Chip inventory question

[Alan Mendelson]

Dear God. For once a constructive, interesting question was asked and KJ explained the answer in detail. He just needs a few chips to start playing. If he starts winning, great. If he starts by losing, and the count is negative, he will leave the table. If it’s positive, he will buy in for cash, ostensibly steaming, and bet much bigger. Makes perfect sense to anyone who cares to understand.

But here we are, back to the same old same old.

+1

So the count was positive and he still lost $8800? I find that to be alarming for a card counter to do. Even if it was his best day for accumulating +EV he lost the $8800. Is that something that earns a title at a card counters convention?

In the real world it makes no sense. Perhaps in the AP world it does. But trust me when I say the world operates on "real world rules" and not on "AP rules" like you forum experts think it does.

Some of your AP claims have gone off the deep end. I remember when mickeycrimm was hunting for those ready to hit progressives on low denomination machines in Montana bars. Now he's earning $68k net profit by mid August.

Allow me to be skeptical. I had a very successful news career being skeptical. As we say in the consumer protection business "when something sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true."

[Rob.Singer]

Dear God. For once a constructive, interesting question was asked and KJ explained the answer in detail. He just needs a few chips to start playing. If he starts winning, great. If he starts by losing, and the count is negative, he will leave the table. If it’s positive, he will buy in for cash, ostensibly steaming, and bet much bigger. Makes perfect sense to anyone who cares to understand.

But here we are, back to the same old same old.

Dankyone, you are confusing the anti-AP crowd with the facts.

Except for the one main FACT that the "ap's" want to duck: A Player Who Starts Betting "Much Bigger" When The Count Gets Positive Will Get Thrown Out And His/Her Picture And Details Will Instantly Be Shared With Every Casino In The State.

Wise up, BBB.

And I assume something that also "makes perfect sense" is that if he loses and leaves the table because of a negative count, he'll grab a seat at the second table he was simultaneously counting, unless, of course, his count was negative there too. That's where the story begins to cause kew to have something called a "dilemma".

A total BS story at it's finest....and one only a sensitive liberal from the weirdos at WoV could be talked into being real.

[Keystone]

Dear God. For once a constructive, interesting question was asked and KJ explained the answer in detail. He just needs a few chips to start playing. If he starts winning, great. If he starts by losing, and the count is negative, he will leave the table. If it’s positive, he will buy in for cash, ostensibly steaming, and bet much bigger. Makes perfect sense to anyone who cares to understand.

But here we are, back to the same old same old.

+1

So the count was positive and he still lost $8800? I find that to be alarming for a card counter to do. Even if it was his best day for accumulating +EV he lost the $8800. Is that something that earns a title at a card counters convention?

In the real world it makes no sense. Perhaps in the AP world it does. But trust me when I say the world operates on "real world rules" and not on "AP rules" like you forum experts think it does.

Some of your AP claims have gone off the deep end. I remember when mickeycrimm was hunting for those ready to hit progressives on low denomination machines in Montana bars. Now he's earning $68k net profit by mid August.

Allow me to be skeptical. I had a very successful news career being skeptical. As we say in the consumer protection business "when something sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true."

And as we say in the real life business, " when you stiff your own son, you`re a deadbeat asswipe"

[Alan Mendelson]

Keystone for once, just once, address the issue without a personal attack. Since you got here you only have made personal attacks. I'm not moved.

[coach belly]

I have no fucking clue how I pay my house bills, internet, food, phone, satellite service, etc

We don't know either.

jbjb has no bills...he lives in his mother's basement.

He didn't even know how freeplay worked 2 years ago, how could he have been an AP?

jbjb is a fraud...and I can prove it.

[Moses]

Moses, don't be fooled by Alan. He hates all AP's because he can't stand winning gamblers. That includes you. .

Thanks MC. But I don't gamble.

I'm from the "what you see, is what you get" school. Along time ago a pit boss 86ed me from across the pit. I had it coming. I was really taking advantage of a dealer who didn't know any better and the pit boss was in a very busy state during the NCAA tourney. I went back a few hours later and ask him how his picks were doing. I figured if he doesn't take a swing at me then we're okay. He accepted my apology, but was never going to let me play again. He's an old school guy. But he told me the worst thing I can do is insult the EITS. Assuming you're doing something they haven't seen before is the quickest way to get escorted to the little green 4 letter signs.

