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    All you machine APs out there... Anyone mind sharing their opinion on the best VP books that are out there? One thing I should mention is that I don`t need to know anything about specific game strategy related info, because I have the necessary software for that part.

  2. #2
    Why are you asking about books when better resources including practice software are available online?

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    All you machine APs out there... Anyone mind sharing their opinion on the best VP books that are out there? One thing I should mention is that I don`t need to know anything about specific game strategy related info, because I have the necessary software for that part.
    I'm not a machine AP, but I have a recommendation. You've probably already read it, but Bob Dancer's classic "Million Dollar Video Poker" from Huntington Press is something that everyone should read. It will help you separate some of the voodoo, such as what is touted by some folks on this site, from what is correct and necessary. While dated, it is still relevant, and the fact it's dated tends to highlight how much easier video poker play and strategies were 20 years ago.

    The book can also be read forensically, as Dancer doesn't appear to give all of the historical facts regarding his rise and profit. There are moments he takes risks and jumps in play level without explaining quite how he managed it (probably backers and partners), and you can read between the lines to see how the story has some holes and manipulations to it. He tends to not spell out how players without his standing are at an extreme disadvantage in today's milieu.

    Always good to get a sense of what is possible. Reading about video poker from some of the people on this forum definitely lacks a bracketing of what's likely or possible. Also it's good to read a real storyline, even one that has a few holes. Too often people think they are playing by the book, neglect stepping back and keeping the whole process in perspective, and wind up essentially broke despite thinking they were following guidelines.

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    Unless you’re looking for a book that is good in the sense that it’s pages will help fuel a camp fire you should steer clear of The Undeniable Truth About Video Poker. It’s basically the nonsensical ramblings of bankrupt greaseball and won’t help you other than to tell you what NOT to do.

    https://www.jetcafe.org/npc/reviews/...deo_poker.html

    “I'm not certain about what to make of the gambling addiction chapter, except that some of it sounds like it might be drawn from personal experience.“

    Probably true. Would explain a lot. LOLZ

  5. #5
    From what I remember about Million Dollar VP, it wasn't all that "informative", but mostly just stories. At least that's what it seemed like when I read it, at least in part. There's probably some decent information in there for someone new to VP, but nothing stood out to me that was "awesome" or "groundbreaking" kinda stuff.

    Dancer has a blog. It's kinda interesting, but lots of it is stupid shit about how to get an extra 0.05% or some such nonsense. If making a few mistakes here and there makes a game unplayable, then it's probably pretty bad to begin with and your time is better spent doing something else. But there are some good nuggets of information is his blog. Just don't get consumed with trying to make every extra penny. Keep your eyes open and try to figure out every possible way to go about something -- not just the first thing you think of.
    #FreeTyde

  6. #6
    Frugal Video Poker, Jean Scott, kindle $6
    Video Poker Optimum Play, Dan Paymar, kindle $10
    Video Poker For The Intelligent Beginner, Bob Dancer, kindle $10

    It was the combination of these three authors that put me on easy street through video poker. Dancer's book here wasn't available back then but his columns and articles back in the day were a big help, along with his immaculate strategy cards.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 09-07-2018 at 07:22 AM.
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  7. #7
    Originally Posted by 18 Yos LOLZ View Post
    Unless you’re looking for a book that is good in the sense that it’s pages will help fuel a camp fire you should steer clear of The Undeniable Truth About Video Poker. It’s basically the nonsensical ramblings of bankrupt greaseball and won’t help you other than to tell you what NOT to do.

    https://www.jetcafe.org/npc/reviews/...deo_poker.html

    “I'm not certain about what to make of the gambling addiction chapter, except that some of it sounds like it might be drawn from personal experience.“

    Probably true. Would explain a lot. LOLZ
    The Amazon.com reviews are much much better! All are Rob Singer sock puppets. LOLZ

  8. #8
    Leave it to you idiots to not know when you're being trolled and made fools of by yet another anonymous poster. You people seem to always get exactly what you ask for.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Why are you asking about books when better resources including practice software are available online?
    Because I`m literally that ignorant about the subject since I`m just starting to learn about it. I`m not being a smartass, it`s true. Now I know there`s much more online, so thanks for telling me. If you or anyone else has any suggestions, please let me know. Wizard of Odds is one I know about; I don`t have my head in the sand that much about it.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    All you machine APs out there... Anyone mind sharing their opinion on the best VP books that are out there? One thing I should mention is that I don`t need to know anything about specific game strategy related info, because I have the necessary software for that part.
    I'm not a machine AP, but I have a recommendation. You've probably already read it, but Bob Dancer's classic "Million Dollar Video Poker" from Huntington Press is something that everyone should read. It will help you separate some of the voodoo, such as what is touted by some folks on this site, from what is correct and necessary. While dated, it is still relevant, and the fact it's dated tends to highlight how much easier video poker play and strategies were 20 years ago.

    The book can also be read forensically, as Dancer doesn't appear to give all of the historical facts regarding his rise and profit. There are moments he takes risks and jumps in play level without explaining quite how he managed it (probably backers and partners), and you can read between the lines to see how the story has some holes and manipulations to it. He tends to not spell out how players without his standing are at an extreme disadvantage in today's milieu.

