The 18 yo's

[Alan Mendelson]

Mission wrote "if I were the stickman, I would announce that I quit my job, take off my nametag, and start betting the Yo."

No AP would ever bet on the yo. No experienced craps player would bet the yo. The yo is one of the crazy crapper bets that even the dice setting schools tell you to avoid making.

But let's imagine you were at the table. Someone just rolled a yo. Do you bet a yo because you saw a yo?

Let's imagine you were at the table and two yos in a row were thrown. Do you bet a yo because you just saw two thrown?

Let's say three have been thrown, do you bet the yo because you think a fourth is coming?

After 8 yos (the record at Red Rock) do you bet a yo because a ninth is coming?

All of you who criticized me and the shooter and the other two players at the table who never bet on the yo are full of shit. NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE BET ON THE YO.

[monet]

I can respond to Deech. Since none of the four players at the table was betting on the 11, or the field, or the horn, there was no cheering. I don't recall a nearby table being open. There were no railbirds. No one was walking up to the table to look.

Next.

Fucking Bullshit!

The Stickman never said a word.
The Dealers never laughed as each Yo kept rolling and none of them said you might want to bet the Yo this time.
The Box Man never said anything!?
You had no change in Stick/Dealers during this 18 fucking Yo roll because it was so lightning quick!
The Box Man never asked to look at the dice during this Bullshit Story of 18 Yos in a row.
Everyone just let all their bets sit as 18 Yos kept rolling because nobody was getting paid during these 18 Fucking Rolls!
The Dealers must of been bored out of their minds!
The Dice never hit the floor!
The place was so dead but no other Floor Men came by as the Yos kept rolling in!

You have no Fucking Clue... everyone on this board if they saw 4 or 5 Yos in a row would of started to bet it just because we think maybe something was off and perhaps the dice were weighted or some other oddity so yes everyone on this board would of bet it eventually. Maybe the number is 6 or 7 in a row but eventually someone is going to realize it might be worth it to get on the Yo.

You are Fucking Lying so just admit it!

[Mission146]

Mission wrote "if I were the stickman, I would announce that I quit my job, take off my nametag, and start betting the Yo."

No AP would ever bet on the yo. No experienced craps player would bet the yo. The yo is one of the crazy crapper bets that even the dice setting schools tell you to avoid making.

But let's imagine you were at the table. Someone just rolled a yo. Do you bet a yo because you saw a yo?

Let's imagine you were at the table and two yos in a row were thrown. Do you bet a yo because you just saw two thrown?

Let's say three have been thrown, do you bet the yo because you think a fourth is coming?

After 8 yos (the record at Red Rock) do you bet a yo because a ninth is coming?

All of you who criticized me and the shooter and the other two players at the table who never bet on the yo are full of shit. NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE BET ON THE YO.

Who the fuck are you talking to? Me!? What?

Listen, I'll defend that it's mathematically possible, but that's as far as I'm going.

Of course an AP would bet the Yo' because AP's are about angles. Do you know one theoretical dice angle?

Slipping in loaded dice.

OK, so once we get up to five or six Yos in a row, I'm going to assume the shooter managed to somehow slip in some loaded dice. The best part of that is that I get all of the benefit and none of the responsibility if he gets caught. I never touched the dice and I don't know the shooter, so I can bet the Yo with impunity.

After five or six more Yo's, I've got max bets out on the Yo and I've got some big Pass LIne and Field Bets going. I'm betting the eleven in every way I can figure out a way to do.

No, I don't bet a Yo because I saw one Yo. I bet a Yo because I just saw fucking five of them in a row and with fair dice, that shouldn't happen! It's terrifically unlikely! Just six of them is about 1 in 34 million and change.

I'm sorry, but I think it's more likely that gaffed dice got slipped in than that occurs naturally, so yes, as an AP, I'm betting it. I get to bet loaded dice and it's NOT MY FAULT, I had nothing to do with loaded dice getting in the game.

No, not two Yos. Two Yos is 1 in 324, not even interesting. Not even mildly curious.

After Eight Yos, I bet a Yo because I think there is something wrong with the dice or gaffed dice have been slipped in somehow.

