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  1. #1
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    Man, you are a sicko....one with no shame either...get help soon

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    Here is a little tip for you Mr. Mendelson, not that YOU deserve it. The Station properties offer some "hidden" bonus offers. Usually it is whatever kiosk game or scratch card they are offering on Fridays, Saturday and Sundays. The prizes are directly related to you bonus level. The low limit players that get $5 and $10 free play weekly, will get scratch off and kiosk prizes of about half that amount, $3 free play or 2000 -3000 points. A player getting $40 weekly free play can expect those scratch off and kiosk prizes to be in the $20 range. That would be EACH day.

    And this month, the station kiosk game isn't limited to just Friday, Saturday, Sunday as it is most months. The kiosk scratch card game is every single day this month. You do have to earn 20 points to play, but for your level you will get $20 free play, 15,000 points or $15/$20 food credit as prizes each day. If you go to the casino every day, that should add easily double your bonus free play and food totals.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    I answered your question but you must of missed it.

    Not only did I answer your question but other players on this board answered your question.

    I told you that I constantly keep my play up in a never ending free play cycle.
    I do not let them fall off. If I played less in a month and I notice they went down slightly... I put more coin in and play harder.
    It also depends on how you play and what you play.
    Your mail might fall off faster than what mine does because of the extreme amount of coin I pump in compared to you and others.
    Also you play more in the Pit. I do not. That is why your Pit Mail is bigger than mine. I have yet to max out in the pit but I am ok with 50 x 5 in the pit per month.

    You sound like the WoVers complaing about the new system from Boyd.
    I had no problem with Boyd. They converted my Emerald Cards up to Onyx.
    They also started sending me offers from the IP and other Casinos with free stays and free play.
    I have never stepped foot in the IP at Biloxi and never intend to... I would give them away if I could but I am not going to Biloxi.
    I stopped posting about mail and free play because either you guys said I was lying and it isn't true or...
    The APs and the ones in the know didn't like me talking about it and were rude to me.
    My Feeling was Hurt. I am not made of stone no matter what you all think.
    I cry during commercials because the powers that control those waves are hypnotizing me.
    I am not the only one. This guy has the same problem.

    Last edited by monet; 09-01-2018 at 05:05 PM.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    Alan how fucking stupid are you?? Never mind don’t answer.

    Monet always showed you have to keep your play up. He never said it’s a free ride forever. You play enough at certain games that the expected lose is less than the FP. And you do it over and over again.

    How fucking hard is that to understand? In your quest to prove everyone a liar you are too stupid to read and learn.

    But since you have nothing to show for 66 years of wasting space on this Earth, why would anyone expect anything else.

    Bottom line is you are better off keeping your mouth shut. Better to let everyone think you are a moron than to open it and prove it.

    By the way, Pay your son you deadbeat piece of shit.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    Alan how fucking stupid are you?? Never mind don’t answer.

    Monet always showed you have to keep your play up. He never said it’s a free ride forever. You play enough at certain games that the expected lose is less than the FP. And you do it over and over again.

    How fucking hard is that to understand? In your quest to prove everyone a liar you are too stupid to read and learn.

    But since you have nothing to show for 66 years of wasting space on this Earth, why would anyone expect anything else.

    Bottom line is you are better off keeping your mouth shut. Better to let everyone think you are a moron than to open it and prove it.

    By the way, Pay your son you deadbeat piece of shit.
    When I typed out all those Casinos and Games and Mailers I thought I made it so simple that even a Caveman could do it!?



  7. #7
    What is funny is you are upset about a 20% decrease!? No big deal at all! You just play more now and push your mail back up!
    Wait until one day they just shut your mail off or you don't get any more offers for some reason.
    Sometimes Casinos will do this. I have seen them cut me off one month and move me back to 150 x 8 the next month!?
    WTF just happened lol!! I don't even bother them if something like that happens I just eat it because I don't want them looking me up in the computer.
    I also don't like dealing with day or swing shift.
    They play all kinds of games with you that is why you want to spread your play out as far as possible. You should be playing with 5, 10 or more Casinos.
    Sometimes you just let one mailer fall off if you find some great promotion or you just get tired.
    You can always start it back up at any time. I even explained which Casinos take more time to generate mail and which ones shoot it out within a month.
    You should have some sort of a rotation and not just rely on one shop.
    What do you smart guys call that? Diversification? Portfolios?