    Always good to get a sense of what is possible. Reading about video poker from some of the people on this forum definitely lacks a bracketing of what's likely or possible. Also it's good to read a real storyline, even one that has a few holes. Too often people think they are playing by the book, neglect stepping back and keeping the whole process in perspective, and wind up essentially broke despite thinking they were following guidelines.
    This is one that was on my list of possible buys. Thanks!

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    From what I remember about Million Dollar VP, it wasn't all that "informative", but mostly just stories. At least that's what it seemed like when I read it, at least in part. There's probably some decent information in there for someone new to VP, but nothing stood out to me that was "awesome" or "groundbreaking" kinda stuff.

    Dancer has a blog. It's kinda interesting, but lots of it is stupid shit about how to get an extra 0.05% or some such nonsense. If making a few mistakes here and there makes a game unplayable, then it's probably pretty bad to begin with and your time is better spent doing something else. But there are some good nuggets of information is his blog. Just don't get consumed with trying to make every extra penny. Keep your eyes open and try to figure out every possible way to go about something -- not just the first thing you think of.
    I`m so ignorant at this point that something way short of groundbreaking would still be helpful. Thanks for mentioning his blog; I actually knew about it from long ago when I used to follow a few other people on the same website. I eventually forgot about it. Your "figure out every possible way" line is very true and what I need to be able to do. I`m still trying to get out of the "dangerous with the information that I do know" stage, but that`s what I`m trying to learn to do.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Frugal Video Poker, Jean Scott, kindle $6
    Video Poker Optimum Play, Dan Paymar, kindle $10
    Video Poker For The Intelligent Beginner, Bob Dancer, kindle $10

    It was the combination of these three authors that put me on easy street through video poker. Dancer's book here wasn't available back then but his columns and articles back in the day were a big help, along with his immaculate strategy cards.
    Perfect! BTW, reading your and monet`s posts on here has helped me out a ton, so thanks for that as well. There`s just some holes in my in my core understanding of a few things that needs to be taken care of, and that`s where the books will be helpful.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Leave it to you idiots to not know when you're being trolled and made fools of by yet another anonymous poster. You people seem to always get exactly what you ask for.
    That may happen a lot on here (I know it happens on a lot of other forums too), but not in this case. I`m no troll.

  14. #14
    If you lived in Vegas (do you?) I'd suggest you attend Bob Dancer's free classes. I did.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If you lived in Vegas (do you?) I'd suggest you attend Bob Dancer's free classes. I did.
    This is like having a 500 lb. person endorsing a diet product...….lol

  16. #16
    Video poker for the intelligent beginner is the best “how to” type imo. Million dollar video poker is more of a story/memoir, maybe hep get into mindset of how he thinks more than how to.

    Rambling and Gambling through Nevada is complete fucking horse shit, do not read that book

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    From what I remember about Million Dollar VP, it wasn't all that "informative", but mostly just stories. At least that's what it seemed like when I read it, at least in part. There's probably some decent information in there for someone new to VP, but nothing stood out to me that was "awesome" or "groundbreaking" kinda stuff.

    Dancer has a blog. It's kinda interesting, but lots of it is stupid shit about how to get an extra 0.05% or some such nonsense. If making a few mistakes here and there makes a game unplayable, then it's probably pretty bad to begin with and your time is better spent doing something else. But there are some good nuggets of information is his blog. Just don't get consumed with trying to make every extra penny. Keep your eyes open and try to figure out every possible way to go about something -- not just the first thing you think of.
    0.05% is significant when you are running hundreds of thousands of dollars through a 99.9% game to generate comps and free play

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by pepe View Post

    0.05% is significant when you are running hundreds of thousands of dollars through a 99.9% game to generate comps and free play
    Exactly what is it worth? Let's say he runs thru $500,000 of coin in. What does the extra 0.05% actually get?

  19. #19
    0.05% of $1,000,000 (1 million) is $500. So again, I'll say no -- it's not significant. An extra $500 in EV, when your EV is $50k, isn't significant. I'm not saying to purposely throw away 0.05% or anything like that. Just don't focus on getting a few extra pennies when you should go after dollars. If you can get extra, go ahead, you should. But if you're going to be spending hours upon hours learning a more advanced strategy or even generating one....well, that's not a good use of your time, when you should be trying to figure out how to get an extra 1-2%+.

    It's like when people drive out of their way to save money on gas. Okay, you saved 10c/gal on a 12g tank, that's a total of $1.20 in savings....but it took you 20 minutes out of your way (plus gas to get there/back), is your time really worth $3.60/hr?

    You go to Vegas and instead of getting a rental car, you decide to take the bus everywhere because it's cheaper. Instead of staying somewhere in the center of LV, you decide to stay at Aliante or some shit because it's cheaper. Now instead of getting in a bunch of hours at the tables or machines, you're wasting a bunch of time by waiting for the bus and the long bus ride from BFE to the different casinos you're going to hit.
    #FreeTyde

  20. #20
    I agree with RS. It's not significant. The bottom line is its maybe worth fifty-cents in actual comps.

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