Rob Singer's claims revisited

[SLaPiNFuNK]

One more question for slapinfunk. Do you think you could watch the cards at the other table without being detected as a card counter? Can you see the other table without being obvious about what you're doing?

Hrmmm... I've never thought of that... I mean, looking at another table to see the action? I mean, wow... They are wide open in the middle of the room... I guess I should stop looking to see what someone hit when they are yelling "back up the money truck" next time...

[SLaPiNFuNK]

One more question for slapinfunk. Do you think you could watch the cards at the other table without being detected as a card counter? Can you see the other table without being obvious about what you're doing?

Also... It is pretty easy to add 1 + 1- 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 ... I mean.. it's not exactly complicated math. I can calculate odds based on my holdings on the fly.

If you are going to count you better be able to see 12 cards on a table and be able to figure the sum within a second... Just as easily as you can figure 2+2 = 4

[MaxPen]

If you are going to count you better be able to see 12 cards on a table and be able to figure the sum within a second... Just as easily as you can figure 2+2 = 4

I am reasonably sure Alan does not know that. I am also reasonably sure he has a moot argument why it does not as well.

[kewlJ]

One more question for slapinfunk. Do you think you could watch the cards at the other table without being detected as a card counter? Can you see the other table without being obvious about what you're doing?

Also... It is pretty easy to add 1 + 1- 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 ... I mean.. it's not exactly complicated math. I can calculate odds based on my holdings on the fly.

If you are going to count you better be able to see 12 cards on a table and be able to figure the sum within a second... Just as easily as you can figure 2+2 = 4

This is yet another thing Alan fought me on. Most counters use a cancelation method. You look at a group of 8-10 cards and several have a value of zero and several others cancel out, leaving you with a number for the group in about a tenth of a second. This isn't even something you intentionally do. Your mind just does it after a while.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj I took the pictures at Treasure Island.

But so far no one here has sat at,a blackjack table in a middle seat and reported if they could see the cards at the table on their right or left.

Slapinfunk you are ten minutes from Pechanga. Take a ride and take a seat.

I don't need to. I know what all 52 cards look like in a deck. I only need to see an 1/8th of a card to know what it is let alone having them laid out on a stationary table.

Do you know what a stop sign looks like from a block away?

Take a seat and let us know how many cards or 1/8 of cards can you see? I don't know how the tables are placed at Pechanga but I doubt you can see the other table cards from any middle seat.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Kewlj I took the pictures at Treasure Island.

But so far no one here has sat at,a blackjack table in a middle seat and reported if they could see the cards at the table on their right or left.

Slapinfunk you are ten minutes from Pechanga. Take a ride and take a seat.

I don't need to. I know what all 52 cards look like in a deck. I only need to see an 1/8th of a card to know what it is let alone having them laid out on a stationary table.

Do you know what a stop sign looks like from a block away?

Take a seat and let us know how many cards or 1/8 of cards can you see? I don't know how the tables are placed at Pechanga but I doubt you can see the other table cards from any middle seat.

Are you sure you rolled a 7 ever? I mean... You are putting a lot of trust in the dealers... You can't see the dice on the other end of the table.

[Alan Mendelson]

As you know my seven to rolls ratio is very high. Maybe they do fake a 7 once or twice.

[monet]

LOL

Another Family Feud!
It is pretty bad when your own Son is coming in here taking sides against you.
Do you still owe him money?
Would his statements change if you agreed to pay what is owed to him?

[monet]

For posterity, in case some ShShSh* occurs.

* Shilling Shyster Shenanigans

LOL

ShShSh!!

LOL

[Ozzy]

Alan and his son, appear to be polar opposites when it comes to gambling knowledge!! good posts Slapinfunk.

[AxelWolf]

SLaPiNFuNK


Did you hit 4 royals in one day on single line VP and still lose?

[Alan Mendelson]

Axel I suggest you create a separate thread with the question so Jason can't miss it.

