July 8, 2018: The first day of the "Room Occupied" era at Caesars Vegas properties

[regnis]

Speaking of going after the low-hanging fruit, have you ever paid attention to the robberies which occur outside of LA-area poker rooms?

Some have been brutal, at times involving follow-home murders.

However, the victims are almost always women or the elderly.

They rarely seem to go after non-elderly men.

Why?

Because even though the robber still has a big edge when holding a gun or knife, he still doesn't want to take the chance to rob someone who might fight him, when he can easily pick on someone who is likely unable to fight back.

Pretty much the same thing goes for hotel room thefts.

Stop trying to Save the World you Fucking Crusader! Man has been killing Man for Millennia just because he can let alone for a days wage or meals or shoes or what the fuck ever. You and your Crusading Mission in the Poker Community or in Life in general isn't ever going to change that so as the running joke goes... "Knock Knock."

Didn't you mean to say "Fucking Jew Crusader" Monet?

[Alan Mendelson]

If you deny them entry over and over again they can throw you out of the hotel. I think Dan was threatened with this one time. Dan?

[MisterV]

I understand they can evict you; but how do they evict you if you bolt the door and repeatedly and unambiguously deny them access?

What will they do when that scenario unfolds (I expect it will someday): have SWAT blow the door with explosives?

[Alan Mendelson]

They very easily can drill the dead bolt lock... and probably charge your credit card for the damage.

[LarryS]

Dan, times have changed. I'm all for inspections. Just do it when I'm not sleeping. There are probably 14 hours in a day when they can come in my room.

I know we discussed this before but I also want housekeeping every day including fresh towels and sheets. I can protect my valuables, so yes I want service.

I think you need to rent a house or an apartment from now on for the WSOP. Community safety is the priority and not a no-enter room for Dan.

are you kidding? This is a town that prides itself on the "what happens in vegas stays in vegas" mantra......where people are partying all night and sleeping all day.

so when do you walk in a room.....a 3 am when some peole are just getting in. Or at 11 am when they are into 3 hours of sleep?

when people start saying "i am not going to stay out late or go to shows or clubs because i want to be awake for "room check".....then vegas hotels have a problem

[LarryS]

I do agree though that they have the roght to do this. I mean if they are subject to a barage of lawsuits if a guy with guns stockpiles them in his room and then picks off people......then they have to mitigate their potential liability.

The thing is this is the cheapo way of dealing with a problem. They could instead hire extra peole and basically do an airport xray of all luggage coming in. Some hotels in europe already do this.

However witht he size of the hotels and the lines that form at check in time.....they would have to hire a bunch of people to keep things moving....and so they go for the cheap way out.

Now if someone wanted to hide a few dis-assembled rifles under the Mattress.....will the security guys be lifting up and peeking under matresses? I am thinking they dont go that far. and if luggage has a lock on it....anything vcan be overlooked as well. This in my opinion is ineffective for what they want to accomplish.

even if they had xray machines screening luggage,,,,,,a person could bing up pieces of a weapon piece by piece by piece from the trunk of his car or from a friends home, or from a fleabag hotel.....

[Dan Druff]

I do agree though that they have the roght to do this. I mean if they are subject to a barage of lawsuits if a guy with guns stockpiles them in his room and then picks off people......then they have to mitigate their potential liability.

The thing is this is the cheapo way of dealing with a problem. They could instead hire extra peole and basically do an airport xray of all luggage coming in. Some hotels in europe already do this.

However witht he size of the hotels and the lines that form at check in time.....they would have to hire a bunch of people to keep things moving....and so they go for the cheap way out.

Now if someone wanted to hide a few dis-assembled rifles under the Mattress.....will the security guys be lifting up and peeking under matresses? I am thinking they dont go that far. and if luggage has a lock on it....anything vcan be overlooked as well. This in my opinion is ineffective for what they want to accomplish.

even if they had xray machines screening luggage,,,,,,a person could bing up pieces of a weapon piece by piece by piece from the trunk of his car or from a friends home, or from a fleabag hotel.....

