12. #112
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hey lucky before I believe that your free play is profitable I want to know how much coin in you had to get the free play, what the ACTUAL return was on your coin in, and then how much free play followed till it disappeared because you didn't maintain your previous coin in levels. Show me those spread sheets and then I'll believe.

    By the way, $1000 on a card in many casinos doesn't even get you $5 in Vegas. It gets you nothing with Station Casinos. Forget about it with MGM and Caesars.
    I’m sure that’s life encompassing to him

  13. #113
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that.
    Sorry. Too hard to believe.

  14. #114
    Thanks Lucky

  15. #115
    Welcome,prozema....Alan I play the 1000 in one day on slots, do I make a profit from playing free play , well I haven’t worked last 3 years. Do I care whether u believe it or not, no.....I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not

  16. #116
    I was hoping Borgata would be good. I like that place. It's cool how they have the casino mapped out so you can find any machine on the floor.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  17. #117
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not
    In fact, it's just the opposite. You have everything to lose and NOTHING TO GAIN.

  18. #118
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY. FANITO LAMA SICA. HE WAS RUN OFF BY THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES. THE GUY GAVE UP MORE INFORMATION ON AP IN THIS FORUM THAN ANYONE IN ALL THE GAMBLING FORUMS IN HISTORY. THAT WAS REMARKABLE.

    BUT WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE FROM THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES? THEY MOCKED, RIDICULED, SCOLDED, BESMIRCHED, SMEARED AND SLANDERED HIM.

    OTHER AP'S TRIED TO GET HIM TO QUIT GIVING AWAY SO MUCH INFORMATION. HE TOLD THEM TO KISS OFF AND KEPT DOING IT. THEY COULDN'T GET HIM TO STOP. BUT NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES, ROB SINGER, ALAN MENDELSON, MR. V., LARRYS, BILL YUNG, BLACKHOLE AND PORK BELLY. THEY DID THE FUCKING JOB FOR THE AP'S. THE DUNCES ARE THE ONES THAT GOT MONET TO SHUT UP AND LEAVE.

    GREAT JOB, DUNCES. YOU DID THE FUCKING JOB FOR THOSE AP'S. LIKE THE IGNORAMUS MOTHERFUCKERS YOU ARE. LIKE THE GUY SAID YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. MONET GOT TIRED OF YOUR ABUSE AND LEFT.

    THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF AP ON THIS SITE WITH THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES, LED BY WELFARE ROB SINGER, RUNNING THINGS. HIS WAY IS THE WAY OF IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY. THIS SITE IS NOTHING BUT A SHITHOLE WITH HIM ON IT. SO ALL YOU DUNCES HAVE A GAY OLD TIME WITH YOUR DUMB STUPID TROLLING. THAT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT.
    Its funny that when I joined here, MC and KJ cried to Dan that I would be making this a TROLLING HELL. Yet one of the 2 biggest trolls ends up being MC ..complete with his pre-sober vulgarities that we are all used to. And I doubt the term "pre-sober" actually applies

    Secondly, monet gave info on "plays" and most people totally believed that. Its just when he strayed into the "i am a bad dude" persona///The Billy the Kid persona, the "i dont give a shit nor follow rules" persona, the "i throw 20 dollar bills on the homeless laying in the street" persona, the "i didnt pay taxes on 750k in winnings" persona....that people started to be wary and not fully accept that side of his posting.

    But he desperately wanted to be viewed as the uncaring badass. The bad guy who has shit on people in the past. THe "THEIF".

    so when singer questioned the validity, and how difficult it would be to shield 750k from the govt.....the house of cards he built around his persona started to fall. His AP plays were still valid...but the other "stories" became less believable.

    THAT is what had him leave. Of course he will come back and tell us he was busy blah blah blah But its rather transparent that the timing of his departure is when people were questioning his "stories". Not his ap plays. They are most likely true and valid.

  19. #119
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    Welcome,prozema....Alan I play the 1000 in one day on slots, do I make a profit from playing free play , well I haven’t worked last 3 years. Do I care whether u believe it or not, no.....I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not
    Good I'm glad you don't care that I don't believe it.

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I kid u not. They give u big but they dry up fast. At borgata they give u little but the free play stays longer . I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that. Borgata is different, they send a smaller amount but it stays for many months
    if true..then it works for one cycle in a casino. You bet1000, and get the free play, and then each month you let it cut in half...till you get nothing. Sounds like a special promotion for new card members...if its true at all. My experience is that 1000 gets you very little...maybe coffee and pie at a coffee shop/

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