Wakeup and smell the coffee.

[mickeycrimm]

I dont believe MC never has a losing day. Or never drives 300 miles to get shit opportunities that cost him gas and wear and tear on his car as well as out of pocket living expenses. So I can compare him to you in that as opposed to all other jobs people have in the world....AP is one of those jobs where you can lose money after a days work.

Low risk/high reward plays have always been my niche. That's $500 a day concentrated into 120 days a year. Once I knock a town down I have to give it a couple months soak time for the plays to build back up. If I try to work it more than that my daily rate starts to suffer. I'm working more for the same amount of money on a yearly basis. So I don't do that. Nowadays I head on out of state for awhile.

Larry, it is not a requirement that you believe me. Think whatever you want. In the end I don't care. And, oh yes, very rare to have a losing day.

nice try. I wasnt born yesterday. The BS meter goes way off the charts when you claim you make 500 dollars daily in 4 hours.

It makes the idiots who believe it, envy you. Hell who wouldnt want a job that pays 160 an hour. So cut and dry.

I believe you can eek out a menial living. But the 500 dollars a day for 4 hours is way out there. Jack Daniels obviously has not left the room.

and the word "rare" in repect to losing days is in the eye of the beholder. That is very non specific. For instance you could end a day with a 5 dollar profit, and after expenses you are 50 dollars in the hole for the day. But its a winning day.

you have more losing days, and more negligible winning days than you are willing to let on to . I doubt very much you are "averaging" 50 dollars an hour and 4 hours worked per day.

when the Jack wears off....recalculate.

There's one way for you to find out. I'll bet you $10,000 that, right here in Montana, I'll start at 8 AM and produce a $500 win, playing machines, before the day is through, right in front of your eyes. You can audit the whole thing while I'm doing it. Bring cash.

[mickeycrimm]

I dont believe MC never has a losing day. Or never drives 300 miles to get shit opportunities that cost him gas and wear and tear on his car as well as out of pocket living expenses. So I can compare him to you in that as opposed to all other jobs people have in the world....AP is one of those jobs where you can lose money after a days work.

Low risk/high reward plays have always been my niche. That's $500 a day concentrated into 120 days a year. Once I knock a town down I have to give it a couple months soak time for the plays to build back up. If I try to work it more than that my daily rate starts to suffer. I'm working more for the same amount of money on a yearly basis. So I don't do that. Nowadays I head on out of state for awhile.

Larry, it is not a requirement that you believe me. Think whatever you want. In the end I don't care. And, oh yes, very rare to have a losing day.

nice try. I wasnt born yesterday. The BS meter goes way off the charts when you claim you make 500 dollars daily in 4 hours.

It makes the idiots who believe it, envy you. Hell who wouldnt want a job that pays 160 an hour. So cut and dry.

I believe you can eek out a menial living. But the 500 dollars a day for 4 hours is way out there. Jack Daniels obviously has not left the room.

and the word "rare" in repect to losing days is in the eye of the beholder. That is very non specific. For instance you could end a day with a 5 dollar profit, and after expenses you are 50 dollars in the hole for the day. But its a winning day.

you have more losing days, and more negligible winning days than you are willing to let on to . I doubt very much you are "averaging" 50 dollars an hour and 4 hours worked per day.

when the Jack wears off....recalculate.

Redietz said it right. The less you know about something the more you comment on it. But I can understand your disbelief. Probably most AP's don't believe I rarely have a losing day. But that's because they are used to working thin edges like 102% video poker where you have a lot of losing days. I'm not a miracle worker. If I played those kinds of edges I would have a lot of losing days too. But I don't play that stuff. I know I don't make the most money in the business....but I do work the biggest edges in the business. My whole schtick is low risk/high reward. Short term advantages on low denom stuff that don't take much time to play off. You won't see me sitting on one machine pounding away hour after hour. That shit sucks. My plays are short and sweet. My longest play is just 40 minutes average seat time. Most are much lower than that, like 10 or fifteen minutes. Then I'm up out of the seat looking for more.

I find a lot of these short term advantages every day. I will usually go through 6 to twelve Montana casinos a day depending on how many plays I find. The more plays I find the less casinos I will make it through in a day. I leave them for the next day. And these casinos aren't 300 miles apart. They're right across the street from each other.