Never mind. I will.

[Moses]

One more question for slapinfunk. Do you think you could watch the cards at the other table without being detected as a card counter? Can you see the other table without being obvious about what you're doing?

Also... It is pretty easy to add 1 + 1- 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 ... I mean.. it's not exactly complicated math. I can calculate odds based on my holdings on the fly.

If you are going to count you better be able to see 12 cards on a table and be able to figure the sum within a second... Just as easily as you can figure 2+2 = 4

This is yet another thing Alan fought me on. Most counters use a cancelation method. You look at a group of 8-10 cards and several have a value of zero and several others cancel out, leaving you with a number for the group in about a tenth of a second. This isn't even something you intentionally do. Your mind just does it after a while.

KJ. This is quite a pissing contest you've entered with someone who admits to never playing the game. Maybe this will help?

It's interesting, but Tarzan, just posted some concerns that can make tracking a second table more difficult, obviously crowded conditions and NMSE, which would make the technique moot. Those are issue on the east coast. Here in Vegas, we have few NMSE tables and it was the less crowded conditions here (in Vegas) that lead me to start using this technique to begin with. I did not track multiple tables when I was back east. Tarzan also raised the concern about accuracy and missed cards. Tracking a second table is like back-counting. The count at the second table need not be perfect. Just enough to know that is a superior opportunity than the table you are currently playing.

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...-tables.55670/

KJ. I'm curious. I did not see one post from Tarzan in this entire thread. Zee made some posts. Is Zee Tarzan?

[kewlJ]

It's interesting, but Tarzan, just posted some concerns that can make tracking a second table more difficult, obviously crowded conditions and NMSE, which would make the technique moot. Those are issue on the east coast. Here in Vegas, we have few NMSE tables and it was the less crowded conditions here (in Vegas) that lead me to start using this technique to begin with. I did not track multiple tables when I was back east. Tarzan also raised the concern about accuracy and missed cards. Tracking a second table is like back-counting. The count at the second table need not be perfect. Just enough to know that is a superior opportunity than the table you are currently playing.

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...-tables.55670/

KJ. I'm curious. I did not see one post from Tarzan in this entire thread. Zee made some posts. Is Zee Tarzan?

Ok, here's what happened moses. When Alan challenged my tracking multiple tables on this site, I started the thread that you linked to at blackjackinfo, asking who else tracks multiple tables. As often occurs, when I post at BJinfo, someone then carried this discussion forward to Norm's site, where a "mirror" discussion took place. Tarzan made his comments in that "mirror" discussion at Norm's site. But unable to respond to Tarzan at Norm's site, I responded at BJinfo where Tarzan is also a member and reads. Got it?


You know moses had you linked to a thread like that from the "other" blackjack site, the owner would be screaming copyright laws at you and threatening to sue you. Crazy guy that he is.

But since you did link to this particular thread, I urge Alan to read it. While blackjackinfo has a limited membership, two long-term (decades) professional players, pretty well known in the blackjack community stated that they track a second table when they can. One of them Don Schlesinger, is a renowned blackjack mathematician and author. There were even more experienced players that confirmed they also track multiple tables in some form, in the "mirror" discussion at the "other" site. I think at the time of the discussion concerning Alan's challenge (which still continues), I also posted private emails from another very well known 30 year professional player Richard Munchkin confirming his use of this technique.

So despite that quite a few experienced players have confirmed that they track a second table in some form when they are able to, Alan, who doesn't even play the game, continues to insist that it is impossible. And he will likely weigh in again to that point. lol.

So thanks for the link moses.

[Moses]

Ok, here's what happened moses. When Alan challenged my tracking multiple tables on this site, I started the thread that you linked to at blackjackinfo, asking who else tracks multiple tables. As often occurs, when I post at BJinfo, someone then carried this discussion forward to Norm's site, where a "mirror" discussion took place. Tarzan made his comments in that "mirror" discussion at Norm's site. But unable to respond to Tarzan at Norm's site, I responded at BJinfo where Tarzan is also a member and reads. Got it?.

