Question for Slapinfunk

[AxelWolf]

Axel: Do you believe I hit three $2 royals and four aces w/kicker on a single line $2 machine at South Point in one hour and 45 minutes, including all the waiting for the handpays...and do you believe I'm no longer welcome there to play?

Yes, I do belive all of that.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj if I was a liar and manipulative and dishonest I would have said Jason hit five royals and went home with $20,000. Instead I was being honest and said he finished with a small loss.

Just like I hit two $100k royals in one year and I finished with a loss. I could have lied about winning. I had the photos of the W2Gs and the royals posted on this forum. I easily could have claimed to have a profit and you wouldn't know the difference.

You call me a liar but I think I'm the only one who is honest.

[AxelWolf]

Lets take a look at where this all started. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/ques...ds/#post383979

I will post up some key points. It seems like Alan is allready making up shit about what he said just to make it sound better. I should just wait and let him make up more shit.

mrjack9
mrjack9
Joined:May 18, 2011Threads: 3Posts: 9August 5th, 2014 at 10:23:10 PMpermalink
Hi Guys
I recently returned from a Las Vegas vacation and would like some help analyzing my video poker results. Over a ten day period, I averaged 5 hours of play per day, and estimate that I played around 300 hands/hour (I know that's pretty slow - I like to socialize). My game is double double bonus and I usually play 50 cent or 1 dollar (5 coin). Over a ten day period I hit three royals:
50 cent/5 coin, dealt 4 cards to royal, $2000
25 cent/ 10 coin progressive, dealt 4 cards to royal, $4300 (rounded down)
1 dollar/5 coin, dealt 2 cards to royal, $4000
My question: what is the probability of hitting this many royals during this period, out of this many hands?
Thank you in advance!
Pics available upon request. Two of the royals (#2 and #3) were on the same machine (!)

AlanMendelson
AlanMendelson
Joined:Oct 5, 2011Threads: 85Posts: 3126August 6th, 2014 at 12:53:48 AMpermalink
Nice hits.

A couple of years ago my son hit five $1 royals (single line machines) in 24 hours but came home with a net loss. Each royal cost him about $4000.

I'm guessing you came back with a net profit?

[coach belly]

Lets take a look at where this all started.

I read just enough to see that you made a lot of assumptions,
and then accused Alan of misleading everyone based on your assumptions.

If you were so sure that what he was claiming could not be true,
then why didn't you bet him when he offered to prove it?

It would have saved you many nervous days and sleepless nights obsessing over it,
and we'd have never heard about again...instead of reading you milk it for 4+ years.

[AxelWolf]

AxelWolf
AxelWolf
Joined:Oct 10, 2012Threads: 121Posts: 14368August 6th, 2014 at 5:25:42 AMpermalink


If this was a standard VP machine. I just can't believe this.


AxelWolf


I respect Alan but .... this is way out of the norm. Perhaps he played some obscure game like draw till you win or 2nd chance royals.

Alan could have stopped me there and said it was not all standard VP.



But NO!!! Alan goes on to say this...


AlanMendelson
Joined:Oct 5, 2011Threads: 85Posts: 3126August 6th, 2014 at 8:30:23 AMpermalink
What don't you believe? Five royals in 24 hours?

First one was at Gold Strike at Jean. Next four came on different machines at Caesars. All single line, $1 denom. Almost non stop play.

Since there are W2Gs as proof care to challenge me with a small wager?

After confessing it was not all on$1 single line...Alan goes on to say this... I edited some of the other crap out.

I don't understand the question about travel time. Jean is abput 20 minutes outside of Vegas. Four royals at Caesars. One at Jean.
Regarding the original post it was true: he lost it all.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj if I was a liar and manipulative and dishonest I would have said Jason hit five royals and went home with $20,000. Instead I was being honest and said he finished with a small loss.

Just like I hit two $100k royals in one year and I finished with a loss. I could have lied about winning. I had the photos of the W2Gs and the royals posted on this forum. I easily could have claimed to have a profit and you wouldn't know the difference.

You call me a liar but I think I'm the only one who is honest.

Did you even read my post Alan? If you did, perhaps you didn't understand it.

Let me ask you this....when you were a kid and took the bus to school, was it a "short" bus? Seriously, you seem to have difficulty comprehending what has been said. You ALWAYS hear what you WANT to hear.