In the next post I'll show you an example of a "gimme play" that i usually find a few of every day.

[Alan Mendelson]

Posted by mickeycrimm:

"There's one way for you to find out. I'll bet you $10,000 that, right here in Montana, I'll start at 8 AM and produce a $500 win, playing machines, before the day is through, right in front of your eyes. You can audit the whole thing while I'm doing it. Bring cash."

In less than 12 hours we've seen two challenges that have zero chance of happening.

If there is one great contribution by Rob Singer it's to frame challenges with big bucks with explicit conditions that will never happen.

[mickeycrimm]

Over on WoV there's a poster named CrystalMath. He's a video game designer. He has games in the Montana market on machines called Casino Kings. My guess is there are about 1500 of these machines in Montana. He PM'd me and told me he would be glad to send me the math on the games on those particular machines. I told him there was only one exploitable game on those machines, and since it was a keno game (called Jackpot Rocket) I had easily done the math and was exploiting the game. He wrote back that he was the designer of that game, was surprised it was exploitable, and was very interested in how I was doing it. I explained it to him, he went over the math, then agreed with me that the game was highly exploitable by a knowledgeable player.

Here's a screenshot of the game where the numbers are at reset. You can see the meters and the countdown. For the 7 out of 7 the countdown is always on 1. Hit a solid seven and you win the meter. The countdown for 6 out of 7 is on 25. When you hit a 6 out of 7 the countdown will click down to 24. Hit another one it will click down to 23, etc. When you get all 25 then you get the money in the meter. It works the same way for the 5 out of 7 and the 4 out of 7. The meters start out running at 1% each.

[mickeycrimm]

So when I go into a casino here Jackpot Rocket is one of the games that I will take a look at the numbers and determine if there is an advantage to be had. If there is i grab a seat and play it off. It's just one of a dozen and a half games I exploit here.

In the next screenshot the game has been played by the ploppies for awhile and the meters and countdowns reflect that. I always love it when I find a play like this. Can you really believe some ploppie was dumb enough to get up and take a walk while the 4 out of 7 countdown is on 7? What a dumb son of a bitch. There but for the grace of God go I. The idiot left me a play I can't lose on. And this shit happens all the time here.

Let me do the math for you. You can bet up to $2 but you only have to bet 50 cents to qualify for the meter. The frequency of a 4 out of 7 is 19.16. So to hit 7 of them the expectation is to play 134 games at 50 cents per to take off the meter. If you run the numbers on the Wizard's keno calculator it will show 251%. The drop on the game, until I collect the meter, is 27%.

134 X 50 cents X 27% = $18. That's my average cost to spin this play off.

I collect a $127 meter. That's an average profit of $109.

On turbo it plays at 40 games a minute. So this is a 4 minute play to win $109.

Larry, if you take the bet, and are standing there watching when I find a play like this, I'll give you some easy action. I'll side bet you $1000 against your measly ten dollar bill that I don't lose on the play.

This kind of shit is the reason I don't have losing days.

[mickeycrimm]

Let the record show that I'm the very first hustler to write about the Jackpot Rocket game. And also let the record show that I have more knowledge and experience with progressive/banking video keno games than any other hustler that has ever lived.

[Alan Mendelson]

Keno games... I like to make believe I'm playing the Mega Keno when I eat at the 24 hour cafe at Red Rock. I never hit more than 3 of the 20 numbers chosen.

Really mickeycrimm you have the skill to pick seven out of 80?

It seems to me that having the count down at 1 is nothing more than bait for a losing bet. Or did you hit it?

[mickeycrimm]

Posted by mickeycrimm:

"There's one way for you to find out. I'll bet you $10,000 that, right here in Montana, I'll start at 8 AM and produce a $500 win, playing machines, before the day is through, right in front of your eyes. You can audit the whole thing while I'm doing it. Bring cash."

In less than 12 hours we've seen two challenges that have zero chance of happening.

If there is one great contribution by Rob Singer it's to frame challenges with big bucks with explicit conditions that will never happen.