So I don't subscribe to that "hairy high school, now you see it, now you don't" mentality. The particular bit bos has moved onward an upward in his profession. He knows, I can drop the hammer. But I haven't since and won't. But the question will forever remain in his mind. Will he?

[Moses]

So the count was positive and he still lost $8800? I find that to be alarming for a card counter to do. Even if it was his best day for accumulating +EV he lost the $8800. Is that something that earns a title at a card counters convention?

In the real world it makes no sense. Perhaps in the AP world it does. But trust me when I say the world operates on "real world rules" and not on "AP rules" like you forum experts think it does.

Allow me to be skeptical. I had a very successful news career being skeptical. As we say in the consumer protection business "when something sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true."

Alan. Alan. Alan. Sorry, I just like writing that. Blackjack and Sports bets are about finding value. Nothing more nothing less. Now, in the "real world" as you say, there are all sorts of pitfalls. Stocks, real estate, and even marriage are very costly if you don't seek and find value.
Now in losing $8,800 in a night? Definately something missing in that value approach. More likely, "the cheese temporarily slid completely off his cracker."

[Alan Mendelson]

I have no fucking clue how I pay my house bills, internet, food, phone, satellite service, etc

We don't know either.

jbjb has no bills...he lives in his mother's basement.

He didn't even know how freeplay worked 2 years ago, how could he have been an AP?

jbjb is a fraud...and I can prove it.

Fairness goes both ways. What's your proof that he's a fraud? If you don't have it you should apologize for a below the belt punch.

[Alan Mendelson]

Moses I agree with you. There are definite advantages in card counting and sports betting. But like you when a card counter starts talking about accumulating EV when losing $8800 and refuses the concept of loss limits, I gotta wonder.

[Ozzy]

Jbjb ( Ibeatyouraces) maybe a lot of things, but you can be assured he makes his living via AP.

[coach belly]

Fairness goes both ways. What's your proof that he's a fraud?

He didn't know how freeplay works...that's my proof that he's not an AP.

I'll prove that he lives in his mommy's basement when he agrees to face me,
I'll convince him to admit it then.

Anybody who wants to witness his confession can be there.

[coach belly]

Jbjb ( Ibeatyouraces) maybe a lot of things, but you can be assured he makes his living via AP.

Fuck you Ozzy, you sissy cheerleader.

You've been claiming to stalk IBYA from behind trashcans for years, like a fucking coward,
but jbjb has always denied that he is IBYA.

So shut the fuck up until jbjb confirms your suspicions.

[kewlJ]

He didn't know how freeplay works...that's my proof that he's not an AP.

This is the stupidest thing you have ever posted.

AP, advantage player is a broad term. It encompasses numerous more specific activities of different ways of playing different games with an advantage. Jbjb not knowing how free play works proves he may not know all that much about machine type advantage play. But, I don't remember him ever claiming to. What is very clear by his posts, is that he is very knowledgeable in blackjack advantage play, just as he claims. It always comes back to that "it just doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Jbjb clearly knows what he is talking about concerning blackjack and blackjack AP.

But that is only the case for those objectively reading. For those trolling, entering the discussion looking to prove a predetermined negative....to find some sort of "gotch ya moment", well they see what they want to see. They look at the blue sky and see green. They look at the green grass and see orange.

So yeah, Jbjb may not know all that much about machine AP. He is a blackjack AP. I also didn't know a damn thing about machine AP....still don't know much. Like jbjb, I am a blackjack AP, focused on blackjack. I only learned a bit about machine play, because when I moved to Vegas, one of the guys that I network with convinced me, that I should throw a bit of machine play at certain casinos, because they would reward me with mailer free play worth far more than the expected loss to earn those offers. His exact words were " not taking advantage of this is leaving money on the table". So I experimented a little and learned just a bit. But otherwise there would be no reason for a blackjack specific AP like me (or jbjb) to know about free play and how it works.

You stating that jbjb is not the blackjack AP that he claims and quite frankly has proven beyond a reasonable doubt, because he didn't know how free play works is akin to claiming that Serena Williams is not a professional athlete, because she doesn't understand what a blitzing linebacker does.