That makes perfect sense. Been there - doing that.

You know moses had you linked to a thread like that from the "other" blackjack site, the owner would be screaming copyright laws at you and threatening to sue you. Crazy guy that he is. .

If we are talking about the hamburger chain. Big whup. He might want to check out the skeletons in his own closet first.

But since you did link to this particular thread, I urge Alan to read it. While blackjackinfo has a limited membership, two long-term (decades) professional players, pretty well known in the blackjack community stated that they track a second table when they can. One of them Don Schlesinger, is a renowned blackjack mathematician and author.

Alan, IMO it's a worthwhile read. KJ has some good stuff in it as well. He is a good poster as long as he keeps Snickers bar nearby.

So despite that quite a few experienced players have confirmed that they track a second table in some form when they are able to, Alan, who doesn't even play the game, continues to insist that it is impossible lol. .

I do not think it is possible either. I've been in casinos one or twice (lol) and thought "how in the world is KJ doing this? However, and I mean a BIG HOWEVER, if I would have set my limitations in life based on what others perceive as being posible, I would never have achieved a 7 figure bank account, houses without mortage, cars, trucks, 4 college eds (not mine) after starting with nothing. IF my son would've taken my advice 5 years ago, he'd still be working a job and he wouldn't have taken the biz to an even higher level than I could've imagined. So what the hell do I know? Cat's in the Cradle now. They used to say I could make something out of nothing. I don't know about that. But I know the alternative (losing) was not an option. The IMORTANT thing is that YOU believe you can do it.

So thanks for the link moses.

Your welcome.

[Alan Mendelson]

So despite that quite a few experienced players have confirmed that they track a second table in some form when they are able to, Alan, who doesn't even play the game, continues to insist that it is impossible lol. .

I do not think it is possible either. I've been in casinos one or twice (lol) and thought "how in the world is KJ doing this?

Pray tell?

[Moses]

Well, Alan I wouldn't want to do it out fo fear of being spotted by the EITS. I'm very aware of EVERYTHING going on around me in a casino. From the robbers to the drug deals to the hooker negotiations. I see it or feel it damn near everyday. Whoops, that guys being cased. Why is that carrying a backpack and and muttering to himself? Whoa, that hooker is negotiating with one guy at the bar and another over behind a row of slot machines and neither guy knows it. Why does that guy have a stocking cap stuffed in the back of his pants in July. Cold ears? Hmmm. I doubt it.

I knew when a lady was coming to hit on me at a table once or twice. You know, the old what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas rule.

But I've never spotted a guy counting two tables. This isn't to say KJ isn't doing it. But it's beyond my capabilities and I'm not exactly a slouch counter. More power to him. That is a balsy move IMO.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks Moses. Sitting in a center seat do you think you'd have to turn your head a bit much to see the cards at a neighboring table? Do you think your dealer and the dealer next door will be in sync so you wouldn't hold up your own table? Do you think that maybe one player's body or body parts might obstruct your view? Do you think it might be a little awkward standing at your table to improve your view of the neighboring table? Do you think looking at the next table is totally normal and regular?

[Elaine M]

Thanks Moses. Sitting in a center seat do you think you'd have to turn your head a bit much to see the cards at a neighboring table? Do you think your dealer and the dealer next door will be in sync so you wouldn't hold up your own table? Do you think that maybe one player's body or body parts might obstruct your view? Do you think it might be a little awkward standing at your table to improve your view of the neighboring table? Do you think looking at the next table is totally normal and regular?

DO YOU THINK it`s time you paid your son what he`s owed?

[coach belly]

But I've never spotted a guy counting two tables.

Here's what they look like...totally inconspicuous, easy to understand why you didn't spot them.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/56e5...itemid=6126235