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Thread: No need to fast pitch the dice

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    Several casinos have switched to ergonomic friendly craps tables with shorter walls and higher table surfaces. The main reason is so dealers don't have to bend so much.

    Unfortunately dice fly off the tables more often. And if you are short or sitting at the end of a table you can be hit and hurt.

    There is an older couple that frequently play at Red Rock. The wife is in her early 70s (I think) and she told me her husband who has moderate Alzheimers is 87. He plays. He doesn't say anything and she has to remind him how to bet properly.

    Both of them have chairs brought to them at the end of the table where they like to play.

    The other day a fast baller was hurling the dice and twice they flew up and hit the old man in the face and once an eye was hit and he was hurt.

    There is no need to fast pitch dice.

    If you want a random roll just hit the pyramids. Having the dice hit people, chips on the layout, and fly off the table does nothing to help anyone's game.

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    Maybe the casino will start handing out complimentary face shields or goggles. Of course they may have to lessen the quality of their juice even more..
    You already have a helmet so you should be good.😃

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    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Maybe the casino will start handing out complimentary face shields or goggles. Of course they may have to lessen the quality of their juice even more..
    You already have a helmet so you should be good.��
    Really. You are just a troll.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Maybe the casino will start handing out complimentary face shields or goggles. Of course they may have to lessen the quality of their juice even more..
    You already have a helmet so you should be good.
    Really. You are just a troll.
    You are just a Deadbeat Martian who hustles fake juice at Red Rock and tells everyone lies about how you seen 18 Yo's in a row. Fucking Cheap Ass Martian and that is all you are!

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    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    You are just a Deadbeat Martian who hustles fake juice at Red Rock and tells everyone lies about how you seen 18 Yo's in a row. Fucking Cheap Ass Martian and that is all you are!
    I never "seen" anything. I saw. You ignorant boob.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    You are just a Deadbeat Martian who hustles fake juice at Red Rock and tells everyone lies about how you seen 18 Yo's in a row. Fucking Cheap Ass Martian and that is all you are!
    I never "seen" anything. I saw. You ignorant boob.
    Seen/saw, life is but a see-saw full of ups and downs. Some have more downs than others.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 07-23-2018 at 01:49 AM.

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    18 yo's in a row Money Man, Drama Queen, Alan Mendelsohn

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    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    18 yo's in a row Money Man, Drama Queen, Alan Mendelsohn
    Another troll screws up what should have been a legitimate discussion.

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    Alan, just curious: did the boxman tell the shooter to "tone it down a bit" with his throw after the first time it hit the daft octogenarian?
    What, Me Worry?

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Alan, just curious: did the boxman tell the shooter to "tone it down a bit" with his throw after the first time it hit the daft octogenarian?
    Absolutely! And the box man said he would take the dice away if he didn't slow it down. But the damage was done.

    Dealers are also telling these fast ballers to keep their pitches away from the chips on the layout. I understand there aren't many craps players here but you understand what happens when five players are betting on six with various stacks and a die comes hurtling in.

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    Grandpa could have a decent liability claim then against the casino for allowing the dangerous conduct to continue, for not taking the dice from the aggressive shooter.

    Depends how badly the duffer was hurt the second time he got whacked in the face.
    What, Me Worry?

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    This is another reason why shooters are told to keep dice throws below eye level: so dealers can see dice and chips at all times and so that dice don't hit people in the face and eyes.

    As you know new dice are extremely sharp and dangerous and even after the sharpness of the edges are worn away the corners remain.

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    Do you know how long a Las Vegas strip casino will usually preserve routine surveillance recordings of table games?

    I ask because the recording would be "best evidence" in a liability suit, and it would probably behoove a casino NOT to have it available to be used against them.

    I must assume all recordings are now downloded to hard drive / stored in "the cloud" as opposed to being on a media disk / tape as before, so the storage constraints would not be as "real" as they once were.
    What, Me Worry?