Yes, I would have bet the Yo after five or six...probably after six. Don't tell me what I would or would not do and I won't tell you what you did or did not see.

[Alan Mendelson]

Monet this was discussed in detail on WOV. Twice the stickman checked the dice.

There was no boxman. That shows how much you know about Caesars.

The floor man wasn't even at our table.

No the dealers didn't laugh.

I know you like to call bullshit on everything I say but not this time buddy.

[Alan Mendelson]

Slipped in loaded dice? With no one betting on the yo? LOL

[Alan Mendelson]

Remember also that a point had already been established. The shooter only cared about his point. That's all I cared about too. As did the other two players who had maybe $100 in the rail among them.

Now you high rollers might like to bet your hunches, I guess.

So tell me, math guys, how often do you make crazy crapper bets?

[Mission146]

I think it’s more likely that loaded or flawed dice are in the game than to see six Yos in a row with perfectly balanced dice. I’d just be playing a probability that I’d think is in my favor.

Anyway, I haven’t made a, “Crazy crapper bet,” yet. I think that’s because I’ve never seen six in a row of the same number, or more, that I recall.

[Robsingerwho]

Forget about 6th or 7th. After ten or 11 anyone at the table with even 10 dollars would be playing it. This is the most absurd story ever

[Alan Mendelson]

Forget about 6th or 7th. After ten or 11 anyone at the table with even 10 dollars would be playing it. This is the most absurd story ever

Yep and it happened.

Now for you armchair quarterbacks and dice experts.

When do you say "that ship has sailed?"

Do you say it after three yos, or four yos, or 17 yos?

When do you say "that horse left the barn"?

Do you say it after six times that the shooter rolled a five? I ask that because the other day a shooter did roll a 5 six times in a row. Eight of us at the table were on the five and either collected or pressed. One player who was only betting 6 and 8 (point was ten) plopped down $10 on the 5 after it hit the sixth time. His base dealer said to him "now? That horse left the barn."

There were no more 5s from that shooter.

Compare your armchair quarterbacking with actual play.

[mickeycrimm]

I MAY BE A FUCKING IDIOT....................but I know enough to keep my mouth shut about a certain poster....or else I will be making out with mickey.

Dude, I'm tired of your homosexual advances towards me. I've told you over and over again I'm hetero. Cease and desist. If you want some more hard tail then you'll have to stick with your old lovers, Mr. Vagina and Coach Petunia. They love the way you suck.

[mickeycrimm]

Forget about 6th or 7th. After ten or 11 anyone at the table with even 10 dollars would be playing it. This is the most absurd story ever

Yep and it happened.

Now for you armchair quarterbacks and dice experts.

When do you say "that ship has sailed?"

Do you say it after three yos, or four yos, or 17 yos?

When do you say "that horse left the barn"?

Do you say it after six times that the shooter rolled a five? I ask that because the other day a shooter did roll a 5 six times in a row. Eight of us at the table were on the five and either collected or pressed. One player who was only betting 6 and 8 (point was ten) plopped down $10 on the 5 after it hit the sixth time. His base dealer said to him "now? That horse left the barn."

There were no more 5s from that shooter.

Compare your armchair quarterbacking with actual play.

Who was the shooter?
Was he not fascinated by how many yo's he was rolling?
Didn't he get excited about setting a record or something?
Wouldn't he be bragging to the world that he rolled 18 yo's in a row?
Didn't the dealers get excited and say it was setting some kind of a record.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;70169]

I MAY BE A FUCKING IDIOT....................but I know enough to keep my mouth shut about a certain poster....or else I will be making out with mickey.

Dude, I'm tired of your homosexual advances towards me. I've told you over and over again I'm hetero. Cease and desist. If you want some more hard tail then you'll have to stick with your old fuck buddies, Mr. Vagina and Coach Petunia. They love the way you suck.

Larietta, Mr. Vagina and Coach Petunia, the "menage a trois" contingent of VCT.

[Alan Mendelson]

Do you know what the record is for yos in a row, mickeycrimm? I don't. Is there a record book?

For all we know there were 25 yos in a row thrown somewhere.

That grandma in Atlantic City has a record. But it was broken at Caesars by a guy in for a computer convention. Only two players at the table. Four and a half hours. Caesars did not put out a press release. You wouldn't know it happened except a pit boss told me about it. It happened mid day when the casino was almost empty.

