Progressive Road Map

[Alan Mendelson]

But I will say this: there's no difference between Rob playing at a higher denomination to make up for previous losses and what any other gambler does when they increase their bets in an attempt to make a comeback. And, it's not a Martingale.

That’s because there’s no difference between Rob and the average gambler, and the average gambler is not an AP or even close to being an AP, so there you go.

It’s not a classic Martingale, but it’s certainly a system, though it may not have a strict formula.

Did you know that average gamblers can also be winners? I know that will come as a shock to you and the other APs but it's true.

[Mission146]

Did you know that average gamblers can also be winners? I know that will come as a shock to you and the other APs but it's true.

I have a pretty good handle on math, so I can actually say with each, "Average gambler," playing a limited sample of games that some average gamblers almost MUST be winners if there is a large enough sample of average gamblers.

I don't dispute Singer's reported earnings, how the hell could I? I've never even met the guy and I also don't know what specifics he has reported.

[tableplay]

How can you talk to this guy?

What can I say -- you're right. Out of intellectual curiosity, I was wondering what he would do when presented with what is pretty much a tautology (a principle is principle no matter who applies it).

[Rob.Singer]

But it doesn't lie for the casinos either, who 100 per cent KNOW they're going to win over time. You don't.

Ok, so a casino knows they're going to win because they offer up games where they have the edge in aggregate. But, if a player applies the same principle of only playing when they have an edge, they don't know they're going to win. In other words, applying the principle of playing with an edge has nothing to do with anything - it is who applies the principle that determines the long-term results.

How can you talk to this guy? This guy thinks he can martingale VP and Hit and Run and win Millions.
I heard or read his strategy that says I walked into the Casino and won my daily win goal in 10 minutes and left.
He thinks that is all their is to it. Win Goal every session and you can't lose. If you have some crazy day where you lose
half your daily bankroll you go back to square 1 or some goofy shit like that. Maybe it was you have to go to the 25 dollar game if your down that much.
I can't remember but I'd rather talk to the guy who saw 18 Yos in a row. He makes some sense compared to this guy who makes no sense.
I am all for discussions but I find it hard to talk to this guy since I know you can not rationalize with him.

By the way I don't mind you talking to him I just get surprised when people try to rationalize with him.
You know he isn't ever going to change his mind on any topic or see things in a different light.
How hasn't anyone who was taught the millionaire strategy by Singer ever wrote their own book or
leaked out what it is all about. I mean you can't keep that under wraps in this modern society if it is a real thing that is.

Many of us on this site are in the Casinos every day. Surely someone would of ran into one of the Singer Students?
At the very least many of us would of heard the stories or legends.

Your issue with what and how I do what I do stems from the same ignorance every ap-critic finds themselves doing: you have very little knowledge of the strategy, yet you single out the best point that you can create the most self-assuring argument over. If you were an employee of mine you'd have been fired the first week for making such a false, unverified, unknowledgeable assumption based on what you believe others like you long to hear--and then running with it.

The increase in denomination isn't the only "progression". Game volatility also increases. And there are as many reductions in denominations as there are increases as you work your way thru the structure. This is a main part of the strategy, and is the #1 aspect every critic chooses to sweep under the rug as they clamor to manufacture false misrepresentations about SPS.

I haven't made "millions" doing this as you assert. I made just under $1million, with the other $500k or so being a result of my other two strategies. And the pay back percentage of a machine has very little to do with my results. Yes I may have another $150k in profits maybe had there been only 100 per cent or greater games available thru the $100 machines, but there isn't and wasn't. And since I NEVER add in any of the slot club fluff that the ap's rely on so as to be able to create yet another winning year out of a loser, my results are pure.

Mickey, please refrain from hijacking yet another thread by trying to make this about you. Nobody cares about how many years an anonymous poster claims to have done anything.

[MaxPen]

Your issue with what and how I do what I do stems from the same ignorance every ap-critic finds themselves doing: you have very little knowledge of the strategy, yet you single out the best point that you can create the most self-assuring argument over. If you were an employee of mine you'd have been fired the first week for making such a false, unverified, unknowledgeable assumption based on what you believe others like you long to hear--and then running with it.

The increase in denomination isn't the only "progression". Game volatility also increases. And there are as many reductions in denominations as there are increases as you work your way thru the structure. This is a main part of the strategy, and is the #1 aspect every critic chooses to sweep under the rug as they clamor to manufacture false misrepresentations about SPS.

I haven't made "millions" doing this as you assert. I made just under $1million, with the other $500k or so being a result of my other two strategies. And the pay back percentage of a machine has very little to do with my results. Yes I may have another $150k in profits maybe had there been only 100 per cent or greater games available thru the $100 machines, but there isn't and wasn't. And since I NEVER add in any of the slot club fluff that the ap's rely on so as to be able to create yet another winning year out of a loser, my results are pure.

Mickey, please refrain from hijacking yet another thread by trying to make this about you. Nobody cares about how many years an anonymous poster claims to have done anything.

[ddb1]

While progressives are the subject...



I calculate the game at 99.6% without the meters. The meter runs at 1% with 2cents towards the royal, 1c towards the AWAK, and two cents towards the other 3 meters. Slot club is worth a little something.

