I think I have an edge in craps. How do I determine what it is?
I believe I have an edge when I am the shooter and only bet on my own rolls. I think I have an edge because of the number of rolls I have in each turn and because of the bets I make which are low house edge bets.
Now what stats should I gather up to prove myself? The win/loss when I am the shooter is easy to get. But what else is needed?
No you don't.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
It is pretty Fucking simple MendleBread... you wait for someone to start rolling Yo after Yo and you bet the Yo and parlay and after you witness 18 Yo's in a Fucking Row you pull down your bet. Fuck Off!Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Dice setters seem to put faith in the "Sevens to Rolls Ratio," i.e. the SRR.
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My SRR is very high which is why I'm ahead on Bonus Craps. But if I say that you and the rest of the critics will demand other proof. What do you need?Originally Posted by MisterV
This is Barney,
Although I don't play the game of craps, my bestest friend the LID, who is an exceptional tosser of the dices and leader of many crap circles, tells me he uses the Chi-square statistic which needs sample size of at least 100 outcomes to correlate dices outcomes with the dices set used to see if outcomes are statistically beyond random expectation/variances of dices. To complement his magnificent dice tossing skills, he also uses Skunkhats and DI Goat Coats to help clear table of random tosser of dices to optimize his table times.
Thank you very much
Last edited by Barney; 06-16-2018 at 10:36 AM.
We'd need proof of success over a long period of time.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Do not be blinded by the success offered by variance, even if the success seems to be somewhat ongoing; give it some more time and see if it holds up.
I'm reminded of the near-mythical run which Archie Karas had years ago at the old Binion's Horseshoe: his amazing winning streak lastest for a long, long time: toward the end he must have thought he was King of the World, but then, as you well know, the worm turned and he gave it all back.
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So I am still looking for the proof you need?Originally Posted by MisterVWe'd need proof of success over a long period of time.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Do not be blinded by the success offered by variance, even if the success seems to be somewhat ongoing; give it some more time and see if it holds up.
I'm reminded of the near-mythical run which Archie Karas had years ago at the old Binion's Horseshoe: his amazing winning streak lastest for a long, long time: toward the end he must have thought he was King of the World, but then, as you well know, the worm turned and he gave it all back.
Unlike others who would not meet me to prove their claims, I will meet anyone at any casino in Vegas to have my rolls logged -- and then you do the math. My only condition is that we find a casino where I can stand stick right or stick left (lately I prefer stick right) and where the table is not filled with players who have chips all over the layout. This is why I generally play around 2-6 in the morning when there is a good chance I am the only player, or there is maybe one other player. Also, I want to avoid tables that are "too long" (so-called aircraft carriers). Don't worry there are plenty of mid sized tables including those at Sam's Town and Green Valley Ranch and Red Rock and even Bellagio has nice tables that are not too long. I want to avoid Caesars because I think their new "speed felts" make the game unplayable there with dice bouncing off the tables.
If you insist on doing this during "prime time" in the evening you can save your breath -- I don't play then.
I don't play craps. I have nothing more than a very basic understanding of the rules of the game.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
These 3 short lines speaks volumes into the mindset, the thinking of one Alan Mendelson. (where is the "shock" emoji?).
These 3 lines are the equivalent of a man in the year 2018, making a presentation of how the earth is flat.
What a TardFest that meetup would be. Alan lost a million playing VP and now he is going to get it all back thru DI. Give it a rest you fuckin yo-yo.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Basically, you are trying to goad someone into helping you log your rolls and then trying to get them to do the math for you.... all for free. Nice try.Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSo I am still looking for the proof you need?Originally Posted by MisterVWe'd need proof of success over a long period of time.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Do not be blinded by the success offered by variance, even if the success seems to be somewhat ongoing; give it some more time and see if it holds up.
