"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
What's your speed, Rob? If you played 4 hours a week I'll give you credit for 3000 hands per week. You can see Rob's math here is "eventually a quad or better will appear." Who can object to that? Sure it will, eventually. Rob was most likely holding a lone Ace about every 8 hands at DDB. How often would he connect for a quad on them? Well, you can't get that math from Rob. So here it is:
When you hold a lone Ace there are 47 cards remaining in the deck. There is 1 three-card combination that makes 3 Aces. The fourth card on the draw would have to be one of the 44 remaining sidecards, so 44 combinations that make quad Aces. How many combinations are left in the deck?
47X46X45X44/4X3X2X1 means there are 178,365 combinations left in the deck.
178,365/44 means the chance of converting the lone Ace into quads is 1 in 4,054. But Rob might make the lone Ace hold just 350 times a session.
The frequency of making 4 Aces this way would be 8 X 4054 = 32,452.
Rob played maybe 3000 hands per week. He might make quad aces this way every 11 weeks, maybe five times a year. But if you listen to Rob he did it practically every week. He has magical powers to make it happen.
Last edited by mickeycrimm; 07-16-2018 at 05:49 AM.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Here's an example of how people have absolutely no knowledge of Rob's Special Plays but believe they do and make what are absolutely ridiculous statements about Rob's strategy. From the following by Mickeycrimm, mickeycrimm makes it seem Rob is always holding a lone ace no matter what else is dealt with it:
"Rob was most likely holding a lone Ace about every 8 hands at DDB."
Mickey do you really think that if Rob were dealt AJJ67 that he would ONLY hold the ace?
LOL
Mickeycrimm wrote "Alan says you played that high only a couple of times. Which one of you is lying? You've bragged repeatedly about a couple of $100,000 W2-G's and at least one $50K W2-G. On $100 DDBP the W2-G's would be 400K, 200K, 80K, 40K, 25K. I don't recall you ever bragging about those amounts."
Rob told me he hit two $100k royals on $25 games. The $50k came at the Wynn and he posted the photo on this forum which launched the claims that the photo was doctored because the $25 symbol was off center. That's when I made a trip from LA to check it out and with a photo I confirmed the $25 symbol was off center.
Rob never told me about any W2Gs from $100 video poker yet we all know any three of a kind would generate one and a straight or flush might mean a win goal was met.
I think the $100 game questions are pointless since Rob in all the years I've known him has never mentioned big $100 hands. He has told me he's primarily playing at $25.
He also said that as a pro he might have met his $2500 win goals on $5 games which is totally possible.
It was unlikely a win goal of $2500 was reached at $1 or $2. And Rob did not play multi line machines as I recall our conversations.
Mickey makes stuff up because he's too dumb to reason things out, and all he does is poorly try to rearrange reality.
Of course I got W2G's the few times I needed to play the $100 machines. As you basically said, you get one for every trip and higher. My largest win on them was four 2's on BP. $20k.
I do have a published five play strategy that goes from 25c thru $25, up to 2000 credits each. The five times I played it were all winners. The win goal was $1000.
The Wynn machine you checked on was where I hit $100k playing $25 TDBP with Aces & kicker. $50k winners were at Harrahs Tahoe and in Louisiana. Both on $25 TDBP. All during retirement.
Rob wrote "The Wynn machine you checked on was where I hit $100k playing $25 TDBP with Aces & kicker."
I think it was the quad 3s with kicker for $50k. I tried to find the thread. Can anyone help?
I've still got the $100k Aces pic from Wynn on my computer Alan. And I used it for my moniker when I joined Gambling Forums if you want to check there.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I am not a "vp expert." Not even close. I don't even play deuces wild without a strategy card in my pocket.
I simply ask the obvious questions that anyone would ask, such as "Were the systems discovered through experimentation, which would require many, many hours, or was there some phenomenal calculus discovery that provided formulas for the systems?" or "Why has nobody else come up with even one of the special plays that works when thousands of presumably intelligent people, math experts and gambling execs among them, are trying?" or "How does one convince the IRS that one should be allowed to file as a professional, which requires a model in place to make profits, when the previous five years have been losing years?"
None of these questions have anything to do with video poker. They are simple, obvious questions anyone would ask.
Last edited by redietz; 07-16-2018 at 12:22 PM.
Axelwolf, this is Alan's way of supporting his friend, sort of answering you and not denouncing him.
One thing we know for sure about Alan, it's that he wants to win money gambling. If he thought Rob's system could make him $1 million he would follow it. The fact that he doesn't speaks volumes.
I sometimes wonder why he hasn't let Rob 'train him' since they're such close friends?
Ya know eddie, since I'm not winning using conventional VP and I went to Dancer's classes and I used his software and read Grochowskis book, and i havent won, maybe I should get trained by Rob?
I think that's a great idea! Maybe bring slingshot along too!
I don't say that to be sarcastic or in an insulting way. Seriously.
You two are perhaps his biggest supporters on this forum. You both play a lot of VP. Let's see if you can be successful playing his way. He says he's trained hundreds of successful players, what's 2 more?
It would be great to read updates on how the 2 of you were doing. Since you live in Las Vegas now Alan, you could do multiple daily sessions. From the way Rob describes his financial situation (along with yours and your pension) putting together another $172,000 bankroll doesn't seem like it would be a problem at all.
Last edited by a2a3dseddie; 07-16-2018 at 03:37 PM.
Sorry eddie but I'm not a supporter of the Rob Singer system. I am an advocate for accuracy. And I am an opponent of everyone who twists and turns the truth to serve their own agendas.
Now if Rob told me something about his system I'm going to make it known what that is when someone posts false info. That doesn't mean I support his system.
And fuck everybody who doesn't understand the difference. I'm pretty disgusted with all of the assholes.
I guess the next question is "Why aren't you a supporter?"
arcimede$, redietz, RS___, jbjb, mickeycrimm, kewlj, and so many others don't support his system based on the math. Why don't you? I mean, you just said you aren't winning using Dancer's or Grochowski's methods. What makes you think his system doesn't work?
Reason #1 is I wouldn't use his special plays. Since that's part of his system that gets me out.
Secondly I didn't even know about his other things such as the progression until he posted about it here.
My interview with him was about special plays and whether machines were rigged. It was not about the entire system.
Did you even read my report? Obviously not.
It's like he's been blowing Singer after taking it up the ass and finally realized "this tastes like shit."
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