What's my edge in craps?

[MisterV]

It could also be that alan was using the business to help enrichen his son, i.e. the "next generation," sort of an advance on his inheritance.

I do that with my son: I help him out financially because I can easily afford to and, more importantly, I both want to have a chance to watch him and his family enjoy it as well as know he is not just waitng for me to die so he finally gets a pay day.

[LarryS]

It could also be that alan was using the business to help enrichen his son, i.e. the "next generation," sort of an advance on his inheritance.

I do that with my son: I help him out financially because I can easily afford to and, more importantly, I both want to have a chance to watch him and his family enjoy it as well as know he is not just waitng for me to die so he finally gets a pay day.

yeah exactly , if he had a sweetheart deal for whatever reason then just walk away and stfu

However if alan is grossly under-exaggerating with his 2 days a month claim.....then all bets are off...pay the man.

[redietz]

It could also be that alan was using the business to help enrichen his son, i.e. the "next generation," sort of an advance on his inheritance.

I do that with my son: I help him out financially because I can easily afford to and, more importantly, I both want to have a chance to watch him and his family enjoy it as well as know he is not just waitng for me to die so he finally gets a pay day.

yeah exactly , if he had a sweetheart deal for whatever reason then just walk away and stfu

However if alan is grossly under-exaggerating with his 2 days a month claim.....then all bets are off...pay the man.

The son said that, no matter the length of time he spends at the job, getting somebody else to do the job competently would cost more. If somebody has the skill to do something in two days, but his price is the same or lower than market value, then I guess you should pay him market value. I remember my friend, whose father and older brother were welders and who trained him since he was about 12, breaking into welding. Well, he could blow through stuff much faster than the average welder, but that garnered him no love from co-workers and the union, so he learned to put things on cruise. Maybe the son is like my friend -- he's good at what he does.

[LarryS]

well according to alan..its 2 hours a month.

take it from there if its true. what tv technical job gets paid 4k for 2 hours work. Didnt alan say it was 1k per week? Sounds like a cushy no show job that ended. if alan is telling the truth.

So either alan is a liar or the son is ungrateful ......we may never know the truth since its not as obvious as 18 yos in a row.

[RS__]

Why’s it matter how long the job takes? Exception might be if Jason tricked Alan into an agreement where Jason would be getting paid far more than he should be (like if the work is worth $200/week and Jason said it’s worth $1,500 but I’ll do it for $1k). Granted, it might get a little tricky if there is no work for Jason to do because Alan’s company is failing and has no commercials or whatever to air.

I assume there was some sort of an agreement, EG: “I’ll pay you $1k/week to do X job.” According to this thread, that agreement hasn’t been fulfilled.

[LarryS]

he doesnt have to trick anyone

it could have been a caring father wanting to stuff some money in the shirt pocket of his son when he came to visit(symbolically).... or to shield mioney from the tax man or from alimony. It doesnt have to be a trick

[MisterV]

it could have been ... to shield mioney from ... alimony.

Not likely, as in every divorce decree I've seen the payor has to pay out the same fixed amount every month until the duration expires or the payee remarries.

Paying money to his son from the business may show he has less available income, but since the order was entered previously that is irrelevant.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm glad you're all fascinated by this. Here are the details.

My show is on every week. For about ten years we did a different show tape every week. Jason was paid for each weekly tape.

At the end of 2017 we changed our format. We produced one show tape that ran for 13 weeks. It was only fair, as I saw it, that Jason should not be penalized for less work. So I agreed to continue his full pay even though he only worked a couple days each quarter. (Not each month, each quarter.)

What I didn't figure on was the drop in business.

Does that end the discussion?

[RS__]

At the end of 2017 we changed our format. We produced one show tape that ran for 13 weeks. It was only fair, as I saw it, that Jason should not be penalized for less work. So I agreed to continue his full pay even though he only worked a couple days each quarter. (Not each month, each quarter.)

What I didn't figure on was the drop in business.

Does that end the discussion?

In that case, I think it's somewhat fair or understandable to not pay him, given those circumstances. The key word is somewhat, since it's kind of a hairy situation.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ I still want to pay him. If business picks up I will resume paying. And hopefully make up what wasn't paid.

