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  1. #1
    Look at this: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-poker-machine

    Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games but rob beats it every day. Yeah, right.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games...
    This. Not a large enough sample size. Add in the fact that it's TDB with its ridiculous variance AND the fact it's Double Super Times Pay, so add in a lot more ridiculous variance! All that and the fact that nobody is playing the game optimally.
    Last edited by jbjb; 07-07-2018 at 09:22 AM.

  3. #3
    Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

    Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

    I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

    Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

    I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.
    I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

    Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

    I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.
    I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.
    Sure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.

    Wise up.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.

    Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.

    I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.
    I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.
    Sure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.

    Wise up.
    I've also made more money than you claim to have made. If you google internet coward you will find your picture.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #7
    If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!
    AND ALAN!

    It is no wonder these two life long losers and degenerate gamblers are so bitter and hateful towards anyone who has made some money from casinos. I mean to the point of denying basic mathematical principals. AND being that these two haters and losers are the top two leading posters on this forum (by volume not usefulness), it is no wonder this forum has evolved into an anti-AP bias.

    And being that these two haters are the leading posters on this site, it is no wonder Dan Druff refuses to do anything about it. Dan talks a good game, but no forum owner wants to see volume decline and discussion cease on his forum. And that is exactly why Dan refuses to do anything about these two anti-AP, haters and even explains why untrue to his word, Dan Druff reversed course and invited Singer back.

  9. #9
    Kew, as long as there are anonymous relevance-seekers and those who only talk a big game like you and mickey, this forum will never see a decline. You guys make the absurd claims; more intelligent people debunk them. Then you huff and puff and whine like a little wussy, and mickey takes a few gulps of cheap booze so he has the courage to tell those who disagree with him how he's gonna murder them.

    Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I honestly thought Rob would chime in accusing the casino of rigging the game.

    As said, these figures are low because of a bunch of factors including poor play, i.e. "special plays."
    How do you know the games were played poorly? You don't have to be a genius to play video poker, or to gamble. It helps to have a memory when counting cards but video poker doesn't require any memory at all because the same 52/53 cards are used in every hand.

  11. #11
    Kewlj stop your whine and rant about me being anti AP. It's old and it's wrong. You are the number one hater on this forum.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.
    Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.
    Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.
    I was wondering who was going to be the first individual to jump all over that comment.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.
    Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.
    I'm not up to speed on that issue, but I do know nobody can ever touch a 401k outside of possibly bankruptcy court and maybe the IRS.

  15. #15
    I have a pension from the SAG-AFTRA pension fund. I get payments for life. Yes the "cash equivalent" is well over two million but you're not allowed to tap into a pension pool. It's not like a 401k. And the best part of a pension is the money never runs out, unlike a 401k which can be exhausted if you live too long.

    I also collect social security and I paid into social security starting with my first radio job when I was 16. That's 50 years of contributions.

  16. #16
    OJ's NFL and acting pension can never be touched, even by the Goldman civil judgment. OJ probably has a SAG pension (Screen Actors Guild).

    The unions merged a couple years ago, but the stronger AFTRA pension remained independent.

    The combined SAG-AFTRA union is 95% SAG members but the wealth is 95% AFTRA members. This is because there are SAG members earning as little as a couple thousand a year.

    Edited to add: Yes OJ has a SAG pension too. Here's an article on his "bullet proof pensions" (what a pun).

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/20/oj...parole-hearing
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 07-07-2018 at 04:19 PM.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    OJ's NFL and acting pension can never be touched, even by the Goldman civil judgment. OJ probably has a SAG pension (Screen Actors Guild).

    The unions merged a couple years ago, but the stronger AFTRA pension remained independent.

    The combined SAG-AFTRA union is 95% SAG members but the wealth is 95% AFTRA members. This is because there are SAG members earning as little as a couple thousand a year.

    Edited to add: Yes OJ has a SAG pension too. Here's an article on his "bullet proof pensions" (what a pun).

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/20/oj...parole-hearing
    Also OJ lives in Florida, and I believe the laws in that state make his home immune to garnishment (or whatever the proper term would be for a residence).

  18. #18
    Alan's pension belongs to his kid and the Craps table's.

  19. #19
    Alan's pension belongs to his kid and the Craps table's. The truth came out regarding his financial situation due to his -EV gambling addictions.

  20. #20
    From $25 VP to .25 VP. Imagine that.

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