I didn't say you were lying about any results. THAT is Axelwolf saying that. I tried to give you the benefit of doubt, suggesting selective memory, which is human nature.

[AxelWolf]

Lets take a look at where this all started.

I read just enough to see that you made a lot of assumptions,
and then accused Alan of misleading everyone based on your assumptions.

If you were so sure that what he was claiming could not be true,
then why didn't you bet him when he offered to prove it?

It would have saved you many nervous days and sleepless nights obsessing over it,
and we'd have never heard about again...instead of reading you milk it for 4+ years.

I thought Alan said he doesn't make personal bets? Just more shit he makes up. I said before, I am not going to take w2'gs as proof from someone I don't know(I had no clue who his son was at the time). For enough money someome who is in a bad financial situation might fake some w2gs, especially if they have a craps addiction. Had I known more about his son I would have taken the bet.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

This is all the photo evidence I have. I think this covers all the hand pays or significant wins. I feel like there was another Royal in there but I can't imagine not taking a photo of it. Even back then...

I do remember going home with $30K in W2G's and putting over 40,000 total reward points, this is before they did bonuses...

Thanks for taking the time to post all this. I would say congratulations on all the nice hits, but since you lost I don't know what to say. 3-way action is a rough game as far as variance and I can't imagine most people know the correct strategy for that game or even come close.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I only see one legit single line Royal flush? I wouldn't have counted the 3-way action RF since I believe the cycle is much shorter than a regular RF cycle. I would have stated it can't be any special games. But Let's count the 3 way-action RF for argument sake. Hell, let's toss in another Royal for the hell of it. I'm still not counting 5 Royals, even if we tossed in the multi-line Royal.

Your father said you hit 5 SINGLE LINE royals in one day and still lost. I called BS many times. He insisted it happened many times. Your Father Alan was as sure that it happend just as sure as he was that he seen 18 yo's in a row. FYI: The and still lost was not even the biggest issue as far as I was concerned. It just made it even more unbelievable. He even went so far as to propose a bet with me and said something about having you come on and show the w2g's. I didn't even know who you were at the time so I wouldn't make a bet that relied solely on someone posting up some pictures of W2'gs. I would have needed a little more proof than that as far as a bet goes.

There were some people who thought it might have happened, but I never believed it one bit. I didn't even think you had hit 4 in one day.
I'm sure people have, I just didn't think your Dad was telling the truth(way too many gambling big fish stories), and it seems as if I was 100% right.

Thanks for being honest.

I guess the apple actully does fall VERY far from the tree.

I'm just showing what happened that weekend.

[coach belly]

For enough money someome who is in a bad financial situation might fake some w2gs

He wrote a "small wager".

You're a clown...I hope you're drunk, otherwise you're a tewl of a different dysfunction.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj if I was a liar and manipulative and dishonest I would have said Jason hit five royals and went home with $20,000. Instead I was being honest and said he finished with a small loss.

Just like I hit two $100k royals in one year and I finished with a loss. I could have lied about winning. I had the photos of the W2Gs and the royals posted on this forum. I easily could have claimed to have a profit and you wouldn't know the difference.

You call me a liar but I think I'm the only one who is honest.

Did you even read my post Alan? If you did, perhaps you didn't understand it.

Let me ask you this....when you were a kid and took the bus to school, was it a "short" bus? Seriously, you seem to have difficulty comprehending what has been said. You ALWAYS hear what you WANT to hear.

I didn't say you were lying about any results. THAT is Axelwolf saying that. I tried to give you the benefit of doubt, suggesting selective memory, which is human nature.

How many times have you called me a liar, dishonest, manipulative, a shyster and anti semite slurs? You expect me know to accept your selective memory explanation? Or should I consider it a euphemism for liar, dishonest, manipulative and shyster?

[AxelWolf]

Kewlj if I was a liar and manipulative and dishonest I would have said Jason hit five royals and went home with $20,000. Instead I was being honest and said he finished with a small loss.

Just like I hit two $100k royals in one year and I finished with a loss. I could have lied about winning. I had the photos of the W2Gs and the Royals posted on this forum. I easily could have claimed to have a profit and you wouldn't know the difference.

You call me a liar but I think I'm the only one who is honest.

Did you even read my post Alan? If you did, perhaps you didn't understand it.

Let me ask you this....when you were a kid and took the bus to school, was it a "short" bus? Seriously, you seem to have difficulty comprehending what has been said. You ALWAYS hear what you WANT to hear.

