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  1. #1
    I make the simple statement, clearly, that:

    Argentino plays video poker using sub-optimal strategy, but says he outperforms optimal strategy because of his remarkable system(s).

    I have yet to have Argentino or Mr. Mendelson explain how the statement above is incorrect or inaccurate. By definition, not using the optimal holds is playing sub-optimally, so how can there be any question the statement as written is correct?


    But here we get into further questions regarding what is or isn't absurd. Understand what is being laid out here regarding the whole system(s) theory.

    Argentino and Mr. Mendelson explain that he uses optimal holds 95% to 98% of the time. So obviously Argentino accepts that the established, standard optimal holds are correct the vast majority of the time. Argentino has never claimed to have developed these holds, or mathematically established them by himself. He has used the traditionally accepted written strategies catalogued by others. So the vast majority of the time, he plays by standard optimal rules for holds and discards.

    Argentino has allegedly established, in a manner not clearly or explicitly described, that occasionally using sub-optimal holds along with jumps in denomination allows one to sidestep negative expectation lifetime results on negative expectation games. Now there's the rub. There are just two ways to have established that these systems are superior to traditional optimal play.

    First, one could establish this by trial and error. How many experimental hands and hours of video poker would have to be played to delineate that this or that tweaking of an optimal hold or discard, coupled with various denomination jumps, succeeds where others don't? One would have to play one helluva lot of video poker, meticulously keeping records and comparing this tweak to that and working through it. After all, nobody has, in the history of video poker, proved anything of the kind for just one sub-optimal hold. Surely thousands have tried. So experimenting like this and keeping meticulous records, comparing this tweak to that, switching and using various denomination jumps or sequences, that kind of experimentation could take years or lifetimes and many thousands of hours of video poker.

    Or, one could establish that the various sub-optimal holds and denomination jumps were superior to the traditional optimal holds via a math discovery. Perhaps a new calculus of some kind allowed a shortcut from tedious experimentation. That kind of calculus, while proprietary, would make Argentino a celebrity in the math world if he shared it. Argentino has not mentioned such a thing, however, so that doesn't seem to be the way he established his system(s).

    So how did Argentino come upon his system(s) if not experimentation or some kind of genius math breakthrough?

    I have no idea. He certainly, in all of his thousands of posts on various forums, has not been clear on the process. Did it all come to him in a sudden burst of inspiration? And why has nobody else ever stumbled onto even one aspect of it? There are at least a couple hundred million trying.

    If you step back and ask the simple questions, it begins to sound slightly absurd.

  2. #2
    Do you wake up in the morning and talk to yourself in the mirror while shaving?

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Do you wake up in the morning and talk to yourself in the mirror while shaving?
    Now that IS funny!! I worked with several people like that who seemed lost in space and would give their version of the day's roundup and we all just nodded to their comments to be polite.

  4. #4
    "Lost in space." Perfect.

  5. #5
    The guy's a jealous idiot with a hard-on. He's seen all the explanations etc., but because they seem too good and others might start to understand, he starts one of his silky threads again with his corny, stupid accusations.

    Let him go. He's obviously hurting.

  6. #6
    I had a sense of trouble when he started debating check vs cheque.

  7. #7
    Redietz has an excellent post. I have no idea why the initial responses were from Moe/Larry/Moe/Curley/Moe. Nothing was constructive. I would love to add my thoughts of sub optimal game playing. Yeah, it a few sentences, I said enough.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Do you wake up in the morning and talk to yourself in the mirror while shaving?
    No, but Rob does.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #9
    Rob beats the math because he only plays in the short term, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    And over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #11
    You can't reason or use logic with people that have the combined IQ of a baked potato. MendelFOOL and his cousin Rob are beyond hope.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You can't reason or use logic with people that have the combined IQ of a baked potato. MendelFOOL and his cousin Rob are beyond hope.
    I still think Mendlebread is by far the best nickname.

  13. #13
    I found the Mendelson/Argentino responses non sequiturs. I thought I laid out things clearly and simply, and asked the obvious, logical questions. Neither Mendelson nor Argentino addressed anything I asked, and these seem like very obvious questions anyone would ask. Certainly any thinking journalist with a little gambling experience would ask these questions. They are the first things that pop to mind.

    How long does it take to establish which of the many different holds should be tweaked and which should not? It seems like a daunting project that would require a long, long time. Then you've got to figure out when to use progressions and when not. Plus you have to establish why you should not reduce denominations at various points. Then you have to do the experimentation for each different machine, so maybe the protocols would be different for each variation of game. It seems absolutely like a lifetime of work, unless you have a calculus shortcut. These are obvious observations and questions.