    I thought you were some sort of multi-millionaire anyways, so why are you fretting over 40 or 50 dollar free play offers?
    Last edited by monet; 09-01-2018 at 05:36 PM.

  8. #8
    Table game offers are separate from machine offers. But table game offers are capped at $75.

    I specifically ran thru only the free play to see how quickly it would drop off. Two months is pretty darn quick considering the mailers take a couple of weeks to prepare and mail out.

    It's typical to be attacked here for sharing information.

    Kewlj I'm well aware of the daily kiosk games. You must have missed my post that I got $400 of dining credits from the free daily August promotion.

    The current September promotion requires $20 of coin in each day to participate.

  9. #9
    Question for monet: how much coin in are you playing to maintain your levels of free play?

    I'm not interested in playing more to push my offers up. The rule I follow is don't play for comps and free play is a comp.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    After only two months of only using free play at Station Casinos my free play for September was reduced by 20-percent.

    This is what I kept asking monet about when he posted those photos of free play offers from various cards. How long does free play continue without pumping in more money? He never answered my question.

    I still get weekly free play but now it's $40 per week instead of $50. Also the amount of free dining was reduced. Previously I was getting $75 per month and starting in September it's $55 per month.

    Bottom line is you can't fool the casinos forever.
    I answered your question but you must of missed it.

    Not only did I answer your question but other players on this board answered your question.

    I told you that I constantly keep my play up in a never ending free play cycle.
    I do not let them fall off. If I played less in a month and I notice they went down slightly... I put more coin in and play harder.
    It also depends on how you play and what you play.
    Your mail might fall off faster than what mine does because of the extreme amount of coin I pump in compared to you and others.
    Also you play more in the Pit. I do not. That is why your Pit Mail is bigger than mine. I have yet to max out in the pit but I am ok with 50 x 5 in the pit per month.

    You sound like the WoVers complaing about the new system from Boyd.
    I had no problem with Boyd. They converted my Emerald Cards up to Onyx.
    They also started sending me offers from the IP and other Casinos with free stays and free play.
    I have never stepped foot in the IP at Biloxi and never intend to... I would give them away if I could but I am not going to Biloxi.
    I stopped posting about mail and free play because either you guys said I was lying and it isn't true or...
    The APs and the ones in the know didn't like me talking about it and were rude to me.
    My Feeling was Hurt. I am not made of stone no matter what you all think.
    I cry during commercials because the powers that control those waves are hypnotizing me.
    I am not the only one. This guy has the same problem.


    Good post, monet. But I do want to mention something funny. My girlfriend had her Boyd tier credits reduced from 40K to 1. LOL. She's so happy they left her with the one. One guy had his reconfigured score listed at -354,000. I kid you not. He posted a screenshot. A bit of a hole, eh? That'll take some mansplainin' by Boyd management. Hey, that wouldn't have been you for taking them on a ride all this time, would it?

  11. #11
    [QUOTE=Alan Mendelson;72929]Table game offers are separate from machine offers. But table game offers are capped at $75.

    I specifically ran thru only the free play to see how quickly it would drop off. Two months is pretty darn quick considering the mailers take a couple of weeks to prepare and mail out.
    [/QUOTE

    How can you have been gambling for more than a year and not already have known that’s how most places work? Never mind, I’ve seen you play bonus poker, makes sense how it took years to notice this.

  12. #12
    [QUOTE=mcap;72938]
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Table game offers are separate from machine offers. But table game offers are capped at $75.