How about the player who won two million? I wrote about it here. No press release. His table was full but only he pressed like a mad man.

Shit happens that you never hear about.

My favorite: ten players in a row threw point-seven. I don't know if that's a record either but figure the odds.

[Alan Mendelson]

Was the shooter fascinated. Of course he was. The shooter was a young guy with $10 on the pass and maybe $25 in his rail. All he cared about was rolling his point. Same with his buddy. One other player at the end of the table with maybe $40. He had odds on his pass.

Me? I don't bet horn numbers except to protect my pass on the comeout.

There you have it. Four players none of whom cared about the yo.

[AxelWolf]

Was the shooter fascinated. Of course he was. The shooter was a young guy with $10 on the pass and maybe $25 in his rail. All he cared about was rolling his point. Same with his buddy. One other player at the end of the table with maybe $40. He had odds on his pass.

Me? I don't bet horn numbers except to protect my pass on the comeout.

There you have it. Four players none of whom cared about the yo.

Hmm... I would have to go back and look but I thought you originally said there was only you and two other guys at the table.

[MisterV]

That grandma in Atlantic City has a record. But it was broken at Caesars by a guy in for a computer convention. Only two players at the table. Four and a half hours. Caesars did not put out a press release. You wouldn't know it happened except a pit boss told me about it. It happened mid day when the casino was almost empty.

Really?

*googles claim: crickets*

Hmmm, no mention of this by Caesars on their company website wherein there is a blog specifically designed to discuss such things.

see link to Caesars site: https://www.caesars.com/casino-gamin...r#.W2hiI8Ina7Q

alan claims a pit boss told him, so the company would have known AND MENTIONED IT IN THEIR BLOG OR VIA PRESS RELEASE had it actually happened, that is for certain.

Every time you post this shit alan you stick your foot further into your mouth; soon it will be coming out of your ass, which is the source of your bullshit attention-whoring claims.

[monet]

Would you please return to discussing the 18 yos and why I was lying.

This is the proof that Alan is Whoring up Attention.

He couldn't stand it when the thread derailed into another topic.

Oddly enough he said he wasn't happy that this thread was created and later said he was done with the discussion.

[monet]

Final comment, I check the website; "Wizard of Deech". I asked about the issue of repeating elevens to an amazing number. The website stated that the only sequential rolls more illogical than 18 Yo's is eleven 18's.

LOL... Wizard of Deech!

LOL... eleven 18's in a row!!

[Dankyone]

Alan never saw 18 yos in a row. He probably saw 3 or 4 and then made up a number without realizing how insanely improbable it was.

Has he ever been dealt two royal flushes in a row? That would be significantly more likely than seeing 18 yos in a row. 0f course it’s technically possible, but I’m sure it has never happened in the history of casino gambling. Maybe that puts it in language he can understand.

[monet]

Alan never saw 18 yos in a row. He probably saw 3 or 4 and then made up a number without realizing how insanely improbable it was.

Has he ever been dealt two royal flushes in a row? That would be significantly more likely than seeing 18 yos in a row. 0f course it’s technically possible, but I’m sure it has never happened in the history of casino gambling. Maybe that puts it in language he can understand.

Your Royal analogy isn't really fair.
I have seen many people lock the machine up with a Royal and get a Royal on the next hand on single line.
It isn't easy or common but that happens all the time or at least more than you think.
Every time you push the button you have around a 40,000 to 1 shot to make a Royal right?
That changes once the first 5 cards are dealt out but from the jump it is still only 40k to 1?

The longest odds wise event that happened to me and it took about 20 years before it happened.
I was dealt a Left to Right Royal in Spades... 10-A.
This happened to me when the bar at Slots-A-Fun had incorrect meters making the game well over 100%
I hit the Royal for a little over 1500. The problem was I wanted to play the Aces and Eights that night but
they were putting in a new carpet so the machines were shut down. The Sequential Royal was over 43k at that time.
Not that I would of hit it over there it was just a funny thing to laugh at for me.

The odds are something like 76 million to 1 and that is far easier and possible compared to 2.1 Sextillion to 1