What's my edge in craps?

[a2a3dseddie]

Eddie wrote "At first you say you win betting the Small/Tall/All when you need to hit at least 5 numbers (including a 2, 12 or both) but then you sound like it's difficult to roll them when you are betting the Field."

If it were easy to roll 2s and 12s players would be hitting the Bonus bets all the time.

Consider the numbers in the field:
2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11, 12

Four of those numbers are horn numbers and are considered sucker bets or crazy crapper bets. If you made them as horn bets the 2 and 12 would pay 30 but on the field they pay 2 or 3.

On the horn the 3 and 11 pay 15, but on the horn they pay even.

Even the 4 and 10 pay even money on the field but if placed would pay almost double.

Do you still want to bet the field?

I know what the payoffs are on the Field and on the Horn bets.

The point I was trying to make was that if you are indeed hitting the Small/Tall/All frequently enough to record a profit, then having an Iron Cross up all the time would make you even more profit wouldn't it?

[monet]

Let's see... who should I believe. Mendlebread who says he saw 18 yos in a row. This tattletale is a guy who makes phony videos with Rob Singer to misinform the public in hopes of making a profit. This guy also writes articles or at least used to because I read a couple of them 15 years ago that were complete and utter misinformation of Video Poker and how it works.

OR

should I believe his son who is posting all the text messages and clearly has a honest beef with this Mendlebread... yup the son is telling the truth.

[MisterV]

True or not, it has NO PLACE on a public forum.

Bad boy!

Go to your room!

[monet]

WTF is wrong with you, SLaPINFuNK?

I cannot recall seeing a more inappropriate post on a message board, and I've posted on em for over twenty years.

Whether or not your claim is true it is private, family business and as such should remain private.

One can only assume you are currently either feuding with alan, or setting him up for an intervention, but you went way, way too far outing him as you did.

I feel sorry for alan, having to deal with a back stabber such as you.

Et tu Brute?

STFU V Bitch, you ass kissing, female , overweight, pleasures himself to pot stirring, little chameleon punk!

[Alan Mendelson]

Eddie wrote "At first you say you win betting the Small/Tall/All when you need to hit at least 5 numbers (including a 2, 12 or both) but then you sound like it's difficult to roll them when you are betting the Field."

If it were easy to roll 2s and 12s players would be hitting the Bonus bets all the time.

Consider the numbers in the field:
2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11, 12

Four of those numbers are horn numbers and are considered sucker bets or crazy crapper bets. If you made them as horn bets the 2 and 12 would pay 30 but on the field they pay 2 or 3.

On the horn the 3 and 11 pay 15, but on the horn they pay even.

Even the 4 and 10 pay even money on the field but if placed would pay almost double.

Do you still want to bet the field?

I know what the payoffs are on the Field and on the Horn bets.

The point I was trying to make was that if you are indeed hitting the Small/Tall/All frequently enough to record a profit, then having an Iron Cross up all the time would make you even more profit wouldn't it?

I don't know is the answer. I do know that instead of betting $10 on the field I'd rather use that $10 on the place 4 or 10.

[monet]

Jason I'm glad you posted that because you told the story.

I've been trying to keep the business going while the four other competitors we had all went out if business. My sales people are all gone.

Yes, I've been using my pension to keep the show on the air.

You keep demanding $4000 a month. What you do is work one or two says every three months to edit our quarterly show. You don't have time to shoot videos so I pay your sister to shoot them. But lately she'd rather do videos on the Internet for donations.

I'm 66 years old. I have been in the hospital three times since February with complications from my transplants. I'm tired.

I can't pay you $4000 a month for two days of work every quarter.

Not too tired to throw them bones and beat a game that has a 7% edge against you without cheating.

Nice Family/Jewish Father. It isn't ok to bash the Jews but it is ok to take Jesus's name in vein. I guess offending Christians isn't the same as offending the people of Judaism.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

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[Dan Druff]

Jason I'm glad you posted that because you told the story.

I've been trying to keep the business going while the four other competitors we had all went out if business. My sales people are all gone.

Yes, I've been using my pension to keep the show on the air.

You keep demanding $4000 a month. What you do is work one or two says every three months to edit our quarterly show. You don't have time to shoot videos so I pay your sister to shoot them. But lately she'd rather do videos on the Internet for donations.

I'm 66 years old. I have been in the hospital three times since February with complications from my transplants. I'm tired.

I can't pay you $4000 a month for two days of work every quarter.

Not too tired to throw them bones and beat a game that has a 7% edge against you without cheating.