I suggest to larry that he don't take the bet. He has no chance of winning.

[mickeycrimm]

Keno games... I like to make believe I'm playing the Mega Keno when I eat at the 24 hour cafe at Red Rock. I never hit more than 3 of the 20 numbers chosen.

Really mickeycrimm you have the skill to pick seven out of 80?

It seems to me that having the count down at 1 is nothing more than bait for a losing bet. Or did you hit it?

Alan, I'm not a potshotter. My rule is "if it's a play when I sit down on it, it's a play until I achieve my objective. The objective here was to hit a 4 out of 7 a total of 7 times....and I ain't goin' anywhere until I do. Yeah, it took me all of 3 minutes to collect the meter. Alan, no one really has to call you slow. You prove it with just about every post. Ploppies like you, God bless you, are the reason I make such an easy living.

[mickeycrimm]

When I check the Jackpot Rocket game there are actually 29 different meters and their countdowns I have to check. Here's a 6 out of 7 play. The average cost to produce the 6 out of 7 is $198 and the meter is at $536. Notice that the 5 out of 7 is on a countdown of 6 and is also a play.

[mickeycrimm]

Here's a 4 out of 5 play:

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm you wrote " The objective here was to hit a 4 out of 7 a total of 7 times....and I ain't goin' anywhere until I do."

You have the skill. I can't hit more than three out of ten. What can I say? I'm just a ploppie.

[mcap]

Let the record show that I'm the very first hustler to write about the Jackpot Rocket game. And also let the record show that I have more knowledge and experience with progressive/banking video keno games than any other hustler that has ever lived.

How were the first drinks back mick?

[mickeycrimm]

This game was on about 400 machines in Montana. Three or four machines were linked together in each casino. The game builds toward a bonus by the collective action of the players but only one player gets the bonus. Knowing when the bonus was ready to go was an easy read. I would jump in and play on turbo speed while the ploppies played on slow speed, to get the bonus. Players were bitching and complaining about losing a lot of money and never getting the bonus. They squashed the game because of me.

[blackhole]

Can’t help but make this last comment.

Just read my OP again, then read the six pages of responses that follows. If my OP doesn't shine of fact now, I'm not sure what it would take to prove my point. Over and above all the stupidity, we even got pictures of slot machines from boy wonder. After reading how and what this thread evolved into now, take notice of the same exact small group of fucking assholes and where they took this thread.

This site is a replica of Groundhogs Day, except a lot funnier.

I also believe Alan M. (who I once respected) was driven to insanity after losing all his money. I also think he got rid of this site to lower personal expenses. He certainly didn’t stop posting after he sold it allegedly from disgust. Unless it’s unannounced, I don’t think he’s being paid to stay here.

[Alan Mendelson]

Oh there's no question I was driven to insanity. After everything I've been through? You'd be insane too. I should be on a suicide watch.

[Keystone]

Oh there's no question I was driven to insanity. After everything I've been through? You'd be insane too. I should be on a suicide watch.

We know

[mickeycrimm]

Can’t help but make this last comment.

Just read my OP again, then read the six pages of responses that follows. If my OP doesn't shine of fact now, I'm not sure what it would take to prove my point. Over and above all the stupidity, we even got pictures of slot machines from boy wonder. After reading how and what this thread evolved into now, take notice of the same exact small group of fucking assholes and where they took this thread.

This site is a replica of Groundhogs Day, except a lot funnier.

I also believe Alan M. (who I once respected) was driven to insanity after losing all his money. I also think he got rid of this site to lower personal expenses. He certainly didn’t stop posting after he sold it allegedly from disgust. Unless it’s unannounced, I don’t think he’s being paid to stay here.

Your monumental ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity.

[mickeycrimm]

Let the record show that I'm the very first hustler to write about the Jackpot Rocket game. And also let the record show that I have more knowledge and experience with progressive/banking video keno games than any other hustler that has ever lived.

How were the first drinks back mick?

I'm in my 17th month without a drink. No hill for a climber.

[MisterV]

I don't play them, but some do: have you found an exploitable game in the ones offered by the state of Oregon?

Not the games found in tribal joints, but the ones in bars and delis.