Interview with an AP

[Alan Mendelson]

Monet still hasn't answered my questions about the mailers from the Station Casinos... and he doesn't have to because I know the answers.

It takes two months of very heavy play before the mailers start and if you don't continue the heavy play they will disappear in two months.

I'm not sure that makes the mailers an advantage play.

But if other players are giving him access to their free play then yes it's a deal for him.

But you APs for the most part really underestimate the true cost of getting free play.

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm back off. If I recall all your bets must be played out in Montana. That to me equals all of Rob's conditions combined. LOL

[kewlJ]

Monet still hasn't answered my questions about the mailers from the Station Casinos... and he doesn't have to because I know the answers.

It takes two months of very heavy play before the mailers start and if you don't continue the heavy play they will disappear in two months.

I will let monet answer whatever your question is for him, but at the level I play, both your two month comments are incorrect, based on my offers.

First of all, you can get 6 different monthly mailers from stations. There is a mailer for machine play at the Station properties, the properties that have "station" in the name + Red Rock and GVR. There is a second mailer for machine play at Fiesta. A third mailer for machine play at Barleys, Wildfires and Wild West. A fourth mailer for machine play at Palms. Then there are two more mailers with separate table game offers (free bets and matchplays) one from any stations and Fiesta combined and a second from Palms.

Concerning the machine play it takes 1 big play (coin-in) to start the cycle....at least at my level. Then the cycle continues for 3-4 months, with the offers reduced some each month until it gets to the point that I stop for a month and then start the cycle all over again.

With Table play, again one big play will get the offers started (usually a two month delay). BUT I will continue to get the same free bet/match play level weekly, for at least 3 months, even if I give no more rated play, other than a few hands of playing the free bet/match play. It doesn't reduce each month like free play does.

Now my level of play (coin-in and the offers I receive) is lower than that of monet, so maybe his answer will differ.

I suspect you only get one mailer from Stations, because you only ever mention Red Rock. For what it is worth, I believe the same level of play at the two premier station properties, Red Rock and GVR, actually generated lower mail offers than does the same level of play at places like Sunset, Boulder, Texas ect. But that is just based on feeling. I haven't really tested that theory.

[MaxPen]

Monet still hasn't answered my questions about the mailers from the Station Casinos... and he doesn't have to because I know the answers.

It takes two months of very heavy play before the mailers start and if you don't continue the heavy play they will disappear in two months.

I'm not sure that makes the mailers an advantage play.

But if other players are giving him access to their free play then yes it's a deal for him.

But you APs for the most part really underestimate the true cost of getting free play.

Quit acting stupid. Oh wait, it's not an act. Anyone who knows anything can see right thru yet another feeble attempt to glean a nugget. You and Rob need to give it a break. Maybe create another sock puppet and go from there in your pursuits because you two have burned any bridge that you might have been able to cross. Let's go with your new name, MendleMartian..

[monet]

You have continuously tried to goad AP's into divulging their exact methodologies. You are an abhorrent individual. Monet has already proved enough. If you had the brain housing capacity to understand, you would not have to continue to live in your camper, on the move from bill collectors, and mooching internet along the way. You and many others are destined to never fully comprehend. You and many others on this site are the proverbial horses that die of thirst even after having been led to water. Alan is the leader and you are his minion.

I know that Maxpen didn't like when I talked about the Westgate before. I am sure he really doesn't like it when I talk about plays or casinos in general. Many others on these boards share his sentiment. One of the big differences with me is that I talk about plays as they are happening. I am not like Eddie Teams or others telling stories and writing books years after the fact. I keep my information current and I try not to talk about what was viable 10 or 20 years ago. I also never ask for anything upfront or in return. I am not selling anything... My information is Free and You can do what you like with it. I am not asking for Subscription Fees either. You aren't going to hear the stories about how I was at Circus Circus sweeping up Flush Attack all the time. I might mention a few things that I did like reaching in the machine and deflecting coins but I rather talk about what is going on today and what you can get away with or how you can make some money TODAY... not yesteryear. I think my Progressive Road Map Thread shows that. I even put up 3 Reel Progressives that were in High State for anyone that wanted to mess with it. As I have always said. If you don't believe my information you can just bypass it. I am not forcing anyone to use it. I am not forcing anyone to do things in a shady way or not. I always give the players a choice if they want to push it and be shady or if they want to play it straight up. Both methods will earn you an hourly and free food and some other things.

