Challenge to Singer / Argentino

[Rob.Singer]

Weak people sicken me and kew is one of the weakest I've ever encountered on any forum. Anybody who questions him or says/does things opposite of what he claims, should be banned. Not only that--he whines and cries about it like a dirty little bitch.

He's never fooled any of us who were here long before the WoVers began flocking over, with his phony made-up status as some anonymous, slick "bj pro lurking on the neon streets of LV". WoVers have long been famous for pontificating theory from their easy chairs instead of actually being found doing what real men and women do inside casinos. Kew has proven to be just another overly-dramatic "look at me!" attention & relevance-seeker from there with an exceptionally thin skin and big mouth. No wonder these guys dance around as anonymous.

He fits the word "loser" to a tee.

And WTF happened to this clown kimlee? Any doubt this pussified fool showed up only because he was getting his feelings hurt? He's obviously just another WoVer alias embarrassed how RS keeps getting the best of them. He's so scared he doesn't even want his new anonymous name associated with an old one. Now that's pure cowardice.

[Kim Lee]

WTF happened to kimlee?

Unlike you, I don't spend all my time monitoring this forum. You obviously have enough time to arrange escrow with Nersesian.

You have ducked challenges for many years. I see a $25K challenge thread on this very forum. Then you posted you need a $100K bankroll for two sessions, and then it must be matched by a $400K escrow. I don't think you have $400K. So first escrow your money. Then I will proceed. I don't intend to monitor this thread. KewlJ knows where to find me.

[mickeycrimm]

WTF happened to kimlee?

Unlike you, I don't spend all my time monitoring this forum. You obviously have enough time to arrange escrow with Nersesian.

You have ducked challenges for many years. I see a $25K challenge thread on this very forum. Then you posted you need a $100K bankroll for two sessions, and then it must be matched by a $400K escrow. I don't think you have $400K. So first escrow your money. Then I will proceed. I don't intend to monitor this thread. KewlJ knows where to find me.

What happened, Rob? It looks like you haven't done enough to scare Kim Lee off. Keep trying. You'll find something to weasel out of the bet.

[kewlJ]

If you had your way the whole board would of been banned long ago except for you and the members you PM or associate with.

Did gaming investigate the El Cortel yet and find any evidence of cheating the players?

Ok, I'll respond first to the El Cortez situation. I brought the situation to light, because I don't think it is right that any casino cheat like that, including cheating unsuspecting ploppie players, who have no clue they are being cheated. The fact that a handful of AP's were taking advantage of that situation, doesn't change that.

From the beginning I said that is as far as I was willing to go. My reasons may be selfish, but that's the way it is. The result is that the machines in question were pulled from the floor and have yet to make a return. Others indicated they might be willing to get involved with bringing a case by gaming. Whether that has gone anywhere I have no idea. You only have a brief period of time to bring a case and request the surveillance tape necessary. I suspect nothing happened within that time period, but I don't know. I am not involved. From my perspective, I brought the situation to light, warning both AP's and non-AP's, as well as letting the casinos know that somebody is watching, hopefully deterring this kind of thing in the future.

I can tell you this. Having looked into this situation, I have learned some things about these machines. There is a small irregularity with all models of these machines that can benefit the player. Not enough to turn the advantage on it's own, but every little bit helps. And if I encounter this particular model again, which presents a much larger player opportunity, as I have twice now in the past couple years, I will handle the situation differently. That too may be selfish and again that's the way it is.



As per me wanting the whole board banned: Not true. I would like less trolling and personal attacks. Those that choose to believe advantage play doesn't exist, that is fine. Believe the earth is flat if you want. But your attacks and arguments should not be personal as this group of anti-APer's attacks are. I mean if attacking someone's spouse, or sexuality or drinking addiction that they have overcome, is all you have, then you really don't have much of a case do you? So yeah, I would like to see some of these guys that just attack people and not the subject be banned. Some of them contribute not a single positive thing ever except attack, like Singer and coach belly. What has coach belly ever contributed in a positive manner to the forum?

I personally would like to see a forum with more productive discussion. And that can't happen with this current environment of personal attacks rather than attacking the subject matter. This forum actually wasted a good opportunity to get some knew knowledgeable members of late. That post you made over at BJTF, linking to this site, while not it's intent served to draw some legitimate players over here to take a look. I see 8 or 9 members that signed up, with handles that I recognized and I am sure even more took a look without signing up. Of those that signed up, some read and were turned off before ever posting. 4 or 5 posted a bit and have all but disappeared.