Is there an overlay? The meter has to figure in somehow, but not the full 1%. Afterall, you won't take down all 5 meters in 5 consecutive hands - you will always leave some behind. Then, how much of the meter? .25 or .50%?

Edit to add the game is 9/5 DDB.

[monet]

You ever play 9/5 DDB? Get ready to jump off the cliff. Just as a rule of thumb you want Double Royal. You can start earlier but you want Double Royal minimum.

You are better off playing the 4 way Royal at Boulder Station when you get a 32k average and above on 7/5 Bonus Poker. That two pair game makes things smoother.

[monet]

How can you talk to this guy?

What can I say -- you're right. Out of intellectual curiosity, I was wondering what he would do when presented with what is pretty much a tautology (a principle is principle no matter who applies it).

What can I say -- I was wrong! It appears that talking to Alan Mendleson is exactly the same as talking to Rob Singer.

[Alan Mendelson]

The 25-cents video poker progressive games at Red Rock were back to around $2900 early this morning and that's where I used today's $50 of free play.

[quahaug]

The 25-cents video poker progressive games at Red Rock were back to around $2900 early this morning and that's where I used today's $50 of free play.

Lucky you didn't get a full house.

[mickeycrimm]

While progressives are the subject...



I calculate the game at 99.6% without the meters. The meter runs at 1% with 2cents towards the royal, 1c towards the AWAK, and two cents towards the other 3 meters. Slot club is worth a little something.

Is there an overlay? The meter has to figure in somehow, but not the full 1%. Afterall, you won't take down all 5 meters in 5 consecutive hands - you will always leave some behind. Then, how much of the meter? .25 or .50%?

Edit to add the game is 9/5 DDB.

Win poker puts those numbers at 100.76%. You have to reevaluate the numbers every time you hit a meter.

You have some equity in the meter movement but only a fraction. One of the problems you will encounter is more people playing the higher the royal gets. That cuts into your meter earn because as more people play the odds get longer that you will be the one to hit the high royal number.

[monet]

The 25-cents video poker progressive games at Red Rock were back to around $2900 early this morning and that's where I used today's $50 of free play.

Lucky you didn't get a full house.

Strange, I always thought when you are playing a cut game you want to make a ton more of whatever is cut to help compensate.

Although I get your joke

[tableplay]

The 25-cents video poker progressive games at Red Rock were back to around $2900 early this morning and that's where I used today's $50 of free play.

Alan, why didn't you hold just the King at at the 1:33 mark ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=93") ?
At the 2:56 mark you then go on to not hold the pair of 8s and instead hold the open straight ? ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=176")
Wow at 3:16 you fucking hold a high card instead of a pair of 7s ?! ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=196")

Maybe you are deliberately making mistakes as some sort of troll move.

[monet]

Alan, why didn't you hold just the King at at the 1:33 mark ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=93") ?
At the 2:56 mark you then go on to not hold the pair of 8s and instead hold the open straight ? ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=176")
Wow at 3:16 you fucking hold a high card instead of a pair of 7s ?! ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=196")

Maybe you are deliberately making mistakes as some sort of troll move.

I don't see a problem with the KT suited at that size of the Royal.

However the other plays are clearly to mess with this forum.

[Alan Mendelson]

At 1:33 didn't I hold KhTh? You wanted me just to hold the king and give up a shot at a $2900 royal?

Yes I gave up the pair of 7s to hold a single high card. At 6/5 vs a $2900 royal I didn't care about a pair of 7s.
Would I do that normally? No.

The open ended straight vs 88 was a toss up for me. On a 6/5 game did I really care seeing a pair of 8s? No. I was hoping for royal cards.

At the time I was the only player. There are only five seats.

[tableplay]

Alan, why didn't you hold just the King at at the 1:33 mark ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=93") ?
At the 2:56 mark you then go on to not hold the pair of 8s and instead hold the open straight ? ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=176")
Wow at 3:16 you fucking hold a high card instead of a pair of 7s ?! ("https://youtu.be/O1Qlqxml5ng?t=196")

Maybe you are deliberately making mistakes as some sort of troll move.

I don't see a problem with the KT suited at that size of the Royal.

However the other plays are clearly to mess with this forum.

You and Alan are right about the KT suited play -it's not 4000 coins (only holding the King is right for 4000 coins due to the 6H penalty card) for the NRF it's closer to 12000 coins on the progressive;I was a bonehead and forgot about the progressive NRF.

[Prozema]

M - thanks for the tip on the Vue bar. I'm enjoying my time there.

[AxelWolf]

He's willing to give up 77 (2 times) for a high card. Why? Because he wants to hit the royal or some shit? If thats the case, why bother to hold two non suited high cards? In one of his other videos he holds the a pair over an open ended and in this one he hold the open ended. The truth is, he just has no clue what the hell he is doing.

His videos are very educational... HOW NOT TO PLAY VP.

[mickeycrimm]

Did you know that average gamblers can also be winners?.

And in other news the sun came up this morning.

[monet]

M - thanks for the tip on the Vue bar. I'm enjoying my time there.

It can get loud up there. If I play up there and it has been over a year now but if I do, it is usually is at 2 or 3 am and I am asking them to turn the music down as the sweepers mop around me. Actually I have many more little spots like that to post but been lazy. Last week I took some pictures of progressives and was going to post them the day before a good point day but I just got lazy. One of these days I will get around to it and map this out better.