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  1. #61
    mickey has no use for real friends because he doesn't have any. In fact, if you can't tell, he lives his life pretending he's always in the "glory of the past" which of course is littered with virtual friendships with losers like "Tuna" and other self-created unsavory characters, self-denigrating bum-lifestyle "adventures" before going broke in Nevada, and a cache of silly stories only a toothless mother could love.

    It is the perfect portal for someone with no life or reason to live it, to have entered into the anonymous internet age, where even two-bit loner/losers can make up an existence they believe, as low-life as it may be, puts them in the upper echelon of a society they badly missed out on.

    As such, we see the constant barrage of vulgarity, alcohol-driven threats, and a violent personality that only PlayStation or X-Box could re-create. IE, he lives to make enemies.

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Redietz the question really is how much is lost? Do you lose money when you go on a cruise? Of course you do, but you hopefully had fun.

    The same with casinos. If you had fun for the money lost what's the harm?
    It’s certainly going to be different for different people. I understand the part where it’s fun to gamble even if you’re expected to lose....if you’re someone who rarely gambles — like you only gamble when in LV and you come once every year or two. Then yeah, sure, I can see that.

    But what I don’t understand is people who gamble frequently and view it as entertainment (there’s a small caveat, I’ll explain later). The fun part in gambling is the possibility to win money, right? I think we can all agree on that. The more you gamble, the less likely you are to win. Seems like after a few years of losing the person would figure out “Hey, the ‘fun’ part is in winning....and I ain’t winning!”

    Small caveat would be someone playing significantly below their means where the amount won or lost would have practically zero impact on their net worth.

    Gambling is kinda like if you could go to a 7-11 to get a lottery ticket and the Indian guy behind the counter said, “Hey, if you give me $550, I’ll tell you which ticket to buy, it’ll pay you back $500!” So you do it, get the “winner” even though you’re down $50+. Was that actually fun?

    I’d say gambling being fun is paradoxical. It’s fun because you can win, but the more you play, the less likely you are to win, and thus less fun to play the more you play.

    Nothing necessarily wrong in my mind about people who do that....unless they have the means to play differently and willingly choose not to. It’s like if you go to a movie and it’s gonna cost you $50 (ticket, food, drink), but the ticket dude told you you could actually get all that stuff for free and get paid on top of it....and you’re just like, “Nahhh, that’s just hogwash.” In that case, I’d say you’re just categorically stupid.

  3. #63
    I want to make it clear that I'm not against "recreational gambling," even when that gambling becomes a repetitive behavior that can bankrupt the very wealthy. I'm against making proclamations that APs are psychos or grinding out a living or somehow living lives inferior to the "normal" great American consumer.

    In fact, one of the thrusts of a paper I presented way back when at the 1984 (I think) National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking is that blowing boatloads of money gambling isn't always a bad thing. One of my arguments was that material resources tend to be overvalued in American culture versus non-material resources. Non-material resources include attributes usually assigned by others, such as bravery, machismo, or sex appeal. The obvious example would be Sean Connery as Bond at a baccarat table. Losing financially doesn't necessarily mean he lost in some objective sense, because money isn't the bottom line. Objectively, appeal and success with potential mates is the bottom line. So, to put it crudely, if blowing boatloads of money enables you to get laid on a regular basis in ways you otherwise could not, then it's really not a "loss."

    The same could apply to dudes who frequent craps tables, maybe even getting married there. It's like peacocks displaying -- if it gets you laid, married, or whatever, then one has to measure the pros and cons before proclaiming it a "loss."

    Eventually, I'll get around to posting that paper on the Retro thread, if I can take proper photos of it.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    great American consumer.
    Ah yes, the great American consumer. This individual has been successfully socially engineered by marketeers so that their self-esteem is totally tied to keeping up with the Jones to the degree that they don't mind being in huge debt to do it, along with being taught (by these same marketeers) to think that anyone who doesn't keep up with the Jones is detritus. Be quick on your feet while in a crosswalk or you will be run over by one of these SUV-driving tards while they text their friends on their smart phone. Their one redeeming feature is that they leave multipliers on UX and its derivatives.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    blowing boatloads of money gambling isn't always a bad thing.
    Sure it is.

    The operative word is "boatloads" aka "shit loads" aka "a whole fucking bunch."

    Gambling is so addictive, so potentially lethal, that the British adopted the Statute of Anne centuries ago to curb the trend of addicted lords, dukes and earls losing everything at the roulette tables.

    It takes a bit of fortitude and discipline to be a well-heeled recreational gambler and not fall into a black hole and piss it all away.
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    blowing boatloads of money gambling isn't always a bad thing.
    Sure it is.

    The operative word is "boatloads" aka "shit loads" aka "a whole fucking bunch."

    Gambling is so addictive, so potentially lethal, that the British adopted the Statute of Anne centuries ago to curb the trend of addicted lords, dukes and earls losing everything at the roulette tables.