So we are right back to where we always are. Three or four bitter, angry, anti-APer's attacking and trying to discredit anyone who has any success at the casinos. Singer misleading players with mathematically impossible claims and personally attacking anyone who challenges his "alternative mathematics". Alan, supporting and enabling Singer as he has done for years. So yeah, monet, I am in favor of going in a different direction.

[kewlJ]

Let me just say something about KimLee, who I know from BJ21 several years ago, but have lost tough with, until the last month. KimLee is a legitimate, very successful advantage player. I am only familiar with his blackjack play. But he is an 'outside the box' thinker. I can only imagine some of his non-BJ advantage plays.

For at least a while, later in his career he employed a very unique approach that didn't appeal to me, but was very successful for him. He also has some ideas, like that a players entire wealth including home, is his bankroll, that I have never accepted or felt comfortable with. So it isn't like I am endorsing everything KimLee does or stands for. Different strokes for different people. That's what makes for a good discussion. People sharing what they do and what works for them and others deciding if that may benefit themselves. Not all these attacks of a personal nature.

I also am not aware of KimLee ever participating at WoV. Maybe he has and I am just not aware of it. But I believe this is just another goofy thing Singer made up.

I am little surprised to see KimLee engaging with Singer as I have not seen that kind of thing from him before. But, I suspect, similar to my situation which lead to my banning at 2 forums, it gets to a point where a legitimate player sees someone like a Singer completely misleading players with alternative math and completely impossible claims, that you just feel the need to call them out and set the record straight.

[Rob.Singer]

You guys are nothing more than a bunch of anonymous hacks. If you had any credibility you wouldn't be hiding behind anonymity when you claim to be making legitimate challenges and claim to be some kind of gambling "pros". And isn't it nice to see that the phony BJ "pro" knows the coward "challenger"....

Kimchee you don't even know how to make a legitimate challenge--let alone have even a fraction of the funds your mouth gets you in trouble making it with. Let this be a lesson for the next time you get irritated with someone else's success: understand what you are betting against; and when you propose a bet be prepared to put up your escrow first. Had I not deposited/identified for verification the $640,000 prior to making the Fezzik challenge public in 2 LV publications, I'd have looked like a phony. So tell me kew....how do you think your big-shot/all-mouth hero of a "widely known gambling savant" looks to everyone who's been following this? I'll tell you--he's seen as just another broke LV gambling theorist who peddles bs. Just about your speed.

Next time you get some fool to do your dirty work make sure you both know what your getting yourselves into--and who you're going up against. IE: Wise up.

[coach belly]

So first escrow your money. Then I will proceed.

When you step up to bet someone or some entity, first you lay your money down,
then the other party chooses to accept or reject the action...isn't that the way it works?

Are there fees or risks associated with escrow?

If not, then the challenger should escrow the money first.

Once that happens, then Singer either accepts the challenge and escrows his money,
or he does not...in which case he backs down...game over, and we never have to
hear of this again.

[Rob.Singer]

WTF happened to kimlee?

Unlike you, I don't spend all my time monitoring this forum. You obviously have enough time to arrange escrow with Nersesian.

You have ducked challenges for many years. I see a $25K challenge thread on this very forum. Then you posted you need a $100K bankroll for two sessions, and then it must be matched by a $400K escrow. I don't think you have $400K. So first escrow your money. Then I will proceed. I don't intend to monitor this thread. KewlJ knows where to find me.

What happened, Rob? It looks like you haven't done enough to scare Kim Lee off. Keep trying. You'll find something to weasel out of the bet.

You seem so uneasy mickey as you watch your "ap friends" go down in flames over this. I wonder why I haven't seen you comment on Kim's direct wording in his challenge post: MATCH ANY AND ALL WINS AND LOSSES! So you, as the claimed "expert" who knows my play strategy, should easily be able to decide that this means up to $57,200/session in potential losses, and up to $402,499/session in potential wins.

You should be happy that I gave your idol a break with the $402,499.