I certainly do not keep mailers from years past. I could have some buried somewhere but I am not going to have mailers from 2016 and 2017 stacked up just laying around or in some file cabinet. I talked about the mailers while they were going on and posted about them. I don't think some of you realize how much mail I get per month in my mailbox and how much is given to me from other people. We are talking a very large, heavy stack of monthly mail. The last time I posted a small list and example of my mailers they told me I have to be losing a bunch to get that type of mail. I agree... you usually want to show losses in general to get mailers and to keep them coming. I explained in great detail how a player should go about showing losses. I have talked about how to do it on Loss Rebates as well. Every time I post this information I get the PMs or the Posts asking me why am I talking about this? Do not talk about these kind of things. I always ignore them. I will talk about what I want, how I want, when I want. I firmly believe that nobody uses the information I post about and if they do I am happy to help them make a few extra dollars or teach someone something they didn't understand. I talked about a progressive at the Palms before and if you would Flop 4 aces you could drop one ace and call the slot crew over. You had to know that this was viable to take this chance. The point is let us say the Aces were at 900 dollars. They would pay you in cash and reset the machine but they wouldn't reset the progressive. This worked for years but eventually they got hip and started to reset the progressive. WoV scolded me about making such a move or taking a shot. Others said they never thought of such things or that you could get away with it. My point was to give individuals different ways to think of how to get advantages. Ethical or Not was not the point. I also talked about how to go about different ways of Loss Rebates and was privately scolded. I make it a point to alienate myself anyway.

The mailers at the Westgate/Hilton were good for many years. Before the selling or buyout I would run into periods where they were giving up 400 per week in Free Play for a few months just to get you in the door and I didn't show much play. In years past they used to have some of the best games and mail. They got crushed and thwarted many professionals. I sorta fell into the mail in 2016. I went there because I hadn't been inside for a long time. I looked around and found the 8/5 Bar Progressive over 6k. I played away. I never hit that Royal but I put plenty of play between a few cards. The mail came back at 900 for the month. So I went back and started to mess about. I tired some tricks and the mail moved up to 1300. I figured that was the max. I played harder and found a decent Jokers Game. I played very hard and my mail would fluctuate but for the most part I was getting 2700 total on the mailers. This would be 600 in Free Play a week and 150 X 2 in Comp.

This Eddie Teams doesn't even talk about all the scratch cards they were running which gave you some more payback for your coin in. For a few months towards the end they were giving away a bunch. I would get Free Play but I would get a ton of Comp Coupons. I had stacks of them and they could be combined. I gave many of them away to people eating at the tables. As usual nobody gave me a dime for the generosity and many of them stiffed the server lol. I never met Maxpen in person but I think he knows who Mr Z is and if he does he can confirm the story of his Spin Ferno Tournament win and that he owed 16k out to another player for loaned out money. If I am wrong about that I have my information confused.

It doesn't matter I am getting bored typing now. As I have said before... I don't even live in Vegas. I just make this stuff up as I go along. Don't ask me how I get into such great detail or how I tell you what is currently going on at this very minute... I am just very good at lying. When they ask me what my name is I always answer...

My Name is Nobody

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj if you're getting match play your play isn't big at all. The maximum free table bet is $75. Just for kicks, how many thousands of dollars do you think you need to play to get a $75 free bet? This is the info you APs won't provide. But I know the answer.

[monet]

Kewlj if you're getting match play your play isn't big at all. The maximum free table bet is $75. Just for kicks, how many thousands of dollars do you think you need to play to get a $75 free bet? This is the info you APs won't provide. But I know the answer.