I'm reminded of the near-mythical run which Archie Karas had years ago at the old Binion's Horseshoe: his amazing winning streak lastest for a long, long time: toward the end he must have thought he was King of the World, but then, as you well know, the worm turned and he gave it all back.
Unlike others who would not meet me to prove their claims, I will meet anyone at any casino in Vegas to have my rolls logged -- and then you do the math. My only condition is that we find a casino where I can stand stick right or stick left (lately I prefer stick right) and where the table is not filled with players who have chips all over the layout. This is why I generally play around 2-6 in the morning when there is a good chance I am the only player, or there is maybe one other player. Also, I want to avoid tables that are "too long" (so-called aircraft carriers). Don't worry there are plenty of mid sized tables including those at Sam's Town and Green Valley Ranch and Red Rock and even Bellagio has nice tables that are not too long. I want to avoid Caesars because I think their new "speed felts" make the game unplayable there with dice bouncing off the tables.
If you insist on doing this during "prime time" in the evening you can save your breath -- I don't play then.
If you seriously think you have an advantage, feel free to make a wager that's worthwhile for everyone and we can set up a private table here in Vegas.
No private tables. I want it in public at a casino and why is a wager necessary? To make the event unworkable? Isn't that what you all accuse Rob Singer of doing, making wagers that make challenges unworkable? And mickey... his bets require you travel to Montana.Originally Posted by AxelWolfBasically, you are trying to goad someone into helping you log your rolls and then trying to get them to do the math for you.... all for free. Nice try.Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSo I am still looking for the proof you need?Originally Posted by MisterV
Unlike others who would not meet me to prove their claims, I will meet anyone at any casino in Vegas to have my rolls logged -- and then you do the math. My only condition is that we find a casino where I can stand stick right or stick left (lately I prefer stick right) and where the table is not filled with players who have chips all over the layout. This is why I generally play around 2-6 in the morning when there is a good chance I am the only player, or there is maybe one other player. Also, I want to avoid tables that are "too long" (so-called aircraft carriers). Don't worry there are plenty of mid sized tables including those at Sam's Town and Green Valley Ranch and Red Rock and even Bellagio has nice tables that are not too long. I want to avoid Caesars because I think their new "speed felts" make the game unplayable there with dice bouncing off the tables.
If you insist on doing this during "prime time" in the evening you can save your breath -- I don't play then.
If you seriously think you have an advantage, feel free to make a wager that's worthwhile for everyone and we can set up a private table here in Vegas.
Here's your chance to meet me, document my rolls, and then announce to the world it's total bullshit. And you don't want to do it?
Alan, no one has to meet you to announce to the world you are full of shit. You have conveyed that message perfectly all by yourself.
Sorry, alan.
I'd tried once to set up a meet n greet with you and you blew me off.
Lord, what was I thinking?
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Record your (throw) results. If you throw differently at different times (ie: come out is one type of roll, Point is on 8 you do something else...etc.), then note the type of throw with the result. Then do the math for your set of dice roll frequencies, the same way you would for regular random dice, except you’re using your own new numbers.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Of course that won’t definitely prove your return. As you’ll likely need a large sample size. But the more throws you do, the closer or more accurate that number should be. Granted, you also have to be willing to record all the necessary data and do the math, so if your response is, “I dont wanna do that, too much work! Can someone suggest something that I will actually do?”, then it’s not going to work.....which I suspect is the case.
I don't know what you were thinking because I have no recollections of you ever wanting to meet me.Originally Posted by MisterV
I do.
Could have been back pre-WoV.
Whatever, it rankled.
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Anytime you had anything to say to me about craps, MrV, it was critical of anything to do with DI. Why would I have met with you?
Why not?
It was a long while ago, probably before things got toxic.
Maybe it never really happened, maybe it was a dream, or a delusion that I have convinced myself was real: like you seeing 18 yo's rolled in a row at Caesars.
But you may rest assured that our paths will never cross, which should suit us both fine.
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As I said Mr V I have no recollections of any attempt at a meeting.
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