The problem here is, you and your pals' minds just aren't as sharp as mine. It gets you people in verbal trouble at almost every turn, then you all look to each other for comfort by doing what you accuse the liberals of always doing: telling half truths, ignoring the most pertinent facts, then spinning the tale into a safe-space comfort zone for weak & like-minded people.

Not a good recipe for credibility.....

[coach belly]

So yeah, I would like to see some of these guys that just attack people and not the subject be banned.

Then you would be banned.

How many of your 1762 posts on this forum have you used to attack Alan personally?

Someone should compile them all to show you how hypocritical your statement above is,
hypocritical that is unless you were referring to yourself as foremost among "these guys".

[Deech]

[QUOTE=coach belly;72255]

So first escrow your money. Then I will proceed.

When you step up to bet someone or some entity, first you lay your money down,
then the other party chooses to accept or reject the action...isn't that the way it works?


I agree. The questions are, who made the first bet and who is accepting the bet?

[Alan Mendelson]

In this thread kewlj made the challenge for his particular bet so he should provide evidence that his money is in escrow. Then Rob should decide about kewlj's challenge.

This should be a laugh and a half. Is the evidence of escrow going to show the name of "kewlj" or the true legal identity of kewlj?

Is kewlj going to put up real dollars or his banked +EV?

Kewlj has been calling out Rob using Rob's true name so shouldn't kewlj be using his true name?

Hollywood couldn't dream this stuff up.

[MisterV]

Who cares if KJ or anyone else remains anonymous in the context of a bet?

Escrow instructions can easily be crafted in that regard.

As the bet does not in fact seem to be dead it would behoove the players to start crafting escrow instructions to clearly define the bet, its parameters, and payment details.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

[mickeycrimm]

Ok, I have had enough of this nonsense. It has been a year now of this fraud making his mathematically impossible claims of making first 900K, now up to 1.5 million while playing negative expectation video poker. And at the same time, tearing down my and other AP's claims.

It is time to put your money where you mouth is.

Singer / Argentino now claims he has made 1.5 million playing negative expectation video poker.

I claim I have made a total of 1.2 million in my AP career ($938,000 from blackjack).

I propose we each deposit $100,000 into escrow with a top public audit firm. The Audit firm will review tax records for the years in question and provide an accurate amount that we each have won, reported and paid taxes on. Whoever is closest wins and will receive the entire $200,00 placed in escrow, less the audit firm fees.

Short and sweet. If this is too high stakes for you Singer / Argentino, perhaps you can get, slingshot, coach belly, Alan and some of your other supporters to throw in with you. I don't care how you go about it as long as you have 100k, to deposit in escrow. (your EBT card funds not acceptable)

I don't want to him and haw talk about this for weeks on end. I am prepared to do this immediately. I can deposit my escrow amount as early as Monday, July 9, 2018.

My tax guy has recommended Tompkins and Peters, CPA Audit here in Las Vegas, a well know tax audit firm with 30 years experience and a solid reputation. Neither I nor my tax representative is associated with Tompkins and Peters. If you are uncomfortable with this particular firm, I am sure we can find another that we both are comfortable with. But again I am not interested in playing you little internet troll / stalling games. I want this done now! In the next week.

Awaiting your reply big shot.

Bump. This was the very first post in this thread. As you can see KJ challenged Rob to a bet. That was three weeks ago. Rob has not accepted the bet. Rob, who did you say was chickenshit?

[mickeycrimm]

perhaps you can get coach belly to throw in with you.

I can deposit my escrow amount as early as Monday, July 9, 2018

I'm not in for the whole $100K, unless there's a double-or-nothing challenge of my choice.

But how much would it cost me to see your audit?

Go right ahead and deposit your escrow amount on Monday, and confirm that here.

Damn, Belly, you're an idiot. You want to bet but put in a stipulation, in case you lose, where you can easily get your money back on a sucker bet. Chickenshit motherfucker.

[mickeycrimm]

Kewlj your challenge will never work. You wrote "amount that we each have won, reported and paid taxes on."

The problem for your challenge is that Rob didn't pay taxes for multiple years. He says he filed a Schedule C as a professional and offset his profits with everything including parties, dinners with his wife, and even supermarket groceries. If true and if he really got away with it that means he AP'd the IRS.

So you'd have to amend your challenge. Make it gross winnings as shown on tax records. That is the real test.

So all Rob got for ten years of video poker play was some parties, dinners and groceries.