You are misinforming the public. Some Players on these Boards tell the exact amount of coin in you need to max out or get other amounts of monthly Free Play. Some of us actually tell you what games to play, where they are located, how to go about moving around to draw less heat, How to let it fall off so you can start it back up again, tell you where some glitches are, inform the whole board where certain progressives are that are full pay and other topics as well including the exact name of the Casino. Stop your filthy lies and spend some time with your family before it is too late. I just spent a couple days up at Mt. Charleston which is a nice escape from the Summer Heat.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm back off. If I recall all your bets must be played out in Montana. That to me equals all of Rob's conditions combined. LOL

Rob Singer: I"ll bet anybody 600k my system will win 8 out of 10 times. C'mon. Put up or shut up.
Steve Fezzik: Let's do it.
Rob: Uh, bu, bu, but. I got conditions.
Fezzik: What are the conditions?
Rob lists his conditions
Fezzik: lets do it.
Rob: Bu, Bu, Bu, but, but I got more conditions.
Rob lists more conditions.
Fezzik: Agreed. Lets do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but. I'm changing some conditions.
Rob changes some conditions.
Fezzek: No problem. Let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, bu, bu, but, but, another condition, money placed in escrow.
Fezzik: No problem, let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but, but, oh, oh, okay one more condition. If anyone on your radio show denigrates my system before the challenge happens you forfeit the bet.
Fezzik: I cant agree to that. I don't have any real control over what my guests say. Besides, it would be to easy for you to fix. You could pay one of my guests to do it. Only a fool would agree to such a condition.
Rob: Yeah, thats it! That's the ticket! You forfeit if they badmouth it. That condition is non-negotiable. Take it or leave it.
Fezzik: Then we don't have a bet until you change that condition. Let me know when you do.

Rob goes on the forums: That coward Fezzik wouldn' take the bet. He's chicken. I won. Don't mess with me. I'm the best video poker player ever. Don't ever mess with me.

Rob never changed that condition.

[monet]

Mickeycrimm back off. If I recall all your bets must be played out in Montana. That to me equals all of Rob's conditions combined. LOL

Rob Singer: I"ll bet anybody 600k my system will win 8 out of 10 times. C'mon. Put up or shut up.
Steve Fezzik: Let's do it.
Rob: Uh, bu, bu, but. I got conditions.
Fezzik: What are the conditions?
Rob lists his conditions
Fezzik: lets do it.
Rob: Bu, Bu, Bu, but, but I got more conditions.
Rob lists more conditions.
Fezzik: Agreed. Lets do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but. I'm changing some conditions.
Rob changes some conditions.
Fezzek: No problem. Let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, bu, bu, but, but, another condition, money placed in escrow.
Fezzik: No problem, let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but, but, oh, oh, okay one more condition. If anyone on your radio show denigrates my system before the challenge happens you forfeit the bet.
Fezzik: I cant agree to that. I don't have any real control over what my guests say. Besides, it would be to easy for you to fix. You could pay one of my guests to do it. Only a fool would agree to such a condition.
Rob: Yeah, thats it! That's the ticket! You forfeit if they badmouth it. That condition is non-negotiable. Take it or leave it.
Fezzik: Then we don't have a bet until you change that condition. Let me know when you do.

Rob goes on the forums: That coward Fezzik wouldn' take the bet. He's chicken. I won. Don't mess with me. I'm the best video poker player ever. Don't ever mess with me.

LOL... Thanks for the story. I am not very smart but even I know not to get involved with anything Singer related.
The most I could handle was some of those Youtube Videos of him and Mendlebread. It was funny for a few minutes.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj if you're getting match play your play isn't big at all. The maximum free table bet is $75. Just for kicks, how many thousands of dollars do you think you need to play to get a $75 free bet? This is the info you APs won't provide. But I know the answer.

Alan, you are forgetting something.....unlike you and your table games craps play, my table game play (blackjack) is already +EV!

When I play machines, I am playing slightly -EV. It IS the mailer free play offers that make the whole exercise +EV for me, so I need to figure out just how much coin in generates what and be sure it is worthwhile (+EV)….and it is. BUT, when I play tables, play blackjack I am already playing +EV. All I have to do is play a couple sessions rated (instead of my usual unrated play) and I generate free bets and match plays, mostly free bets (Palms alternates free bets and MP's). So that EV from table free bets and MP's are extra EV added on to my already +EV blackjack play.

[coach belly]

I play my strategy with a $57,200 bankroll each session, I guarantee I'll win at least 8 out Of 10 sessions (defined as at least $2500 minimum net profit each session) and I'll do it for a bet of $25,000 plus the total amount I either win or lose.

Why hasn't anyone taken you up on this?

Didn't acrid's simulations mathematically prove that what you guarantee above
will not happen?

What's holding your detractors back from taking an easy $25K + from you?

I would think at least 6 of them would step up and accept your challenge.

Can you explain why they have not?