    It takes a bit of fortitude and discipline to be a well-heeled recreational gambler and not fall into a black hole and piss it all away.
    I don't know, Mr. V. If you take personal opinion out of the equation, and just go on purely scientific bottom line definitions of success, genetic representation in the next generation is really the only objective success. Everything else is just an opinion coming from a personality mired in a particular culture at a particular time.

    Now you can argue otherwise, and ants can argue that how many pebbles they lay claim to matter, but that's all subjective opinion. My personal opinions don't match up with the biological imperative stuff, but they are just my personal values and opinions, based on growing up in a Lutheran household with thrifty Germans and reading too many Spider-man comic books. Just opinions from a particular time and place.

  7. #67
    That's fine, we all filter this event called "life" through our own unique prisms.

    Your point is that spending money in order to acquire something you need and want is not always a bad thing: that is true enough.

    Most recreational gamblers handle temptation well enough, but far too many succumb to the siren song, to their personal and financial detriment.

    Most gamblers gamble for their own selfish purposes, not to impress a potential mate.

    I doubt even Sean Connery in his prime would be able to bed a beauty if she knew he was broke, owed more than he could hope to pay, and spent his time thinking not about her but about gambling.

    No, that isn't recreational, it's degenerate; it's the end of the road best not traveled.
    What, Me Worry?

  8. #68
    Recreational players in anything aren't worried about the long-run odds, that they are the best on the field, or that they will win any given session, any night out. I don't want to get into that discussion about any distinctions between happiness and fun, or other definitions here.

    The only paradox here is the effort to win for the sake of winning. Even when the system or advantage player wins, he loses because it involves nothing external to the casinos, which are simply another business model. When he loses, he wins the time that is saved by getting out of a casino to accomplish something more worthwhile, and personally satisfying.

    Fart on evolution or anything else you might believe in. When you are dead, you won't be around to even worry about your own kids. What happens after you are dead can not have any effect on you, then. One saying that he hopes for clean air for his kids after he is gone is a meaningless gesture to his kids. Go get the most out of your own life, and your loved ones now. Don't end up paying for the pit bosses kids' education before your own; and, conversely, get one, yourself. See the world the best way you can. Who knows, you may find something that, in your wildest dreams, you never thought existed. Unless you have a brand new way to take down a casino for megabucks, and you aren't afraid of spending the the remainder of your life in one form of jail or another, forget the casino.

    Edit: Of course, no one would go to a casino, on a given day, if they knew they were going to lose, then.
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  9. #69
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It is the perfect portal for someone with no life or reason to live it, to have entered into the anonymous internet age, where even two-bit loner/losers can make up an existence they believe, as low-life as it may be, puts them in the upper echelon of a society they badly missed out on.

    No mirrors in this guy’s house obviously. What a fucking moron! And a head like a smashed crab to boot!

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  10. #70
    It's childish to make fun of someone because of the way they look: facial features, body size: WTF does it really matter how we look, compared to how we act toward others and the world around us?

    Most of the "beautiful people" are either head cases or have substance abuse problems.

    You want to find contentment?

    Eschew beauty, embrace the norm.
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    It's childish to make fun of someone because of the way they look: facial features, body size: WTF does it really matter how we look, compared to how we act toward others and the world around us?

    Most of the "beautiful people" are either head cases or have substance abuse problems.

    You want to find contentment?

    Eschew beauty, embrace the norm.
    Says the man with the flying dice shirt

  12. #72
    Back in the nineties, when casinos started cropping up in all those new locations around the country the one thing they all had in common was bankruptcy rates shot sky high. In New Mexico bankrupticies went up 1500%.

    In Montana one third of the women in the state penitentiary are there for gambling related crimes.

    One Montana casino owner told me one of his expenses was replacing chairs that had been pee'd on by women who were so zoned in on the machine they wouldn't even get up and go to the restroom.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    blowing boatloads of money gambling isn't always a bad thing.
    Sure it is.

    The operative word is "boatloads" aka "shit loads" aka "a whole fucking bunch."

    Gambling is so addictive, so potentially lethal, that the British adopted the Statute of Anne centuries ago to curb the trend of addicted lords, dukes and earls losing everything at the roulette tables.

    It takes a bit of fortitude and discipline to be a well-heeled recreational gambler and not fall into a black hole and piss it all away.
    V, could you clean up your language. This is a civilized forum.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by Rob Singers Clitoris View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It is the perfect portal for someone with no life or reason to live it, to have entered into the anonymous internet age, where even two-bit loner/losers can make up an existence they believe, as low-life as it may be, puts them in the upper echelon of a society they badly missed out on.

    No mirrors in this guy’s house obviously. What a fucking moron! And a head like a smashed crab to boot!

