No eddie. Not just the videos. Did you read this?
http://alanbestbuys.com/id261.html
And did you watch this?
And did you READ everything I wrote here including my doubts about what he says and does?
http://www.alanbestbuys.com/id194.html
I doubt it. If you did you wouldn't attack me the way you (that's plural you) do.
When I say you hold a lone ace every 8.5 hands how the hell do you read that as me saying he holds an ace every fucking hand. You are one dense motherfucker. Learn how to read you dummass bastard.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Don't call me an idiot because you're the idiot. Rob isn't going to hold lone aces on every fucking hand. So fuck offOriginally Posted by mickeycrimmYou don't know the stats on the frequency of holding a lone ace, idiot. I do. On DDB with optimal it every 8.5 hands. I'll show it to you on the software later.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
If he ever passes through Shreveport again, I will. I messed up my first visit. It would be interesting to see how close my comprehension of his strategies is. Of course, artt is my favorite and most versatile strategy. And since my taxes, insurances, and other unforeseeable hindrances are now taken care of, I plan on reporting on how I do. Of course, $50-$200 wins would probably be boring to those who play higher denoms. HOWEVER- if I hit 4 A's/kicker or royal ($500/$1000) I will play take and play the exciting $5 machine artt style, bonus poker at 1,2,&5 credits, win $100/lose $100 and do it on video. (Usually lasts about 2 minutes). I will play it fully as I stopped other times at +$75, +$95, and once at +$105.Originally Posted by a2a3dseddieI think that's a great idea! Maybe bring slingshot along too!Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I don't say that to be sarcastic or in an insulting way. Seriously.
You two are perhaps his biggest supporters on this forum. You both play a lot of VP. Let's see if you can be successful playing his way. He says he's trained hundreds of successful players, what's 2 more?
It would be great to read updates on how the 2 of you were doing. Since you live in Las Vegas now Alan, you could do multiple daily sessions. From the way Rob describes his financial situation (along with yours and your pension) putting together another $172,000 bankroll doesn't seem like it would be a problem at all.
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In ten years that's all you got? One W-2G from making a quad? Yes sir! You really played a lot on the $100 level in that ten years. You betcha! You played the hundies so much in ten years that you hit one quad. LMFAO!!!Originally Posted by Rob.SingerMickey makes stuff up because he's too dumb to reason things out, and all he does is poorly try to rearrange reality.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Of course I got W2G's the few times I needed to play the $100 machines. As you basically said, you get one for every trip and higher. My largest win on them was four 2's on BP. $20k.
I do have a published five play strategy that goes from 25c thru $25, up to 2000 credits each. The five times I played it were all winners. The win goal was $1000.
The Wynn machine you checked on was where I hit $100k playing $25 TDBP with Aces & kicker. $50k winners were at Harrahs Tahoe and in Louisiana. Both on $25 TDBP. All during retirement.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Mickeycrimm why should Rob play $100 machines if he could reach his win goal on $5 machines?
mickey remains in the dark. He still doesn't realize that trips up yield a W2G on the $100 machine!
Yup----he's a real honest-to-goodness gambling expert alright! The density must be from not getting any of those Tuna Fish Face cheat sheets since the bum killed himself
If he has so much confidence that his system works and he has been successful for all these years he should be starting off at a higher level and working his way up to the $100 denominations more often. Lets say he start off playing .25 and normally only gets to the $5 level before he meets his win goal. Why not just start off at the .50 level?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Wouldn't it make sense that if you have a system you know works you would want to play higher denominations, in turn, you would make more money for the same amount of time?
WHY HAVENT YOU TRIED TO LEARN HIS SYSTEM?
Alan, Do you THINK Voodoo dolls work? Perhaps you have never used one and can't answer that question either.
I don't think Rob starts at the 25-cents level. LOL
Why are you Singer opponents (and that's exactly what you are) pounding me with the same questions?
You are trying to get me to say Rob's system doesn't work. Well, I'm not going to say it.
What I will say is that certain parts of it make perfect sense and certain parts of it I disagree with and there are a lot of parts of it I don't know.
I know Bonus Poker. I think I know it flawlessly. I'm comfortable playing it. Therefore playing Rob's system would make me uncomfortable since there are other games I don't know and would have to learn EVEN BEFORE Rob taught me his system.