Nice Family/Jewish Father. It isn't ok to bash the Jews but it is ok to take Jesus's name in vein. I guess offending Christians isn't the same as offending the people of Judaism.

monet, I am getting tired of the anti-Semitism from you.

I'm not going to get involved in the fight between Alan and his son, but you need to quit stuff like this.

[monet]

Jason I'm glad you posted that because you told the story.

I've been trying to keep the business going while the four other competitors we had all went out if business. My sales people are all gone.

Yes, I've been using my pension to keep the show on the air.

You keep demanding $4000 a month. What you do is work one or two says every three months to edit our quarterly show. You don't have time to shoot videos so I pay your sister to shoot them. But lately she'd rather do videos on the Internet for donations.

I'm 66 years old. I have been in the hospital three times since February with complications from my transplants. I'm tired.

I can't pay you $4000 a month for two days of work every quarter.

I've let you know time and time again all you needed to do was let me know what is going on but you continue to lie to me.

I told you that I didn't need the full amount but you said "No that is fine we will continue to do the 4K and pay you back...." etc etc...

In months you have not done anything to make things whole.

You have paid me a little bit here and there but only if I completed future work and hold anything in front of me like a carrot to do something for you.

I'm done. Jude Judy wanted to take us on the show... You denied... That would have settled things and gotten me $5K...

You should not be playing craps right now. If you ever had a winning session at craps it just went to paying off your VP markers or it just went right back into a VP machine.

Real Life finally on the Forums. Much better than this phony BS about how I seen someone throw 18 yos in a row.

[MisterV]

Monet is now on my "ignore" list, for obvious reasons.

C ya, asshole: I mean, I guess I won't.

[monet]

LOL... he actually calls himself Money Man Alan Mendleson. Irony at its finest.

[kewlJ]

While there are two sides to every story, I have several take-aways from these new developments.

I see some of the same dishonesty, misdirects, delays, and changing stories from Alan in the posted exchanges from his son, that we have all come to know. Remember the delays and changing stories from Alan during the Redietz "package" incident last summer and fall. "I only get to the office twice a week". "I only get to the office once a week". "I only get to the office once every other week". "I only get to the office once a months". "I only get to the office once a quarter". And here is my favorite, "I don't have keys to the office". And finally "The office is now closed and I am retired". This was a 4 month ordeal with almost daily changing stories and delay tactics.

My own experiences with Alan include nothing but dishonesty, deceit and manipulation. Remember when he tried to discredit tracking two tables? Alan jumped up at 3am and ran to a casino and took blurry pictures, standing several feet behind the table and not the correct seat, that was clearly discussed. Why do you think he did that? He thought those tactics made his points stronger. It didn't! What is really showed me is how dishonest and manipulative Alan is.

Then there are all the times, and I mean hundreds that Alan twists what was said. You correct him and he still repeats his twisted and manipulated version of what was said. Not only with me, he does this with everyone.

And all the behind the scenes scheming with fellow degenerate gambler and AP hater Welfare Rob Singer. How about the enabling of Singer. The silence to Singers 'hate attacks'. Hell Alan goes as far as to disappear when Singer has the crazy/hate working overtime. That too is dishonest.

You try to give Alan the benefit of doubt, but when the same dishonesty, manipulative, delays and misdirects occur again and again, you can only conclude Alan is basically a dishonest and deceitful person. I reached that conclusion some time ago and that is why I gave him the label "shyster". He screams that is unfair and IIRC even threatened to sue me, but what else do you call a person that repeatedly engages in dishonest, deceitful, manipulative behavior. And I'll bet Alan's son Jason can confirm if he wants to, which he may not, that this is a lifelong pattern of behavior with Alan.

Now the thing that has long baffled me (not really) since I began participating at this site is the level of hate, of the anti-AP fraction towards AP's on this site. I have long figured it was based in jealousy and bitterness from degenerative gamblers, for those that have success APing the casinos....that is to say actual win. Alan's son basically confirms Alan is a degenerate gambler, just as most of us suspected. And I suspect if we talked to members of Welfare Rob Singer's family, or slingshot, or some of the other anti-AP, hate brigade, we would hear similar stories. Money owed. Debts not paid (but always money for gambling). We read it all the time. It's an all too familiar story.

So while I am not passing judgements on the specifics of claims made, I do know that it confirms an all to familiar pattern of dishonesty, deceit, and "shyster-ing".