    I specifically ran thru only the free play to see how quickly it would drop off. Two months is pretty darn quick considering the mailers take a couple of weeks to prepare and mail out.
    [/QUOTE

    How can you have been gambling for more than a year and not already have known that’s how most places work? Never mind, I’ve seen you play bonus poker, makes sense how it took years to notice this.
    After years of playing VP he thinks a high card beats a pair. You can't make this shit up. A fool and his money.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    [Good post, monet. But I do want to mention something funny. My girlfriend had her Boyd tier credits reduced from 40K to 1. LOL. She's so happy they left her with the one. One guy had his reconfigured score listed at -354,000. I kid you not. He posted a screenshot. A bit of a hole, eh? That'll take some mansplainin' by Boyd management. Hey, that wouldn't have been you for taking them on a ride all this time, would it?
    Don't get me wrong. That company is pretty shady but so am I. One of the Higher Ups at Sams Town told me that his job is to make sure that his side is always winning. I can not tell you how many times in the last ten years the Boyd computer system doesn't register point multipliers. I talked to a few managers so much that I developed a relationship with them and I have given them comps across the street and even presents just because I want to keep a few friends that work on the other side. I kid you not that computer system was glitched for over 2 years and cheated many a tourists and APs. However, it works both ways and many of those APs crushed them on other things like Young at Heart and other machines that were giving far too many points than it should have.

    Point Problems with Boyd is the Norm at least on my end in Las Vegas. They knocked all my Tier Scores down to zero. However that didn't change any of my card status. I have to talk to a few people to find out if they are going to start everyone fresh or if they will readjust scores later. I am guessing it will take some work for those who care. Boyd likes to play those kind of games because they can't lose. Perhaps they have to adjust or give away a bunch of points to people who complain but for the masses who don't know or care they just eat up all those points and win as usual.
    Last edited by monet; 09-02-2018 at 11:21 AM.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Question for monet: how much coin in are you playing to maintain your levels of free play?

    I'm not interested in playing more to push my offers up. The rule I follow is don't play for comps and free play is a comp.
    You did this to me already in my Juice Fast Thread.
    You asked me a question that I have answered multiple times.
    In my Juice Fast Thread you asked me the questions that the answers were directly in the post above!?
    Do you not read? Do you have a memory problem?
    Either you have a problem mentally or you are just messing with me!?
    I don't want to play your game anymore.
    I have tried to help you but you don't want help.
    You just want to be clever in your needles whereas I am more direct in my name calling.
    If you really want your answers I answered all those questions in the Hot Sucker Thread under Stations Casinos.
    I have also talked about them a few other times but like I said either you are not reading or you have an ailment.

    You refuse to play for Free Play since you consider it a Comp.
    What does it matter what my coin in is to you?
    You wouldn't understand it because my coin in is spread out through many cards.
    Leave Me Alone Alligator.



    Last edited by monet; 09-02-2018 at 11:22 AM.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Table game offers are separate from machine offers. But table game offers are capped at $75.

    I specifically ran thru only the free play to see how quickly it would drop off. Two months is pretty darn quick considering the mailers take a couple of weeks to prepare and mail out.

    It's typical to be attacked here for sharing information.

    Kewlj I'm well aware of the daily kiosk games. You must have missed my post that I got $400 of dining credits from the free daily August promotion.

    The current September promotion requires $20 of coin in each day to participate.
    Two months is not particularly fast. If you'd been in certain casinos in Atlantic City, you wouldn't have even made it through the first month before they killed your PIN for no play, have it happen a second time and the offers are toast. In fact, for it to only drop 20% in that timeframe is surprising.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Two months is not particularly fast. If you'd been in certain casinos in Atlantic City, you wouldn't have even made it through the first month before they killed your PIN for no play, have it happen a second time and the offers are toast. In fact, for it to only drop 20% in that timeframe is surprising.
    I addressed him about this before. They don't bother his machine play so much because he plays dice. The Casino loves Pit Ploppies and Dice Players. My long time friend is a Dice Junkie. He gets away with all sorts of AP machine play at the El Cortel because he donks it all off in the Dice Pit all the time so they don't want to lose his business and he has been in town 30+ years. I have watched him run up over 17k at the El Cortel Dice Game and give it all back. When he makes big scores in Dice around town he ends up at the El Cortel eventually losing plenty of money. He isn't like TJ where he begs everyone for money but he is like TJ running up big scores and blowing them all the time and this is for over 20 years now. One of his funniest run ups was at the Emerald Island where he won over 10k playing BJ betting multiple spots because the table limit was only 500 or was it 200? 200 is a better story. That is kinda huge action for that joint. It was funny because he only had a few hundred when he started.