And therein lies the reason for the hair on your ass over all this---you don't like other people's financial situations compared to yours! Why didn't you just come out and say it eddie? You'd have saved all that time feeling bad over it.Originally Posted by a2a3dseddieI think that's a great idea! Maybe bring slingshot along too!Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I don't say that to be sarcastic or in an insulting way. Seriously.
You two are perhaps his biggest supporters on this forum. You both play a lot of VP. Let's see if you can be successful playing his way. He says he's trained hundreds of successful players, what's 2 more?
It would be great to read updates on how the 2 of you were doing. Since you live in Las Vegas now Alan, you could do multiple daily sessions. From the way Rob describes his financial situation (along with yours and your pension) putting together another $172,000 bankroll doesn't seem like it would be a problem at all.
What's special to me these days is how so many companies have either done away with or reduced pension benefits....while both my wife and I rake the pension money in on the 1st of every month. And a special thank you shout-out to all of you who work one, two, or maybe three jobs and who put into the social security system, thereby sending YOUR monies to us! (I'd say thanks to your spouse's also, but the majority of you people are social losers).
God Bless America--is this a great country or what! I watch the haters lie, piss, moan, mislead and misrepresent....then we can sit back and get $100,000/yr. while having enuf in our retirement savings accounts to withdraw ten's or hundreds of thousands or more every year at least until we're both 123.
And the little people can't get over how I won so much playing -EV video poker.....sniffle sniffle!
(How's all that feel eddie?)
Alan, do you think any of these clowns could ever say the few truthful words you did here when it comes to knowledge about my strategy and why they don't play it? What we always see are stupid guesses from the likes of mickey, eddie, jbjb, etc. And they know this.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
But what you just did was piss them off even more. Common sense doesn't sit well with these guys.
Rob these video poker experts who already know the advanced games you use are the very people who should be finding out from you exactly how you play. They won't.
And maybe it's because they really aren't video poker experts to begin with?
Please explain what parts of his system make perfect sense? Let me guess, the win goals and stop losses or whatever he is calling them.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Really, a smart guy like you with all your accomplishments, someone one who has been gambling for years, someone who has already learned Bonus poker flawlessly, yet can't learn a few more VP strategies? You could have learned 10 new games in the time you spent arguing about the 2 dice problem.
You should know, It's not like you have to relearn each obvious hold. There are a few "tricks" you can learn to make things simple. Knowing when you need to start changing things is key. I.E. 2 pair does it pay 1 or 2 on a pair of J-A. Does the flush pay 7 or less. Does the str8 pay 4 or 5.
Even then, There are plenty of locations that won't say boo about having a printed strategy cards sitting in front of you. It may be a little slow at first but who cares if the system works. Why wouldn't anyone who believes there's a chance his buddies system works learn it? For god sakes man, if it works you have access to many casinos with the opportunity to make money 24/7 365. Add in comps, promos and mail and you have it made. All this for at most 40 hours of dedication sounds like a no-brainer to me. Wouldnt you like to have a winning year for once?
Rob when these various systems players come up with their nonsense systems, the first sign they are totally bunk is the fact that they cant come up with a percentage their system is worth. They can't even really estimate.
Do you play with a 1% 2% 3% 4% +++, dare I say advantage. If you cant come up with a percentage can you tell me what its worth on avrage per day given a certain bet spread and approximate number of hours and BR needed for suscess at that level?
Some observations:
Alan and slingshot are on here vehemently defending and supporting Singer's magical system. But both admit they don't know it or play it.
Alan comes on makes all sorts of statements and claims in support of Singer and his system. So member question him and he responds "Why are you asking me, why don't you ask Rob?"
When asked numerous times by Axelwolf if he believes Singer's so called system works, Alan never gives a yes or no answer...he always him-haws around as he is prone to do.
You know what this reminds me of? Alan's business..."Alan's best buys" where he endorses products that he doesn't really believe in because he is paid to. So knowing that Alan's endorsement can be bought, I gotta ask, although I doubt I will get a truthful answer....Alan do you benefit in any way by supporting Singer and his system?
He gets top bunk in Singers class A motor coach.