I mostly agree with this.

Actually, hotels could easily screen luggage without causing a big line because people check in at varied times. It's not like a plane where everyone shows up at roughly the same time, and where the airport serves tons of different flights.

How often do you see others coming upstairs with luggage at the same time as you? Not that often, right?

So if hotels really wanted to solve the problem, they could post a guard and an X-Ray machine at the elevators. People with luggage would have to go through the machine, and people without luggage could walk right through.

But as you said, this would cost money, and hotels are cheap, so instead they are doing this lame room inspection thing.

What's also so stupid is the fact that someone could easily get around this by buying two rooms, keeping the guns in one room, calling the maid for the second room, then moving the guns into the second room when she leaves, and then calling the maid to the first room. This would satisfy the "maid was there within the past 24 hours" requirement, and that would be that.

Or they could just bring multiple suitcases up from their car over the 24 hour period, and no one would be the wiser.

Just because Paddock took 4 days to bring all the guns up doesn't mean that he HAD to take 4 days. It was just the slightly more cautious way to go about it.

[Dan Druff]

If you deny them entry over and over again they can throw you out of the hotel. I think Dan was threatened with this one time. Dan?

Never happened.

I never was threatened with ejection from any hotel for any reason.

I did have arguments with the Rio in prior years (before the Paddock incident) where they wanted to enter rooms every 3 days. I was able to talk them out of it every year, but one particular year (I think 2015), the housekeeping supervisor decided to overrule the front desk and forced the maid to go into the room.

I happened to return to the room when she was in there with 2 other people (not sure who they were -- some other employees), and she was literally crying, because she had already promised me not to go in, and really didn't want to do this.

"My boss force me, my boss force me! I no want to!", she said, with tears streaming down before I even said anything.

I told her not to worry, and I wasn't mad at her.

I marched down to the VIP room and asked WTF happened here, and they sheepishly admitted that the notes indicated that the housekeeping supervisor decided to overrule them, which wasn't his place to do. He was on a power trip and didn't like being told by the front desk to deviate from policy, even though they had every right to do so.

I reported this to the hotel manager, and let's just say that supervisor got a "talking to" and didn't do it again.

Anyway, I don't even bother trying to talk them out of it in post-Paddock Vegas, for obvious reasons.

[Dan Druff]

BTW I checked out on July 10, and they hadn't entered on July 7, 8, or 9, despite the claim that the check could be "every 24 hours, but probably more like every 48".

Room was checked on July 6 (after I had been there 4 days), and that was it.

[LarryS]

But legally, if they institute something and do it ineffectively...then I dont think they are off the hook from lawsuits. I think it makes them even more liable because they recognize there is a problem and they take a cheap ineffective way to solve it.

all this does is tells a wouldbe killer not to accumulate guns in the room over a period of days....they should bring them up and do their damage within 24 hours. How does this solve anything

[Alan Mendelson]

Larry as of October 1st every lawyer and casino in Vegas knew the world changed. Having room inspections now is not going to wake everybody up to the dangers. The inspections are coming to all hotels. Just deal with it.

[LarryS]

are you mentally ill/???? I said above that the hotels have the right to do it...but its an ineffective way of dealing with a real problem. And its a cheap ineffective way....when there are better, less intrusive ways of preventing catastrophes.

not only should you read....but you should also try to comprehend.

Look at the first sentence in post 26...what part of it dont you understand that would make you feel that I need to "get over it" I fucking concede that they have the right.
Now I went on to say that its ineffective and there is a better way that costs more money......and if you want to argue that the current method is the best way...then I am ready to hear you.

But your fucking lazy mans debate of "get over it"......if for the level of a downs syndrome poster who may not be able to totally comprehend what is being said or argued.

you are no different than tasha......same comprehension and sharpness level.

please stop making yourself a punching bag.....you may like the feeling...but its sad

[jbjb]

Larry as of October 1st every lawyer and casino in Vegas knew the world changed. Having room inspections now is not going to wake everybody up to the dangers. The inspections are coming to all hotels. Just deal with it.