[redietz]

I can explain why they have not, and will do so explicitly to prevent anyone out there from taking the bait.

Arcimede$ simulations, using variations of what he knew about Argentino's/Singer's systems, actually demonstrated that the session win rate would be somewhere around 80% or above, depending on the variation of system used. In fact, the session win rate appeared to be above 80%, despite the systems losing overall. Therefore, taking Argentino/Singer up on this wager would be a sucker bet, with Argentino/Singer likely about a 6/5 favorite.

In addition, there is no printed catalogue of Argentino/Singer's systems laid out precisely. The person making the bet versus Argentino/Singer is therefore unlikely to be in possession of a detailed, full scale printout of all system(s) variations before the wager begins. That would then allow Argentino/Singer to modify tactics, denomination switches, and "end-of-session" announcements to further the goal of winning 8 out of 10 sessions.

Therefore, taking this bet would be really, really stupid, which is why nobody who knows anything about martingales is likely to accept it.

[coach belly]

Argentino/Singer likely about a 6/5 favorite.

Assuming this is true, then what odds would the challenger need
to make this "playable"...a "good bet" ?

The simulations show that the session win rate is over 80%,
but the system loses overall?

Then for the losing sessions, is the entire session-starting bankroll lost
before the $2500 win goal is reached?

[Rob.Singer]

Of course a martingale will win more than 8 of 10 sessions LOL.

Certainly! And imagine how much profit those minimum 8 winning sessions of at least $2500 will tally out to if a few of them are in five figures. Like $10k to $99k. Also remember, if you're inclined to claim the 1 or 2 losses, if that, will be $57200 each, you're way off and do not understand the strategy. The avg. session loss was between $3k and $4k.

So what say you mickey Teams?

If all of this bullshit were actually true, I'd just being doing this repeatedly day after day after day and piss on anyone else. Why gloat about it? Just go become a billionaire!

Again the same question--with the same answer.

I have no need or desire to spend time each week in casinos, and I would cut my own nuts off before I would ever live in a foreigner/minority/libtard-infested, social disaster city like LV. We also have all the money we need to live at least until age 120.

Clear yet?

[Rob.Singer]

Of course a martingale will win more than 8 of 10 sessions LOL.

Certainly....but the Martingale label is wrong. Does Martingale go down in denomination multiple levels as often as it goes up? And imagine how much profit those minimum 8 winning sessions of at least $2500 will tally out to if a few of them are in five figures. Like $10k to $99k. Also remember, if you're inclined to claim the 1 or 2 losses, if that, will be $57200 each, you're way off and do not understand the strategy. The avg. session loss is between $3k and $4k.

So what say you mickey Teams?

It's easy money....for me. And it's exactly why none of the mensas ever want a part of it. They prefer to sit back in their armchairs and cowardly denigrate the strategy. They couldn't stand it if that were to end right before their eyes.

yes, a marty does go down about as often as it goes up.

Dumb answer.

Bet 1, lose. Bet 2, lose. Bet 4, lose. Bet 8, lose. Bet 16, lose. Bet 32, win.
Bet 1.
That's 5 up and 1 down mickey.

Care to study Martingale a little more carefully before sounding stupid again?

[Rob.Singer]

Mickeycrimm back off. If I recall all your bets must be played out in Montana. That to me equals all of Rob's conditions combined. LOL

Rob Singer: I"ll bet anybody 600k my system will win 8 out of 10 times. C'mon. Put up or shut up.
Steve Fezzik: Let's do it.
Rob: Uh, bu, bu, but. I got conditions.
Fezzik: What are the conditions?
Rob lists his conditions
Fezzik: lets do it.
Rob: Bu, Bu, Bu, but, but I got more conditions.
Rob lists more conditions.
Fezzik: Agreed. Lets do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but. I'm changing some conditions.
Rob changes some conditions.
Fezzek: No problem. Let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, bu, bu, but, but, another condition, money placed in escrow.
Fezzik: No problem, let's do it.
Rob: Bu, bu, bu, but, but, but, oh, oh, okay one more condition. If anyone on your radio show denigrates my system before the challenge happens you forfeit the bet.
Fezzik: I cant agree to that. I don't have any real control over what my guests say. Besides, it would be to easy for you to fix. You could pay one of my guests to do it. Only a fool would agree to such a condition.
Rob: Yeah, thats it! That's the ticket! You forfeit if they badmouth it. That condition is non-negotiable. Take it or leave it.
Fezzik: Then we don't have a bet until you change that condition. Let me know when you do.