[kewlJ]

Dear God. For once a constructive, interesting question was asked and KJ explained the answer in detail. He just needs a few chips to start playing. If he starts winning, great. If he starts by losing, and the count is negative, he will leave the table. If it’s positive, he will buy in for cash, ostensibly steaming, and bet much bigger. Makes perfect sense to anyone who cares to understand.

But here we are, back to the same old same old.

Thank you for this post and kind words, Dankyone. It is comforting to know that my post was clear to anyone who wants to see, and only those determined not to see and understand, don't see it.


And sadly, your final line, and observation, proves once again, this forum can't be changed into something constructive, useful and beneficial to others. It is what it is....a troll site. And that's what it always comes back to.

[coach belly]

Jbjb not knowing how free play works proves he may not know all that much about machine type advantage play.

You stating that jbjb is not the blackjack AP that he claims and quite frankly has proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

What the fuck are you doing back here you lying piece of shit phony?

jbjb hasn't proven anything about playing blackjack, and he's always talked about vulturing machines.

So get the fuck out of here you tewl, you and your own stupid uninformed posts, and go back to your self-imposed exile, because my post did not reference you or anything that you know anything about.

[jbjb]

I don't need to prove anything about blackjack. Any of you could easily do what I do. Just go out and find the opportunities.

[Alan Mendelson]

Fairness goes both ways. What's your proof that he's a fraud?

He didn't know how freeplay works...that's my proof that he's not an AP.

I'll prove that he lives in his mommy's basement when he agrees to face me,
I'll convince him to admit it then.

Anybody who wants to witness his confession can be there.

It's true that he didn't know how free play worked. And Ozzy might be correct that jbjb earns his living from AP. But what is missing is what kind of living is it?

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't need to prove anything about blackjack. Any of you could easily do what I do. Just go out and find the opportunities.

You sent me a video of your opportunity. It's real. But it's also too rare. Even if the dealer exposed cards the way your video showed it is not something that could be consistent unlike card counting in blackjack. And since seeing the cards comes AFTER you place your initial bet the reality is you're only hoping that the dealer will make the same error so you can increase the bet in the hand you're playing at that moment. In other words you're gambling that the dealer will keep making the same error. Is that really an advantage play?

[mickeycrimm]

Some of your AP claims have gone off the deep end. I remember when mickeycrimm was hunting for those ready to hit progressives on low denomination machines in Montana bars. Now he's earning $68k net profit by mid August. Allow me to be skeptical. I had a very successful news career being skeptical. As we say in the consumer protection business "when something sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true."

Be skeptical all you want. But also pay attention. I started that road pic thread a year ago. There must be pics of a hundred casinos by now, and I know there are about 20 states involved. Hard to be in all those spots and be in Montana too. I'm not spending much time there these days although I'm still paying rent on an apartment.

I spent June in Montana then took off out of state again. There's a reason for it. I can always count on making 50K a year back home. But right now it's worth twice as much out of state. You see, Alan, there has been a recent development in AP machine play. A new generation of exploitable video games has hit the casinos nationwide. They started coming out in 2016 and there are still new exploitable games coming out every month. It's a renaissance similar to the golden age of machine AP, late nineties to early 2000's. These games are in 90% of the casinos in this country. Everywhere I go there they are. And it's easier than shit. Just mosey around the casino and pick off money.

And I guarantee you this, Alan. They are in the casinos you frequent is Las Vegas. You walk by them every time you are in a casino and don't know it. But since you and some others here don't give a rats ass about machine AP I won't bore you with the names of those games.

[mickeycrimm]

I don't need to prove anything about blackjack. Any of you could easily do what I do. Just go out and find the opportunities.

You sent me a video of your opportunity. It's real. But it's also too rare. Even if the dealer exposed cards the way your video showed it is not something that could be consistent unlike card counting in blackjack. And since seeing the cards comes AFTER you place your initial bet the reality is you're only hoping that the dealer will make the same error so you can increase the bet in the hand you're playing at that moment. In other words you're gambling that the dealer will keep making the same error. Is that really an advantage play?

Knowing the dealers hole card is huge Alan.