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  1. #21
    IIRC, I discussed the possibility either openly on a board or via PM, with no positive response.

    It was quite awhile ago.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    IIRC, I discussed the possibility either openly on a board or via PM, with no positive response.

    It was quite awhile ago.
    Who gives a fuck?...it`s becoming quite obvious your thing is meeting strange men over the internet....stick to the personal ads, Mendelson doesn`t seem interested

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post

    Who gives a fuck?...it`s becoming quite obvious your thing is meeting strange men over the internet....stick to the personal ads, Mendelson doesn`t seem interested
    No Shit Keystone... this V is one sick bastard. Always talking about Hookers and Porn and how he gives little kids candy after school... at least that is what I heard. I am not sure if that is true but after all his posts you realize that he is one serious pervert. Honestly though I think him and Mendlebread will have a grand old time together. They seem like a good fit to me.

  4. #24
    Yeah, and I killed Jimmy Hoffa.

    Fuck off, douche.
    What, Me Worry?

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    So I am still looking for the proof you need?

    Unlike others who would not meet me to prove their claims, I will meet anyone at any casino in Vegas to have my rolls logged -- and then you do the math. My only condition is that we find a casino where I can stand stick right or stick left (lately I prefer stick right) and where the table is not filled with players who have chips all over the layout. This is why I generally play around 2-6 in the morning when there is a good chance I am the only player, or there is maybe one other player. Also, I want to avoid tables that are "too long" (so-called aircraft carriers). Don't worry there are plenty of mid sized tables including those at Sam's Town and Green Valley Ranch and Red Rock and even Bellagio has nice tables that are not too long. I want to avoid Caesars because I think their new "speed felts" make the game unplayable there with dice bouncing off the tables.

    If you insist on doing this during "prime time" in the evening you can save your breath -- I don't play then.
    Basically, you are trying to goad someone into helping you log your rolls and then trying to get them to do the math for you.... all for free. Nice try.

    If you seriously think you have an advantage, feel free to make a wager that's worthwhile for everyone and we can set up a private table here in Vegas.
    No private tables. I want it in public at a casino and why is a wager necessary? To make the event unworkable? Isn't that what you all accuse Rob Singer of doing, making wagers that make challenges unworkable? And mickey... his bets require you travel to Montana.

    Here's your chance to meet me, document my rolls, and then announce to the world it's total bullshit. And you don't want to do it?
    Proving you wrong and announcing it to the world would be less interesting than proving Tasha/Nathan wrong and announcing it to the world. You must think you are really important or something to the rest of us on the forums.

    That's where the bet comes in. Without a wager, we could wast untold amounts of time watching system players and DI's fail over and over again. I want a chance to make money on your ignorance and wacky beliefs.

    What do you have against private tables? If its a trust issue everything can be verified.

    How much do you normally bet when playing craps?

    I have a suggestion. I would be willing to book your action. Just bet the table min on each bet and I'll take the rest of the action. It would be very simple. Let say we do 5 x. If you lose 1k you owe me 5x that amount and if you win 1k I owe you 5x that amount.

    If you keep winning over and over and I really think you can alter the odds in your favor, I would no longer want to continue. I have a feeling others would jump at the chance if I bowed out. If your results continued to be well above the normal at some point, you would make a believer out of the skeptics. I'm sure at that Point someone would be willing to shadow you and record all your results and find out what it is you are doing that's different from all the others.

    You would have all kinds of investors knocking at your door making you deals that are hard to refuse.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I have a suggestion. I would be willing to book your action. Just bet the table min on each bet and I'll take the rest of the action. It would be very simple. Let say we do 5 x. If you lose 1k you owe me 5x that amount and if you win 1k I owe you 5x that amount.
    I'll cover Alan's action if he doesn't want to bet himself.

    Is that acceptable to both parties...Alan & Axel?

  7. #27
    Why bet? I think I have an edge. I'd like it tested. I'd like a witness to record my rolls and make a report. I make no claims except that I do have a high SRR.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Why bet? I think I have an edge. I'd like it tested. I'd like a witness to record my rolls and make a report. I make no claims except that I do have a high SRR.
    I think you do too.

    I want to bet to take AxelWolf's money.