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    I don't know the policy at Red Rock but exactly for liability reasons I don't think a casino would keep a recording longer than necessary unless it was to protect itself.

    Caesars did not keep the recording of the 18 yos longer than three days because no one asked them to. I asked for the tape two weeks after it happened.

    I don't know what happened with his eye and what actual damage was done. There were other problems that night. Two drunks came to the table and started to call the woman foul names because she threw a point seven.

    And that was another issue: the box did nothing about the drunks and their abuse.

    Also I have seen drunks push their way next to the stick, be told to move and refuse to, and the box wouldn't call security.

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    If all of this is taking place at Red Rock, I would play Craps somewhere else. I don't see how a person could possibly enjoy playing Craps there. It's not enough to just call the dice, you have to manage the table, as well.

    MisterV,

    Let's say that a patron's first roll were to strike a person thereby causing meaningful physical damage: In this case, the crew would have no opportunity to give the person a warning, so could they sue the individual who threw the dice? Could they sue the individual who threw the dice even if the crew did give the person a warning? Does giving the person a warning arguably satisfy any legal requirements the casino might have?

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    A casino can argue that being at the craps table is like being on a golf course: you run the risk of being hit by a golf ball and you run the risk of being hit by a die.

    But once a warning is given to an obviously reckless shooter I think the casino has tipped the liability scale.

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    I'm interested in MisterV's opinion, but I do tend to agree with yours. There are often only a few golf course workers at any given time, sometimes only the cashier at really cheap courses, so the business itself has very little knowledge that any risk factor is going on. Although, I will say that most golf courses I have been to, as I recall, have something by way of a warning on the backs of the scorecards if not some kind of signage in the clubhouse.

    The casino does not seem to provide any written warning about errant dice that I have ever seen. I think that might also make it a little different.

    I would definitely say the casino absolutely has to take away the dice if a shooter is warned and then does another reckless throw. Of course, they probably want the reckless thrower there. They would probably lose more money chasing away all the reckless throwers than they would losing one personal injury lawsuit.

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    The golf course risk is from case law. When you play golf you do accept the risk.

    I'm not sure that there have ever been lawsuits brought against casinos for dice hits. But if there were they could also establish a precedent or even case law on appeal.

    You also accept the risk of being hit by a ball at a baseball game or having an NBA player fall on you in those million dollar Courtside seats.

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    once a shooter presents himself as a fast roller or a reckless roller, the people on the other end of the table have the ability to shield themselves and be ready for it should it come near their face. They have been put on notice by the shooter...and if the stickman or boxman says something to the shooter....even more notice to the patrons that this shooter is reckless.

    Thats whats wrong with this society where people dont take responsibility for their own well being and look to others to pay for their misfortune that they could have prevented. Its not like the guy is shooting bullets. He is just throwing fucking dice that can be swatted away by a hand held in front of a face, the person could look away behind them when the throw occurs so if they get hit...its to the back of the head. They still have time to turn around and see the dice tumbling to a stop.

    Its up to the patrons to protect their eyes, their face or whatever needs protecting. In my opinion the casino has no liability in this case.

    Just like alan wanting mommy to sell him this site so he can be shielded from the bad bad posters......alan wants some sort of mommy protecting people from getting hit by dice

    all he has to do in this situation is to go to his knees and pretend he is hiding under mommy's dress....and the dice will not hit him in the eye. Thats what a 5 year ld will do to protect himself.

    Otherwise just man up and play the game, and protect yourself

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    Alan,

    I don't know anything about attending an NBA game. I do know, at hockey games, most (if not all) programs I have seen instruct you to remain alert at all times for errant pucks, or some such verbiage. I want to say that is also mentioned in baseball programs, but I'm not sure, I definitely know I've seen it in hockey programs.

    If nothing else, a written warning/notice of some kind would serve, one would think, to take a little of the potential liability off of the casino.

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