Are landlord allowed to just enter the house you're renting from them at any time they wish? If the answer is no (and I don't know what the law is there) then this should be challenged in court.

[LarryS]

Larry as of October 1st every lawyer and casino in Vegas knew the world changed. Having room inspections now is not going to wake everybody up to the dangers. The inspections are coming to all hotels. Just deal with it.

Are landlord allowed to just enter the house you're renting from them at any time they wish? If the answer is no (and I don't know what the law is there) then this should be challenged in court.

A landlord is allowed to do background checks on all tenants. So I guess it could be argued that the 2 occupants are not similar in the eyes of landlords/hotel managers. And in alot of states a landlord can enter your home as long as he gives you proper notice. Sothe hotels are giving everyone proper notice in some way when they register. Probably in something they sign along with their rates and such that they sign anyway at the check in desk.

[MisterV]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the MB shooter wasn't just some dirtbag who booked his stay with Expedia; he was an orca (baby whale) fully comped by a host.

He had a big suite, not a small room.

What are the chances that Ma and Pa Kettle, staying in an average room on their own dime, would have been able to sneak in an arsenal like he did?

Maybe they should focus more on the comped guests in suites than on the hoi polloi in the cheap rooms.

[LarryS]

before the shooting and now, you can bring in suitcases of arms, hand grenades, flame throwers,machetes without being questioned or noticed. A xray machine with trained guards would at least help solve that hole in security.

All the new policy does is say to the bad men.....please act quickly within 24 hours once you bring the weapons into the room because we will not tolerate a cache of weapons in a room for more than 24-48 hours at a time. Soif you are a terrorist with a few knapsacks of grenades....set them off quickly or else you will be ejected.

[Alan Mendelson]

No Larry. You wrote "I think it makes them even more liable because they recognize there is a problem and they take a cheap ineffective way to solve it."

Doing nothing makes then more liable.

Now deal with it.

[LarryS]

No Larry. You wrote "I think it makes them even more liable because they recognize there is a problem and they take a cheap ineffective way to solve it."

Doing nothing makes then more liable.

Now deal with it.

ACTUALLY i AM DEALING WITH IT.....I am discussing a better way to protect the public. You are the sheep that follow the casino and do whatever they say. And as this board portrays....they keep fucking you and the rest of the public.

So now they come up with a window dressing approach to make people feel safe and show people that they are proactively doing something to thwart killers and terrorists. Its just smoke and mirrors. So no I dont have to quietly accept. I can call it for what it is.

If the general public doesnt demand that the casinos do more...then they will see more killings.

Vegas is a well know terrorist target because of the lifestyle it represents. Yet the casinos are slow to act. Its going to take at least another tragedy maybe more than one....to get the casinos in vegas to take this seriously and xray luggage.Hotels in europe already do it.

And they wont do it for 2 reasons
1- they dont want to pay for it
2- the sheep like allan will accept whatever they decide...so there are no consequences right now.

casinos know that the allans of the world will accept whatever they do...be it reduce comps, or provide a halfhearted attempt at security.

[Alan Mendelson]

So Larry what do you want? A TSA checkpoint at Stateline? Bomb/gun sniffing dogs in the hallways, xray scanners at every door, and 5/4 Jacks or Better to pay for it?

I'd be happy if they really come thru with this. Open eyes can help a lot. Did you know that Vegas cabbies now call in a report on all passengers and what luggage they have?

[MaxPen]

the sheep like allan will accept whatever they decide...so there are no consequences right now.

casinos know that the allans of the world will accept whatever they do...be it reduce comps, or provide a halfhearted attempt at security.

Master of the Obvious. Everyone who reads this forum knows Alan MendelFool is the cuck of all cucks. Maybe we should start addressing him as MendelCuck.