I didn't say you were lying about any results. THAT is Axelwolf saying that. I tried to give you the benefit of doubt, suggesting selective memory, which is human nature.

ALL that was said at WOV, it was also discussed here. He had lots of time and chances to find out the truth, then come clean or says he might be mistaking. did he? Nope, he just kept tupleing down. What's the difference between just making up shit and lying? How can he have made such a big mistake? He didn't make a mistake, he wanted to prove a point (as if he knows about gambling and he's MR. ain't nothing I haven't seen in gambling, I have seen it all)and he just made shit up. When he was called on it he could not back down and went all in with the BS.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

So lots of messages to reply to...

When in a casino, Alan Mendelson can not see straight. He focuses on one thing and one thing only... The machine infront of him. Hey may have gotten details crossed, but the general large figure wins is accurate. We typically do not play sitting next to eachother so he does not see all my action. Telling someone you won $4K on a W2G they think royal, they don't always think, oh that could have been a full house with 10x multiplier on 10 lines or something odd like that...



Yes I do not count the Three-Way Action Royal as a true "Royal" those are only on a Deal/Draw 5 card game... I have had a dealt royal on a Dream Card game, but I don't exactly count that as a true royal just the same...

I kinda just shove my W2G's into my purse and wait for my accountant to figure that out from statements...

At this time I was gambling purely for entertainment value. If I came home with an extra $5K or a loss of $5K it wouldn't have mattered much... I typically was not going to Vegas at that time to make money but have fun. If I came home with money in my pocket then woohoo hope no one jacks me on the way home, if I had a loss, I usually have a heck of a fun time doing it in the long run.

I had a ton of play that weekend and it was fun. I like playing VP. I like calculating in my head the chances of hitting the card to draw. I like not having the dollar amount but only credits display as I do not think of it as money but bullets which is what they are until you hit the cash out button.

I don't play VP much at all anymore... Maybe a handful of times in the last few years. I am a father now, I have other priorities and responsibilities that require more of my attention and time.

I still enjoy playing Poker. I feel I have more of an edge in poker than any other casino game. I'd rather put my time into playing poker than anything else. Unfortunately don't have much time for that either...

[AxelWolf]

For enough money someome who is in a bad financial situation might fake some w2gs

He wrote a "small wager".

You're a clown...I hope you're drunk, otherwise you're a tewl of a different dysfunction.

THAT WAS AT WOV. The conversation continued here, please go look, you will see the amount discussed was significantly more. When you find it, perhaps you will apologize and call yourself a tewl.

[coach belly]

He didn't make a mistake, he wanted to prove a point

His point was the guy had a bunch of big winners and still lost for the day.

He recalled 5 $1 royals, so if anything he underestimated the wins,
which was closer to 8 $1 royals.

But he still made his point, and he was not being deceptive at all.

[AxelWolf]

He didn't make a mistake, he wanted to prove a point

His point was the guy won a bunch of money and still lost for the day.

He recalled 5 $1 royals, so if anything he underestimated the wins,
which was closer to 8 $1 royals.

But he still made his point, and he was not being deceptive at all.

I didn't/don't really care what his original point was. I said it was not true. He kept going on as if it was absolutely true many times. He was basically saying he had proof and was willing to bet on it. THAT'S WHERE HE BECOMES DECEPTIVE.

[coach belly]

The conversation continued here, please go look, you will see the amount discussed was significantly more.

[kewlJ]

and he was not being deceptive at all.

THAT'S WHERE HE BECOMES DECEPTIVE.

hum...maybe we should post a poll. Short and sweet. Is Alan Mendelson deceptive and dishonest? Yes. No.

[Alan Mendelson]

Axel you should have taken the bet. I even offered to show Jason's W2Gs for $5,000.

[coach belly]

He was basically saying he had proof and was willing to bet on it. THAT'S WHERE HE BECOMES DECEPTIVE.

I don't think so, he wrote what he recalled and it was pretty accurate as to his point.

He was sure that he had proof, you were sure that he could not.

He wanted to bet on it, but you didn't...instead you just wanted to
brow-beat him for almost 5 years and several hours tonight about it.

Now we know the truth, he wasn't being deceptive, he just made a mistake.

[coach belly]

maybe we should post a poll.

Who is "we" ? Do you have a mouse in your pocket...or elsewhere on your person?