The dream catcher in the doorway blocks the nightmares of all the grief he has caused his family. Alan can't wait for Robbie to roundup enough gas money to make his visits.
One more time, I am going to state the facts...the real mathematical proven facts, not some alternative universe, twilight Zone shit that Singer is pushing and Alan and slingshot supporting, although they don't know or play the 'system'.
I gave Rob the platform to explain his system in detail and he did not do so, would not do, because he can't.
But what he did confirm in his round-about way is that it is a progressive betting system, in which he uses stop limits.
Fact 1.) Betting systems, including progressive systems cannot overcome a negative EV game and turn it into a positive EV or winning game. It just cannot happen. It is a proven fact.
Fact 2.) Stop limits do not change anything, unless you are going to quit right there for good, never to play again. Otherwise stop limits, whether win limits or loss limits, do not change the total distribution of wins and losses. That means stop limits also can not change a -EV game into a +EV game. It just can't happen.
Fact 3.) You cannot grind your way to any profits, let alone 1 million dollars plus profits, playing a -EV game (and Rob's special plays, go against optimal play, increasing the amount of -EV that the play is).
Fact 4.) The only way to score a longterm win on a negative EV game is to hit an extremely big jackpot. Since the highest payout in VP is 4000-1, to have made a profit of 1.5 million, Rob would have had to hit a Royal Flush playing a $500 denomination game (that's $2500 per spin). But that is not what he claims. He claims that he grinds his way to winning years, year after year, and that is impossible, mathematically impossible, playing a -EV game.
Now I am not going to continue to rehash the same arguments, with 3 or 4 people that are flat out delusion or in denial of the mathematics involved. My concern in calling out BS is always about other players being mislead, especially newer players. Well there aren't any new players here. There are the same 4-5 people on each side. The AP's arguing the math, Rob, Alan and a couple other bitter, delusion, old dudes, arguing that the earth is flat.
And yes MrV, I did throw in "old" into the mix, because quite frankly I am not sure age isn't playing a part in this. These men are so delusional, I am not sure it isn't the result of Alzheimer's / dementia effecting their thought and grip on reality. That is not a slap at anyone else other than these particular older guys that seem to be completely void of reality and in denial of the mathematics involved.
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Why are you LOL'ing at that?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Because it's impossible to reach a $2500 win goal playing 25-cents video poker without voodoo that gives you multiple royals between bathroom breaks.Originally Posted by AxelWolfWhy are you LOL'ing at that?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Kewlj asks: "..Alan do you benefit in any way by supporting Singer and his system?"
The answer is no. Now what?
Then can you explain why you vehemently support and make statements of support, of a system that you admit you don't know and don't play?? Is it just a friendship thing?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
If slingshot or Mr. Mendelson said that they knew the system)s), they'd be expected to know the system(s). That means they'd have to know all of the holds, and when you use the holds and when you don't, including if things get tweaked here or there, depending on game and the moment, and maybe if a machine was cycling hot or cold. If, however, those things are all fluid and Argentino-dependent, in other words -- if there is no system separate from Argentino and Argentino's fine judgements -- then it becomes necessary for slingshot and Mr. Mendelson to "not know the system(s)." If slingshot or Mr. Mendelson were to report that they fully know the system(s), then they would be expected to be able to answer the inconvenient questions. In other words, saying that you do not knowing the intricacies of voodoo saves you from having to explain or defend the voodoo in any detail. It's the old, "I don't really know how it works, but I'll cheerlead anyway." You see it with the families of paranormal claimants much of the time.
And to Axelwolf, I have asked the reverse question for many years, figuring it was more likely to be answered. "At what percentage return of video poker machines does the system(s) fail? Does it have a fail point?" Those questions have not been answered, and it's been a couple of years.
Now one can ask the question, is there a system(s) at all if nobody but Argentino can execute it?
Argentino's entire gig is based on impressing with a high percentage session win rate, which most math folks have put at between 78% and 85%, depending on tweaks. If you substitute the phrase "session win rate" for "winning." then most of what Argentino says is probably true regarding his use of math. He's played with the factors to formulate the highest possible session win rates. This may be one reason Mr. Mendelson harps on quitting when ahead. It's part of the meant-to-be-impressive veneer of the system(s).
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