Business sucks now. I'm dealing with advertisers who I have a 10-12 year history with who are facing big problems.

[kewlJ]

recap:

So Alan's son comes on telling us all what we already knew, that Alan has a gambling problem that interferes with him paying his bills and financial obligations and his personal relationships with family members, as well as likely the root cause of several failed marriages and other relationships with women. This is also the root cause of Alan's bitterness and animosity towards AP's. I want to repeat....an immediate family member....his son made these comments.

So Alan and his son have some private discussions (as they should) in which new financial promises where made that at least temporarily appease the son and they formulate a grand plan to save Alan's failed business. And let's face it, Alan's business is no longer relevant. I mean this is like coming up with a plan to save someone's 8-track audio tape business, or a VCS video tape rental business.

But anyway, Alan's son is at least temporarily appeased by this new round of financial promises and either as a sign of good will or as a condition of this new promised agreement, deletes all his posts telling of Alan's gambling addiction and resulting financial woes.

In very predictable fashion, as he always does, Alan returns, posting as if non of this occurred. Completely ignoring the fact that a family member, came here and spilled the beans of his gambling addiction, which most of us with any kind of brain already knew. The only small part that he acknowledged is that the business failed. But he has a new grand plan to make his "8-track" business (and himself) relevant again.

This is called DENIAL folks. And it is a major component of every addict's story and life. Alan I am really wishing you the best, but that can't happen until you acknowledge the truth and take responsibility. Until then you are just another addict, thinking he is fooling everyone.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj that's a nice story but he didn't say those things. Allow me to say something: you're an asshole.

[monet]

I think most of you missed the point. The son was willing to take less money or change the payment structure. The son was pissed off that he was being ignored and his phone calls were unanswered and the text messages were not being responded to. The son was also pissed off that the father moved to Vegas to gamble instead of investing in the family and the son was pissed off that his dad didn't even make an effort during his first Fathers Day. Typical Broken American Family Values where it is all about me and not the family. I don't know any employee that would be happy if their employer didn't answer the phone or questions or respond to the employees questions. Especially when the employer isn't sending the paychecks but he is on a stupid internet forum preaching to everyone how he beats craps and has a rising win strategy to crush the Casino. Yo, Yo, Yo... 11... good field good come and that is 18 in a fucking row!

[MaxPen]

Kewlj that's a nice story but he didn't say those things. Allow me to say something: you're an asshole.

That's the way I read it.

#DENIAL

[monet]

Kewlj that's a nice story but he didn't say those things. Allow me to say something: you're an asshole.

That's the way I read it.

#DENIAL

#dying soon and doesn't give a fuck... just going to "enjoy" retirement.

[kewlJ]

Oh and one more thing. Not only did Alan insist that the son delete his posts referencing Alan's gambling addiction, but the son's posts that were quoted by several other members are now missing. That means that Alan lobbied Dan Druff to remove those quoted comments and Dan Druff complied.

Shame on you Dan Druff! You aren't helping Alan by doing that, you are enabling him. Nor is removing quoted posts the action of an honest forum administrator.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sorry kewlj. Wrong again.
Jason deleted his own posts and I never spoke to Dan.

[kewlJ]

Sorry kewlj. Wrong again.
Jason deleted his own posts and I never spoke to Dan.

Well where are Jason's posts that were quoted by other members?

I suppose Dan could have removed those quoted posts on your behalf without you asking. I personally don't believe that. And if that were the case it is still just as dishonest a move by a forum administrator. No wonder this forum remains what it is!

[Alan Mendelson]

Well kewlj it appears that in addition to your fight with me and with the Wizard, you now have another issue with Dan. You have a lot of issues with lots of people, don't you?

[kewlJ]

I mean look at posts #204 and #205.

#204 is the initial post by your son Jason, outlining your gambling addiction and financial problems because of it.

#205 is a response by redietz in which he quoted the above post. That quote has been removed which makes redietz's response almost not relevant.


There are other similar examples that occurred throughout Sunday. Any administrator that would allow this and participate in doing so, is just dishonest.