Rob goes on the forums: That coward Fezzik wouldn' take the bet. He's chicken. I won. Don't mess with me. I'm the best video poker player ever. Don't ever mess with me.

Rob never changed that condition.

It's not hard to tell mickey's still hurting over how big a fool I made out of fezzik and the HP crowd when I published my bet in GT and the LV Sun

All conditions were published and nothing changed from publication.

Still reeling, mickey?

[Rob.Singer]

Here's the problem for the supposed WoV big shots who claim super duper free play etc. from Stations, (and with kew, who's obviously making it up on the go because he can't ever stand Alan, as a REAL player, being right.)

Stations doesn't send anything but free room offers to decent winners. If they don't get responded to then 6 months later the better offers start arriving.

So that means all these supposed hot-shot ap "winners" are either making it all up....or they're big losers.

Who'd of thought?

[slingshot]

I can explain why they have not, and will do so explicitly to prevent anyone out there from taking the bait.

Arcimede$ simulations, using variations of what he knew about Argentino's/Singer's systems, actually demonstrated that the session win rate would be somewhere around 80% or above, depending on the variation of system used. In fact, the session win rate appeared to be above 80%, despite the systems losing overall. Therefore, taking Argentino/Singer up on this wager would be a sucker bet, with Argentino/Singer likely about a 6/5 favorite.

In addition, there is no printed catalogue of Argentino/Singer's systems laid out precisely. The person making the bet versus Argentino/Singer is therefore unlikely to be in possession of a detailed, full scale printout of all system(s) variations before the wager begins. That would then allow Argentino/Singer to modify tactics, denomination switches, and "end-of-session" announcements to further the goal of winning 8 out of 10 sessions.

Therefore, taking this bet would be really, really stupid, which is why nobody who knows anything about martingales is likely to accept it.

With all due respect, the strategy is laid out as the " Singer single play strategy" on THIS forum. All "variations" are covered here and a few posts earlier he clearly defined $2,500 as a session ender- just as it was told in his strategy. The REAL reason no one takes the challenge is deep down they know a 5% win of their bankroll is highly plausible.

[Rob.Singer]

Of course there is sling, and while redietz is trying very hard to show how much he doesn't know, he predictably ducked the real reason this and that collection of "big deal" ap's thus far have never wanted anything to do with betting against the SPS: they know how likely it is that I win at least 8 out Of 10, and even more terrifying to them is how much I'll win overall after playing all ten sessions.

Red puts his spin on the challenge but all he's doing is projecting cowardice. There are no "moving conditions" unless someone wants to poo it a cap on the bet at $100k or more I suppose. But for him to list that as some kind of non-starter only goes to show what a small dick he has....I mean, small bankroll. And if he believed in the late and despicable arci's phony and unknowledgable sims having the ten sessions being a "loser overall" then the coward would step up to the plate right now.

[kewlJ]

Here's the problem for the supposed WoV big shots who claim super duper free play etc. from Stations, (and with kew, who's obviously making it up on the go because he can't ever stand Alan, as a REAL player, being right.)

Stations doesn't send anything but free room offers to decent winners. If they don't get responded to then 6 months later the better offers start arriving.

So that means all these supposed hot-shot ap "winners" are either making it all up....or they're big losers.

Who'd of thought?

Wrong shit-for-brains. As any real AP knows the Vegas local type casinos, that would be your Station properties, Boyd properties, and really just about every casino not located on the strip, caters to local players. This means they have different offers for local players than they do for out of state players. When you sign up for a players card IF you have a local address on your ID, you will receive the better, free play and free bet offers. If you have an out of state address on your ID, your offers will be heavy on free or discounted rooms.

This is precisely why most real AP's that don't live in Vegas, will have a Vegas mailing address.....so they can get the better offers. Many have multiple accounts so they can get both.

You are also 100% wrong in regards to the Martingale system. Doubling up on loses is ONLY 1 kind of martingale. There are also negative-martingales which reduce wagers on wins, and several other varieties such as anti-martingale. So it is YOU who should research martingales before YOU go sounding stupid again, as you always do.

You are on a real 0-for streak here, welfare Rob.