What's my edge in craps?

[coach belly]

So all Alan and Axel have to do is collude

Yes they can collude if this is a hustle like that.

[AxelWolf]

I require someone to hold the cash at the time. Perhaps Alan, if he's willing to take on the responsibility. I don't know you and I'm not willing to take a chance on getting free-rolled.

[Alan Mendelson]

So we could go, for example, to Red Rock where I can play the pass line for $10. Each time I make a pass or don't pass you two guys will exchange money?

Is there no additional action between you two on the numbers I roll between passes?

What if I choose to bet $10 on the 4 and 10?

Whatever you bet, pass line or otherwise, I'll pay Axel 5x what you lose, and he'll pay me 5x what you win.

It'll be great when you make 'em ALL.

So all Alan and Axel have to do is collude and have Alan bet the 6-6 one roll bet each toss. Alan and Axel will collect 5 times the horn bet 35/36 rolls on average.

Well I don't make center table bets. No horns (remember I never bet a yo?) and no hardways.

My high SRR is perfect for the Bonus Craps bets.

Im not even going to bet more than 1x odds on the pass line because I don't need passes to win anymore.

It seems to me Coach is betting with me and Axel is betting against me.

[Alan Mendelson]

I require someone to hold the cash at the time. Perhaps Alan, if he's willing to take on the responsibility. I don't know you and I'm not willing to take a chance on getting free-rolled.

It seems to me each of you can keep your cash in your own pockets.

[mickeycrimm]

IIRC, I discussed the possibility either openly on a board or via PM, with no positive response.

It was quite awhile ago.

Who gives a fuck?...it`s becoming quite obvious your thing is meeting strange men over the internet....stick to the personal ads, Mendelson doesn`t seem interested

[Alan Mendelson]

Frankly I'd rather see you guys betting on a simple SRR bet. It's simple and direct and you can keep a record of what numbers are thrown for analysis.

I'm looking for the analysis. You guys turned it into a betting contest.

[coach belly]

I require someone to hold the cash at the time. Perhaps Alan, if he's willing to take on the responsibility. I don't know you and I'm not willing to take a chance on getting free-rolled.

I don't know what you mean by getting free-rolled, but fine by me if Alan holds the money.

I would suggest that we pay immediately after each decision.

That's how I play golf with people I don't trust to pay after the round, we pay up after each hole.

[coach belly]

I require someone to hold the cash at the time. Perhaps Alan, if he's willing to take on the responsibility. I don't know you and I'm not willing to take a chance on getting free-rolled.

It seems to me each of you can keep your cash in your own pockets.

He's trying to be difficult...adding a condition that's likely not to be met.

[coach belly]

It seems to me Coach is betting with me and Axel is betting against me.

That's right, I believe that you may have an edge when you roll, and Axel knows for sure that you do not.

[coach belly]

Frankly I'd rather see you guys betting on a simple SRR bet. It's simple and direct and you can keep a record of what numbers are thrown for analysis.

I'm looking for the analysis. You guys turned it into a betting contest.

You're the shooter, so we gotta play by your rules or there is no game.

I think you playing solo at a casino or your choice, with our side bet paid off as you roll is easiest,
but we can record the rolls and have a SRR bet too, maybe double-or-nothing on what the side bet results are.

[Alan Mendelson]

It seems to me Coach is betting with me and Axel is betting against me.

That's right, I believe that you may have an edge when you roll, and Axel knows for sure that you do not.

I know I have a high SRR. The issue for me is how do I prove that I have an edge?

I don't necessarily make passes but I roll enough numbers that I have a profit at Bonus Craps. This also means I hit 2, 3, 11 and 12 at least once but these are not considered to be "good numbers" in traditional craps.

In traditional craps you want to make passes to win, but with Bonus Craps you want to roll just ten different numbers before the 7. My high SRR allows me to hit either the Small or Tall more often than other players. There were days I rolled the ALL twice but players betting the traditional way won very little money.

[AxelWolf]

I require someone to hold the cash at the time. Perhaps Alan, if he's willing to take on the responsibility. I don't know you and I'm not willing to take a chance on getting free-rolled.

It seems to me each of you can keep your cash in your own pockets.

That's easy to say when it's not your money on the line.

I don't know anything about CB and I don't know anyone else who knows or has meet him.


I know I will pay 100% of the time if I lose.
Im not going take a chance if you lose he just walks away without paying me. Even if the chance is small, I would have a bad bet and lose in the long run.

If I'm willing to let
someone else hold the money during that short time, he should be willing to do the same.

That's not making the terms difficult it's protecting my cash.

[coach belly]

If I'm willing to let someone else hold the money during that short time, he should be willing to do the same.

I already said that I was willing to let Alan hold the cash, but we have no mutual acquaintances, so that's what makes it difficult.

[AxelWolf]

Sorry I'm traveling in and out of service. If Alan will accept that responsibility that's fine with me.

[MisterV]

I know I have a high SRR. The issue for me is how do I prove that I have an edge?

It's not rocket science.

Since you started making this particular bet, have you won more than you lost, or vice versa?

There's your answer.

*Don't applaud, just throw money*

[Alan Mendelson]

I've won more, MisterV. That's my answer. But does that mean I have an edge?

One time I hit the ALL at Bellagio without making a single pass or repeating a single number. A player at my table bet the pass with full odds. He had three come bets with full odds. I hit the all and he got wiped out. Would you say I had an edge in that situation?

[Alan Mendelson]

Coach and Axel have to decide what the bet is. Are you making a mickeycrimm bet or a Rob Singer bet for a fixed amount? Or are you betting on rolls and is there a maximum number of rolls? Are the rolls even money or 5x the casino payoff amount?

For example, are you betting 5x on what Red Rock pays on the place 4? Red Rock pays $19 on $10 bet but Caesars pays $18 on $10 bet.

[AxelWolf]

Alan are you willing to hold the cash and distribute it properly to us?

[coach belly]

Coach and Axel have to decide what the bet is.

When you have bets working and are paid on one or more of them,
I expect to be paid from Axel 5x whatever you collect each time you are paid by the dealer.

When one or more of your bets lose, I will pay to Axel 5x the amount of whatever bets the dealer takes away.

We each start with a couple of racks, and play until one of us has it all.

We can also keep track of every roll, and make an SRR bet after X number of rolls.

[Alan Mendelson]

Coach and Axel have to decide what the bet is.

When you have bets working and are paid on one or more of them,
I expect to be paid from Axel 5x whatever you collect each time you are paid by the dealer.

When one or more of your bets lose, I will pay to Axel 5x the amount of whatever bets the dealer takes away.

We can also keep track of every roll, and make an SRR bet after X number of rolls.

Guys is this a typical bet?
If I lose the $10 bet on the 4, Coach will pay $50 to Axel.
But if I win the $10 bet on the 4, Coach expects Axel to pay him $95?

If I lose $5 on the Small bet Coach will pay $25. But if I win the Small then Axel will pay $775?

Come on now. I wouldn't let Axel get into that.

Is this what you're both agreeing to?