    Talk about funny run ups from degenerates. I seen sigh eed once playing black jack as I was walking through a Casino. This guy is almost always busted. Although he can run it up sometimes. He had some large bet out on a hand. It was just over 16k... lol he lost.

    These days, especially with Stations, if you don't give them play with the Free Play they will bring the Hammer down on you.
    Not only them but it is always a good idea to show some play when you rip off free play unless you can pull the card.
    The days that you could play and pick up are basically gone. Those were fun times.
    Last edited by monet; 09-02-2018 at 11:56 AM.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    [Good post, monet. But I do want to mention something funny. My girlfriend had her Boyd tier credits reduced from 40K to 1. LOL. She's so happy they left her with the one. One guy had his reconfigured score listed at -354,000. I kid you not. He posted a screenshot. A bit of a hole, eh? That'll take some mansplainin' by Boyd management. Hey, that wouldn't have been you for taking them on a ride all this time, would it?
    Don't get me wrong. That company is pretty shady but so am I. One of the Higher Ups at Sams Town told me that his job is to make sure that his side is always winning. I can not tell you how many times in the last ten years the Boyd computer system doesn't register point multipliers. I talked to a few managers so much that I developed a relationship with them and I have given them comps across the street and even presents just because I want to keep a few friends that work on the other side. I kid you not that computer system was glitched for over 2 years and cheated many a tourists and APs. However, it works both ways and many of those APs crushed them on other things like Young at Heart and other machines that were giving far too many points than it should have.

    Point Problems with Boyd is the Norm at least on my end in Las Vegas. They knocked all my Tier Scores down to zero. However that didn't change any of my card status. I have to talk to a few people to find out if they are going to start everyone fresh or if they will readjust scores later. I am guessing it will take some work for those who care. Boyd likes to play those kind of games because they can't lose. Perhaps they have to adjust or give away a bunch of points to people who complain but for the masses who don't know or care they just eat up all those points and win as usual.
    Monet, I happen to know exactly what you mean (and then some) regarding "that company is pretty shady and so am I" stuff. Boyd has done favors for people that were not in the Marquess of Queensbury Rules. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  18. #18
    I know Monet doesn't want to hear about players complaining about the Boyd switch to new tier levels, but I am going to complain anyway. What a load of shit!


    I went from the green card, which was the higher 3rd level (I think there was one super higher level), to sapphire which is the second of 5 levels now. I had well over 100k tier level points that have disappeared.

    When I complained at Sam's town, the lady told me, they were still changing over and everything would eventually be restored. I have no faith in that. Sounds like a company line of bullshit.

    So over the weekend, I decided to hit a big coin-in at Sam's town to recycle my mailer offers. I played a ton of coin in. I didn't keep track of the exact amount, but it was an amount that under the old system, would have earned me 10's of thousands of tier credits with the old system. But with this new system, I got 784 tier credits for that high amount of coin in. I went back to the Bconnected counter to complain and was told it would all be adjusted in the coming weeks. What BS! We will see what happens in the coming weeks but I bet nothing will be adjusted and I bet I don't get anywhere near the offers from this big coin-in play that I would have under the old system.

    I have been cutting back on my machine play AP anyway, going back to my BJ roots, so this is probably it for Boyd for me. Go ahead monet, you can comment about me being a crybaby, but this new program appears to be shit and the roll out atrocious.