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    Lol

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    More total bs mickey. No one ever gets 100% or more on every free play offer. Even a machine that theoretically pays out 125% wouldn't come near to handing out guaranteed percentages of 100% and up every time. The way you're claiming this, you're actually & unwittingly giving credence to short term play, which you also claim doesn't exist. Quit while you're behind. And it's funny watching an uneducated idiot dropout like you pretending to know how to analyze anything using math. Wise up.
    You complete fucking goofball idiot. Keep writing ignorant stupid shit like this on the subject, Welfare Rob. You are showing all the viewers what a complete fucking imbecile you are. You got no fucking clue that it averages to 100%. That's because you're a fucking fraud. You don't know jackshit about it. You can't even talk a good game.

    Now, you all seen me ask Bill Dungster, er Yung, if he is really a degree'd mathematician, to put up the gambling equation. You all seen him run for the hills like the loser he is. He's had ample fucking time. He can't do it. Now, Welfare Rob, it's your turn. You've said you are a skilled mathematician. So put up the GAMBLING EQUATION, dunce. Don't make stupid excuses, just do it and show everyone how much you know. But I guarantee you can't do it because you are a FRAUD.
    It's a shame to have to cut into another intellectual argument between a couple of WoV degenerate rejects.

    mickey, you have so little math training that you wouldn't know the difference between an equation and a wet dream. And it's STATISTICS dummy. If you weren't a useless dropout you'd know that and what you said flies in the face of statistics.

    First, cool down drunk. It was YOU who claimed to come out over 100% on every machine/every time, even when you break free play down to play your supposed ""20% & 30%" edges. Understandable where your anger comes from on this. Being that two-bit gambling and this forum total up to your entire wasted life, I can see how getting embarrassed in front of people you need to believe are impressed by your Pure White Trash life-story isn't exactly the way your alcohol-diseased mind planned it.

    Time for some more of that low-life cursing Right after you put Rosey Palmer back to work, that is. Come to think of it....who does your laundry anyway? You know, when people picture a bum like you, they start to smell stinky underware, stiff socks, and rotted-out teeth.

  16. #76
    Despite his myriad faults, I must give Mr. Crimm props for taking the time to explain to me and others how he is able to achieve a form of AP on slot machines.

    Sure he can be abrasive and obnoxious; sometimes searchers need to wade through a pile of shit in order to find that which they seek.
    What, Me Worry?

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    More total bs mickey. No one ever gets 100% or more on every free play offer. Even a machine that theoretically pays out 125% wouldn't come near to handing out guaranteed percentages of 100% and up every time. The way you're claiming this, you're actually & unwittingly giving credence to short term play, which you also claim doesn't exist. Quit while you're behind. And it's funny watching an uneducated idiot dropout like you pretending to know how to analyze anything using math. Wise up.
    You complete fucking goofball idiot. Keep writing ignorant stupid shit like this on the subject, Welfare Rob. You are showing all the viewers what a complete fucking imbecile you are. You got no fucking clue that it averages to 100%. That's because you're a fucking fraud. You don't know jackshit about it. You can't even talk a good game.

    Now, you all seen me ask Bill Dungster, er Yung, if he is really a degree'd mathematician, to put up the gambling equation. You all seen him run for the hills like the loser he is. He's had ample fucking time. He can't do it. Now, Welfare Rob, it's your turn. You've said you are a skilled mathematician. So put up the GAMBLING EQUATION, dunce. Don't make stupid excuses, just do it and show everyone how much you know. But I guarantee you can't do it because you are a FRAUD.
    It's a shame to have to cut into another intellectual argument between a couple of WoV degenerate rejects.

    mickey, you have so little math training that you wouldn't know the difference between an equation and a wet dream. And it's STATISTICS dummy. If you weren't a useless dropout you'd know that and what you said flies in the face of statistics.

    First, cool down drunk. It was YOU who claimed to come out over 100% on every machine/every time, even when you break free play down to play your supposed ""20% & 30%" edges. Understandable where your anger comes from on this. Being that two-bit gambling and this forum total up to your entire wasted life, I can see how getting embarrassed in front of people you need to believe are impressed by your Pure White Trash life-story isn't exactly the way your alcohol-diseased mind planned it.

    Time for some more of that low-life cursing Right after you put Rosey Palmer back to work, that is. Come to think of it....who does your laundry anyway? You know, when people picture a bum like you, they start to smell stinky underware, stiff socks, and rotted-out teeth.
    Keep it up, Welfare Rob. The more you write the more people see what a complete idiot you are. What's the gambling equation, moron?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    What's the gambling equation, moron?
    I always try to avoid overly general questions because only an overly general answer will do, and those take some thought. But, I'll give this a shot, later on today, when I have some free time. Could be fun.

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    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  19. #79
    Stop giving out my proprietary information Mr. Yung.

  20. #80
    @ regnis: I note that your handle is "singer" spelled backwards.

    Why adopt that handle?
    What, Me Worry?

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