[mickeycrimm]

Re: my deductions on schedule C for many facets of my spending life that I took: these, again, were all approved in audits because they were interpreted as the IRS manual interprets them. Try it sometime you poor little fools. It's the ultimate AP move. And Alan, we paid plenty of taxes when I filed Schedule C. There was plenty of other income besides gambling each year.

The above statement is highly suspicious. The IRS is very strict on who can file as a professional gambler. It has to be your primary source of income. Since, after expenses, Rob had no income from video poker, why did the IRS allow him to file as a professional gamber when he had other income? Highly suspicious.

[Alan Mendelson]

I still disagree about the definition of professional gambler. I know people who file multiple Schedule Cs for different businesses.

But I also questioned and have always questioned Rob writing off all of his casino profits with spending that included parties, groceries and dinners with his wife.

Ya know, when you never have an annual profit you don't have these problems. LOL

[mickeycrimm]

There was a simpler challenge. Fezzik offered to meet Rob Singer at his favorite licensed casino machines, and match any wins and losses. For example, if Singer won $2,000, then Singer would keep those winnings, and Fezzik would pay Singer an additional $2,000. But if Singer lost $3,000, then Singer must also pay Fezzik $3,000. This is very simple to understand and administer. Obviously Singer refused the challenge, because he is an internet blowhard poseur.

There is plenty of capital ready to fade Singer's action. It would be easy for Singer to arrange the Fezzik challenge, but he will never do it. So this whole thing is quite boring to me. I've seen this movie, and know how it ends.

In the Interview with an AP thread Rob made a challenge on 17 Aug 2018. The bet was for 25K plus whatever Rob wins or loses on the play. Kim Lee made his first post right here in this thread on 23 Aug 2018. He gave us some history and told us there was plenty of money around to fade Singer's action.

[redietz]

Re: my deductions on schedule C for many facets of my spending life that I took: these, again, were all approved in audits because they were interpreted as the IRS manual interprets them. Try it sometime you poor little fools. It's the ultimate AP move. And Alan, we paid plenty of taxes when I filed Schedule C. There was plenty of other income besides gambling each year.

The above statement is highly suspicious. The IRS is very strict on who can file as a professional gambler. It has to be your primary source of income. Since, after expenses, Rob had no income from video poker, why did the IRS allow him to file as a professional gamber when he had other income? Highly suspicious.

Not at all likely in light of his claim to have lost the previous five years or more as an alleged "advantage player." Presumably he would have had to offset the wins the previous five years with detailed records of losses, since his losses were substantial (200K or more). He must have rung up a boatload of wins with accompanying W2Gs, assuming he was playing 98 to 99% video poker. Detailed records of losses would have been required.

So to start off claiming "professional" status the following year, he would have had to demonstrate why or how his approach had been and would continue to be different from what he had done before. Or, conversely, he would have to have entered into a partnership with someone, or started a gaming entity, and brought another individual into it with a proven track record of winning so as to explain why or how he would suddenly qualify as a "professional."

Argentino knows this, of course. That's why no tax returns to Mr. Mendelson. They would either put the lie to the entire story or reveal another party as the rationale for the sudden ability to file as a professional.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob Singer, since you have been making extraordinary claims for years, it is not my obligation to jump through hoops. But $114,600 in mutual escrow is acceptable. Let me know where and roughly when you want to meet.

In response to Kim Lee's first post Rob made a post demanding money be put in escrow. The next day Kim Lee makes his 2nd post as you can see above. Kim Lee is obviously accepting Rob's challenge. And he says money in escrow is acceptable.

That's when Rob starts to do the tap dance. He says Kim Lee made the challenge therefore he (Kim Lee) must be the first to put money in escrow. NO HELL NO ROB!!! YOU WERE THE ONE WHO MADE THE CHALLENGE. KIM LEE DID NOT MAKE A CHALLENGE. HE ACCEPTED YOUR CHALLENGE!!!!

The only thing negotiable is the amount in escrow. Anyone that says Kim Lee made the challenge is a complete idiot.

ROB, YOU MADE THE CHALLENGE. SOMEONE ACCEPTED.

And since you say that whoever makes the challenge must put their money in escrow first, get to it!! PUT YOUR FRICKIN' MONEY IN ESCROW.