[SLaPiNFuNK]

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[monet]

Oh that's cold blooded... missed your first Fathers Day. Honestly... I hope you and your wife stick it out and hope you have better Fathers Days in the future.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

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[MisterV]

I do know that it confirms an all to familiar pattern of dishonesty, deceit, and "shyster-ing".

So says the guy who lied on gambling boards about being dead.

Pot ---> Kettle ---> Black

[SLaPiNFuNK]

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[SLaPiNFuNK]

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[kewlJ]

I do know that it confirms an all to familiar pattern of dishonesty, deceit, and "shyster-ing".

So says the guy who lied on gambling boards about being dead.

Pot ---> Kettle ---> Black

MrV always looking for a chance to take a shot at me.

For anyone (if there is anyone left) that may not know this story, yes, 7 years ago I faked my own death...so to speak on a blackjack message board. I had just been robbed at gun point right outside my condominium high rise building a block off the strip. At the time, I didn't drive (still don't like to drive) and walked most locations that I played. This robbery was not a random incident, as after I gave up my wallet, the gunman demanded my bankroll and got a partial amount of it. My concern was not just for this single incident, but that this gunman knew that I played blackjack for a living and carried funds to do so, but also knew exactly where I lived. I feared repeat robberies.

So when I had health issues shortly after this incident, with my first heart surgery, I let it be known to the forum that I participated on that I had passed away, hoping that would buy me some time, until I could sell my condo and move. It quickly blew up when members of that forum showed up at the condominium building and even contacted police and coroner's office. So I immediately came clean.

Now the difference was I lied in a very poorly thought out plan to protect myself. It hurt many people on that forum and AP community, who cared for me. And I regret that to this day. But that lie, that incident was born out of fear of continuing robberies and personal danger. It wasn't a lie born out of an attempt to cover one's ass or discredit someone. That is a big distinction. Those that want to continue to pass judgement, I ask, are you sure you might not have made a similar bad decision, in an attempt to protect yourself, under the same circumstances?

And one more thing about that incident. I apologized, as best I could, explained what was behind that action and took responsibility. And I kept the same handle, rather than run from it and start over with a new handle as some suggested. I have owned that mistake. And I continue to take responsibility for that bad decision. Those that continue to feel hurt by those actions 7 years ago and bring it up.....that's ok. That is their right. But MrV, you weren't even involved. You only know the story because it was related to you years later. So, as usual, in your case, it is just trolling....because THAT is who YOU are sir.

[The Boz]

I stop posting on this forum because Dan did something I never observed a forum owner do, allow a banned member back, Singer. I saw no legitimate reason for doing that and still don’t. And I only came here because of the opportunity to have discussions with a few members I enjoy that are no longer at WoV and one that never was as far as I know, RE.

I think Dan allows garbage on here one can only assume in the name of growing the business? But I see nothing to believe he is a dishonest person, just someone who honestly doesn’t care about the forum.

But the reason I’m posting this to for Alan, for whatever it’s worth. Simply, you need to stop gambling period. If a 10th of what you posted today is true, you are in a bad situation financially and obviously have a problem, or multiple problems. By your own admission your business is failing, yet you are on here arguing with people over nonsense.

You seem to have a sales problem with your show. Then why the fuck are you not out there SELLING? It’s your business and you have to know better. You pound the pavement, and find a way to make it work every waking hour if you cared about it, paying your bills and your employees. You certainly shouldn’t be gambling or arguing on here or trying to find ways to beat the casinos.

Face it, you failed as a gambler and sadly it appears you also are failing as a business owner, boss and maybe even as a father.

No clue of the details of your deal with your son/ employee. Seems he trusted you to pay him the deal made with you. Again, period, you either pay your employees or lock the doors. But are you doing everything possible to keep the business open? Or are you just finding excuses and debating things that can’t be debated.

But blaming others seems to be your MO, now including your son and daughter. As KJ said, maybe bitterness has always been behind your debate against APers. Don’t know you but this is sad stuff to be reading about anyone. It’s sucks your problems are now in the public eye and some are probably gloating over it.

And then you are through all this still posting, debating the original topic of you thinking you found an “edge” on craps. Why the fuck are you anywhere near a casino or crabs table ????

There are GA classes all over Vegas, find one or don’t, your call.
Get off your ass and go make some sales tomorrow and try and save your business, or don’t, your call.
Find a way to pay your obligations you made, or don’t.
Stop posting here, or don’t.

I hope you make the right choices Alan, you honestly can’t get much lower at this point.

And V, if the stuff that came out today helps Alan get on the right path, it was well worth any embarrassment it caused him.