Rob Singer didn't beat video poker

[mickeycrimm]

Look at this: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-poker-machine

Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games but rob beats it every day. Yeah, right.

[jbjb]

Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games...

This. Not a large enough sample size. Add in the fact that it's TDB with its ridiculous variance AND the fact it's Double Super Times Pay, so add in a lot more ridiculous variance! All that and the fact that nobody is playing the game optimally.

[Rob.Singer]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

[mickeycrimm]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.

[Rob.Singer]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.

Sure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.

Wise up.

[mickeycrimm]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.

Sure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.

Wise up.

I've also made more money than you claim to have made. If you google internet coward you will find your picture.

[slingshot]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.

[mickeycrimm]

Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.

Have you bought the RV yet?

[a2a3dseddie]

This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.

slingshot,

What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?

[slingshot]

This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.

slingshot,

What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?

Well, for one, no matter how smart a player or how long he continues to play, there is a limit to how far he/she can play to overcome the casino edge. This became readily evident this year as I tried to play through my winnings. It was too easy to fall in the "if I can win a little keep playing to win more" trap. My worst year ever. And all I had to do was reverse my thinking. MATH is a TRAP and the casinos actually thrive on highly intelligent people who think they have the smarts to beat them. That's why Rob- with a $175k bankroll- was able to accumulate $984k over 10 years with just a 5% or less win goal. So simple! And yet would I have the discipline to start with $57k and leave the moment I won JUST $2,500? Now take that down to the quarter level. Could I stop after a $5-$15 win on a machine? Sounds like not even worth the trouble but ever so often the quads DO hit and $60- $200 wins do pay for some extras WHILE allowing some freeplay and meals. And then one day- by sheer luck- comes the $500-$1,000 Aces/Royal win. And my weird breathing/congestive throat feeling doesn't become a factor at nights. Sure, I wish I had the larger bankroll but that's just life and how well I prepared for retirement. And there's no way that I can touch- or would want to- the $250k trust that so far stays the same each year. Peanuts to you guys. Thankfully, the strategies work at all levels.

[slingshot]

You guys will have to excuse me from all this- I don't have any taste for it, anymore. I have 3 sons- one whose son just pitched a championship game win and whose daughter is a true "tomboy" and has driven in several winning runs. It's such a joy to watch the videos. My oldest son works with the children at St Jude's, and his daughter is a beautiful lil' ballerina with all sons in academic excellence. Their mother is a church worker/administrator and constantly sends videos. My middle son had his beautiful daughter after several failures and himself worked as a computer consultant sent to several COUNTRIES! She is CUTE personified. This has been taking a lot of my time- that and being -I guess- a respected member on several hobby forums. I go from extreme joy for my blessings to the darkness of this forum. I apologize- but I don't want to appear as someone who "tucked tail and ran", as we say in Texas.

[AxelWolf]

This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.

slingshot,

What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?

Well, for one, no matter how smart a player or how long he continues to play, there is a limit to how far he/she can play to overcome the casino edge. This became readily evident this year as I tried to play through my winnings. It was too easy to fall in the "if I can win a little keep playing to win more" trap. My worst year ever. And all I had to do was reverse my thinking. MATH is a TRAP and the casinos actually thrive on highly intelligent people who think they have the smarts to beat them. That's why Rob- with a $175k bankroll- was able to accumulate $984k over 10 years with just a 5% or less win goal. So simple! And yet would I have the discipline to start with $57k and leave the moment I won JUST $2,500? Now take that down to the quarter level. Could I stop after a $5-$15 win on a machine? Sounds like not even worth the trouble but ever so often the quads DO hit and $60- $200 wins do pay for some extras WHILE allowing some freeplay and meals. And then one day- by sheer luck- comes the $500-$1,000 Aces/Royal win. And my weird breathing/congestive throat feeling doesn't become a factor at nights. Sure, I wish I had the larger bankroll but that's just life and how well I prepared for retirement. And there's no way that I can touch- or would want to- the $250k trust that so far stays the same each year. Peanuts to you guys. Thankfully, the strategies work at all levels.

If one actually believed deep down that they had a winning system they would be using ALL their funds to bump up levels and make that cash. But not even you believe deep down the system really works. Its just a fancy way to entertain yourself.

[jbjb]

If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!

[kewlJ]

If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!

AND ALAN!

It is no wonder these two life long losers and degenerate gamblers are so bitter and hateful towards anyone who has made some money from casinos. I mean to the point of denying basic mathematical principals. AND being that these two haters and losers are the top two leading posters on this forum (by volume not usefulness), it is no wonder this forum has evolved into an anti-AP bias.

And being that these two haters are the leading posters on this site, it is no wonder Dan Druff refuses to do anything about it. Dan talks a good game, but no forum owner wants to see volume decline and discussion cease on his forum. And that is exactly why Dan refuses to do anything about these two anti-AP, haters and even explains why untrue to his word, Dan Druff reversed course and invited Singer back.

[Ozzy]

If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!

This is definitely your funniest out of your 10000+ posts...glad your still posting here!!

[Rob.Singer]

Kew, as long as there are anonymous relevance-seekers and those who only talk a big game like you and mickey, this forum will never see a decline. You guys make the absurd claims; more intelligent people debunk them. Then you huff and puff and whine like a little wussy, and mickey takes a few gulps of cheap booze so he has the courage to tell those who disagree with him how he's gonna murder them.

Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj stop your whine and rant about me being anti AP. It's old and it's wrong. You are the number one hater on this forum.

[tableplay]

Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.

Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.

[Deech]

Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.

Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.

I was wondering who was going to be the first individual to jump all over that comment.

[Rob.Singer]

Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.

Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.

I'm not up to speed on that issue, but I do know nobody can ever touch a 401k outside of possibly bankruptcy court and maybe the IRS.