    I'm sure there will be plenty of witnesses. I'll even consider paying appearance fees for certain witnesses.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Why bet? I think I have an edge. I'd like it tested. I'd like a witness to record my rolls and make a report. I make no claims except that I do have a high SRR.
    NVM all that Alan. C.B. is willing to put up the money for you. That's and incredible free roll. I would love to be in your situation. I might suddenly believe I have an advantage in Craps If I can get a free roll..

    Take the offer Alan. I will put up money on escrow with a 3rd party we all agree on.

    How much are you willing to put up for Alan C.B?

  10. #30
    Before anyone puts up money what is the bet? Are you going to track my SRR?

    Don't make a bet involving hard ways cause I rarely throw them.

    Don't make a bet on passes because you don't have to make a single pass to win the Bonus Craps bets.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Before anyone puts up money what is the bet?
    This is pretty straightforward.

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Just bet the table min on each bet and I'll take the rest of the action. It would be very simple. Let say we do 5 x.
    I propose that we stand at the table with Alan, and whenever Alan wins Axel pays me 5x the win amount, whenever Alan loses I pay Axel 5x the loss amount.

    No third-party escrow required, cash or chips at the table will suffice.

    I'm not sure that this would be considered a free roll for Alan, he'll be betting on his own at the table...this is a side bet.

    Axel will have 5x whatever the house edge is in craps, but Alan claims that when he rolls he has the edge, not the house.

    I'll bet that Alan is right.

  12. #32
    So we could go, for example, to Red Rock where I can play the pass line for $10. Each time I make a pass or don't pass you two guys will exchange money?

    Is there no additional action between you two on the numbers I roll between passes?

    What if I choose to bet $10 on the 4 and 10?

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    So we could go, for example, to Red Rock where I can play the pass line for $10. Each time I make a pass or don't pass you two guys will exchange money?

    Is there no additional action between you two on the numbers I roll between passes?

    What if I choose to bet $10 on the 4 and 10?
    Whatever you bet, pass line or otherwise, I'll pay Axel 5x what you lose, and he'll pay me 5x what you win.

    It'll be great when you make 'em ALL.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Why bet? I think I have an edge. I'd like it tested. I'd like a witness to record my rolls and make a report. I make no claims except that I do have a high SRR.
    Alan, didn't you say on one of these threads that overall you've lost money shooting craps?

  15. #35
    On the Bonus Craps bet you'll have to make a separate deal. If I bet $5 in each position my loss would be a maximum of $15. But if I hit the Small for example the pay would be $155.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Why bet? I think I have an edge. I'd like it tested. I'd like a witness to record my rolls and make a report. I make no claims except that I do have a high SRR.
    Alan, didn't you say on one of these threads that overall you've lost money shooting craps?
    Yes. But that was before Bonus Craps. With Bonus Craps you can win a lot of money without making a single pass.

    And with Bonus Craps I play differently. Pass line with the bonus craps bets. My loss could be a max of $30-40 but my win potential is about $1200.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    On the Bonus Craps bet you'll have to make a separate deal.
    If you bet the ATS and lose I'll pay Axel 5x what you lost.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    With Bonus Craps you can win a lot of money without making a single pass.

    And with Bonus Craps I play differently. Pass line with the bonus craps bets. My loss could be a max of $30-40 but my win potential is about $1200.
    Sounds good to me...

  18. #38
    Coach... does Axel pay you 5x $155 if I hit just the Small or the Tall?

    (I hit two a day on average.)

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    So we could go, for example, to Red Rock where I can play the pass line for $10. Each time I make a pass or don't pass you two guys will exchange money?

    Is there no additional action between you two on the numbers I roll between passes?

    What if I choose to bet $10 on the 4 and 10?
    Whatever you bet, pass line or otherwise, I'll pay Axel 5x what you lose, and he'll pay me 5x what you win.

    It'll be great when you make 'em ALL.
    So all Alan and Axel have to do is collude and have Alan bet the 6-6 one roll bet each toss. Alan and Axel will collect 5 times the horn bet 35/36 rolls on average.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Coach... does Axel pay you 5x $155 if I hit just the Small or the Tall?

    (I hit two a day on average.)
    Only if he agrees to the bet. But I would pay him 5x whatever you lose when you don't hit anything.

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