  19. #19
    I don't know if this helps the discussion about Boyd but I just signed up for their online account. I did play there heavily a year ago when I was married for a short time to Janet (she is cancer free again). I was Sapphire. The online account shows I'm still Sapphire and I have 173 tier points. I also have a $35 free play offer every two weeks.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I know Monet doesn't want to hear about players complaining about the Boyd switch to new tier levels, but I am going to complain anyway. What a load of shit!


    I went from the green card, which was the higher 3rd level (I think there was one super higher level), to sapphire which is the second of 5 levels now. I had well over 100k tier level points that have disappeared.

    When I complained at Sam's town, the lady told me, they were still changing over and everything would eventually be restored. I have no faith in that. Sounds like a company line of bullshit.

    So over the weekend, I decided to hit a big coin-in at Sam's town to recycle my mailer offers. I played a ton of coin in. I didn't keep track of the exact amount, but it was an amount that under the old system, would have earned me 10's of thousands of tier credits with the old system. But with this new system, I got 784 tier credits for that high amount of coin in. I went back to the Bconnected counter to complain and was told it would all be adjusted in the coming weeks. What BS! We will see what happens in the coming weeks but I bet nothing will be adjusted and I bet I don't get anywhere near the offers from this big coin-in play that I would have under the old system.

    I have been cutting back on my machine play AP anyway, going back to my BJ roots, so this is probably it for Boyd for me. Go ahead monet, you can comment about me being a crybaby, but this new program appears to be shit and the roll out atrocious.
    I am not calling you some crybaby. If you have been playing with Boyd for x amount of years and playing machines and with any Vegas Casinos you have to roll with the tide or the punches. This has been an ongoing war where players get screwed and sometimes the Casino gets Screwed. If you got in on the Young at Heart Promo and pounded it like many people did, Boyd can never touch you. This means ok, you get screwed on this one but you always can screw them on something else. You have to constantly complain and complain to the right people to get your points adjusted properly. I am not sure why you are putting in a ton of coin in at Sams Town? Sams Town has been at war with Video Poker APs for years now. Anyone who was hammering the 9/6 Jacks at the bar knows they got upset when they ripped all that out awhile ago. Over a year. I don't play too much with Sams Town. I will give them some play but I would much rather hammer Boyd at the downtown properties. Some of those machines give full points and some of them give over full points still.

    Obviously Boyd is changing their ways and not going to cater to VP players anymore. Learn Slots. I put up plenty of Fremont Slot/Reel information to get anyone started. My cards all went to Onyx. Boyd, in Vegas, didn't have a 4th card but they did have a difference between Emerald Players. They did have sort of a secret level but your card was always Emerald even if you were in that upper level of Emerald. Other parts of the country had Onyx. Now it appears Onyx is the top level in Vegas. They will adjust your score but you have to keep on them and you need to know what your points should be.

    Sometimes, we as players get screwed on something. You have to just let that slide and go hustle next door. I find that APs are way too Tom Sum (Greedy). They tell me how they crushed a certain Casino last year but got screwed out of 500 in comp lol. I find that shit funny like a poker player telling me another bad beat story. I have actually seen many APs get Hot Sucker and tell on themselves. This one guy at the Nugget a few years back found out the 5 dollar machines were giving double points. When his points weren't exactly to the T he went and complained. He was upset about 10k in points and demanded them. Needless to say this brought attention to that card reader and they fixed the problem. APs start to think they own the joint and that is far from it.

    You have to be able to take the good with the bad. You should know this. Especially with machine play. You should have many eggs in your basket so when one breaks you have 11 more to choose from.

    Suck it up and move on to the next thing. Too bad the El Cortel took out those cheating machines where you could of got an advantage. Free Money Gone
    Things constantly change. The best any smart player can do is to get his money in with the best of it and what happens, happens. Now, an honest bastard like you can't just go and cheat and steal. You are too good for that, you have to figure honest ways out how to win in the Casino. I salute you!
    Last edited by monet; 09-04-2018 at 01:41 AM.

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