    Argentino made the transition from standard, optimal hold AP to having this whole strategy squared away in a year or so. How did he manage that?

    I'm not exactly sure what trolling is, but the Mendelson/Argentino/slingshot responses here would seem to fit that definition. I'm not surprised they were back-to-back-to-back. So neither Mendelson nor slingshot have any interest in whether the systems were achieved through trial-and-error or a calculus breakthrough. I wonder why not.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You can't reason or use logic with people that have the combined IQ of a baked potato. MendelFOOL and his cousin Rob are beyond hope.
    And I was wondering why the baked "mendelbread" potato went from playing $25 VP to 25c VP. Either he absolutely sucks shit at running a business (ask his son, whom he hasn't paid) or he's really bad at gambling and doesn't know what he's doing. Actually, it's both reasons.


    Keep hitting the Small/Tall/All bets, that's for sure going to make you a winner.....just forget all the losing sessions like your boyfriend Rob Stringer does and you'll have made all your losses back in no time.
    #FreeTyde

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I found the Mendelson/Argentino responses non sequiturs. I thought I laid out things clearly and simply, and asked the obvious, logical questions. Neither Mendelson nor Argentino addressed anything I asked, and these seem like very obvious questions anyone would ask. Certainly any thinking journalist with a little gambling experience would ask these questions. They are the first things that pop to mind.

    How long does it take to establish which of the many different holds should be tweaked and which should not? It seems like a daunting project that would require a long, long time. Then you've got to figure out when to use progressions and when not. Plus you have to establish why you should not reduce denominations at various points. Then you have to do the experimentation for each different machine, so maybe the protocols would be different for each variation of game. It seems absolutely like a lifetime of work, unless you have a calculus shortcut. These are obvious observations and questions.

    Argentino made the transition from standard, optimal hold AP to having this whole strategy squared away in a year or so. How did he manage that?

    I'm not exactly sure what trolling is, but the Mendelson/Argentino/slingshot responses here would seem to fit that definition. I'm not surprised they were back-to-back-to-back. So neither Mendelson nor slingshot have any interest in whether the systems were achieved through trial-and-error or a calculus breakthrough. I wonder why not.
    You have no clue red and you just keep making a fool of yourself.

  16. #16
    Redietz I will no longer respond to you. I gave up on you when you continued to debate cheque vs check but wouldn't acknowledge writing for the ear vs writing for the eye. You nitpick. Say what you want about me but I'm done with you.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Redietz I will no longer respond to you. I gave up on you when you continued to debate cheque vs check but wouldn't acknowledge writing for the ear vs writing for the eye. You nitpick. Say what you want about me but I'm done with you.
    And as everyone suspects from his oddball writings--which have gotten longer and more rambling over time since he just can't seem to find the right itch-scratching words--there's something very creepy about him.

  18. #18
    OK, Red- you're obviously fishing for a response from me to prove to others I'm a troll, as you say. I have NO proof to any of his claims other than being adventurous enough to TRY his strategies - starting around 2012. I had a chance to meet with him in Shreveport and botched the whole deal when I used my wife's cell phone to answer and hit the wrong button- which terminated the call and I couldn't get back in touch immediately. He thought I dissed him off (what? You thought he'd be anxious to get back and try frantically to reach me?) and forgot the whole ordeal. That cost me about 2 years of figuring things out thru emails- which he did what he said he would do- he answered them. Finally, the message took and it was probably better I learned this way as I caught on fast by actual play/trial and error. YOU make up all your claims by grabbing whatever word/phrase can be twisted and fantasize a story as if actual fact. I doubt that Rob even thinks I understand his strategy totally, but I feel confident whenever I play.

  19. #19
    Redietz, the ad hominem attack against you in response to your opening query comes of course as no surprise.

    No doubt Singer developed his theories on the fly, without "doing the math;" nor was empirical testing employed prior to taking his game to the casino.

    No, it seems Singer came up with some notions, adjusted his game accordingly, and took it, untested, to the casinos.

    He seems to say / imply that using his methods has caused him to win over a million at VP; that's quite an accomplishment, if true.

    There's the rub: "if true;" it comes down to credibility.
    Last edited by MisterV; 07-16-2018 at 07:59 AM.
    What, Me Worry?

  20. #20
    Absurdity is just trying his retarded "chasing losses, making sub-optimal" "strategy"! Only stupid people would "try" it.

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