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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    These days, especially with Stations, if you don't give them play with the Free Play they will bring the Hammer down on you.
    Not only them but it is always a good idea to show some play when you rip off free play unless you can pull the card.
    The days that you could play and pick up are basically gone. Those were fun times.
    Do you have a % of your monthly play that goes toward non-point/freeplay days? I've been doing about 10-20% of it, but wondering if it should be more, given that my freeplay offers have dropped sharply in the last couple of months (and not because I'm winning).

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    These days, especially with Stations, if you don't give them play with the Free Play they will bring the Hammer down on you.
    Not only them but it is always a good idea to show some play when you rip off free play unless you can pull the card.
    The days that you could play and pick up are basically gone. Those were fun times.
    Do you have a % of your monthly play that goes toward non-point/freeplay days? I've been doing about 10-20% of it, but wondering if it should be more, given that my freeplay offers have dropped sharply in the last couple of months (and not because I'm winning).
    Great question Guy. I do believe Monet will answer to the best of his ability. Could be one of the most beneficial responses here if he has a formula he is willing to share. And no one would blame him if he has a maximum plan that works for him he doesn’t wish to share.

    He’s an enigma, a bad guy who shares information without asking for anything in return. A Robin Hood without a Friar Tuck.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    These days, especially with Stations, if you don't give them play with the Free Play they will bring the Hammer down on you.
    Not only them but it is always a good idea to show some play when you rip off free play unless you can pull the card.
    The days that you could play and pick up are basically gone. Those were fun times.
    Do you have a % of your monthly play that goes toward non-point/freeplay days? I've been doing about 10-20% of it, but wondering if it should be more, given that my freeplay offers have dropped sharply in the last couple of months (and not because I'm winning).
    I think what many of you fail to understand is I play a lot of 5 dollar VP and up.
    I also mix in Reels. I go through some massive swings.
    My mailers and rating is going to be far different compared to most players.
    They will last longer as well when I decide to abruptly stop playing.
    So I could tell you what I do and how I do it but I don't think it is going to make sense to many of you.
    I have had 6 figure swings both up and down in the last 6 months so if you are unwilling to take on that risk I don't think my methods will help you out.
    I don't have some formula to tell you how to play on non point days or on point days.
    Some machines are glitched so that is straight cheating. If you aren't willing to take on some risk with getting your hand caught in the cookie jar I can't help you either.
    I also play some Dollar and 5 dollar Reel Machines. It does not matter if I show a win on them or not.
    Casino Loves anyone Hammering those Machines.
    I still rotate many players cards. Something that you have to take a risk with again to reap the rewards. It certainly is not Kosher.

    When I play live Poker I tend to look at the guy showing his hole cards next to me.
    Are you willing to do such Evil?
    Win at All Costs? I don't care about the math so much on certain things.
    On other things I play razor thin edges but I have known the strategy for almost half my life.
    I enjoy hammering out 8 hours on some 100.17 game with .3 points.
    The swings do not bother me the least.

    As Far as being some Robin Hood?
    I dunno, I guess. I do go out and feed the birds a lot.
    I go to the streets and give the homeless sack lunches with a couple bucks in them.
    I don't do as much bad as I used to 20 years ago but I am still a worm.
    I am trying to be better but if you continue in this Lifestyle you have to be a worm.
    It is kill or be killed. Win at all costs which means better you than me type of attitude.

    I don't have a percentage but when I stick my card in and play I put some points on.
    I put in 10k minimum usually if I put my card in or another card in.
    The Casinos are serious about players who don't play anymore.
    They don't like it when you only put a few hundred points on your card or even a few K on VP, especially some good VP game.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    These days, especially with Stations, if you don't give them play with the Free Play they will bring the Hammer down on you.
    Not only them but it is always a good idea to show some play when you rip off free play unless you can pull the card.
    The days that you could play and pick up are basically gone. Those were fun times.
    Do you have a % of your monthly play that goes toward non-point/freeplay days? I've been doing about 10-20% of it, but wondering if it should be more, given that my freeplay offers have dropped sharply in the last couple of months (and not because I'm winning).
    I think what many of you fail to understand is I play a lot of 5 dollar VP and up.
    I also mix in Reels. I go through some massive swings.
    My mailers and rating is going to be far different compared to most players.
    They will last longer as well when I decide to abruptly stop playing.
    So I could tell you what I do and how I do it but I don't think it is going to make sense to many of you.
    I have had 6 figure swings both up and down in the last 6 months so if you are unwilling to take on that risk I don't think my methods will help you out.
    I don't have some formula to tell you how to play on non point days or on point days.
    Some machines are glitched so that is straight cheating. If you aren't willing to take on some risk with getting your hand caught in the cookie jar I can't help you either.
    I also play some Dollar and 5 dollar Reel Machines. It does not matter if I show a win on them or not.
    Casino Loves anyone Hammering those Machines.
    I still rotate many players cards. Something that you have to take a risk with again to reap the rewards. It certainly is not Kosher.

    When I play live Poker I tend to look at the guy showing his hole cards next to me.
    Are you willing to do such Evil?
    Win at All Costs? I don't care about the math so much on certain things.
    On other things I play razor thin edges but I have known the strategy for almost half my life.
    I enjoy hammering out 8 hours on some 100.17 game with .3 points.
    The swings do not bother me the least.

    As Far as being some Robin Hood?
    I dunno, I guess. I do go out and feed the birds a lot.
    I go to the streets and give the homeless sack lunches with a couple bucks in them.
    I don't do as much bad as I used to 20 years ago but I am still a worm.
    I am trying to be better but if you continue in this Lifestyle you have to be a worm.
    It is kill or be killed. Win at all costs which means better you than me type of attitude.

    I don't have a percentage but when I stick my card in and play I put some points on.
    I put in 10k minimum usually if I put my card in or another card in.
    The Casinos are serious about players who don't play anymore.
    They don't like it when you only put a few hundred points on your card or even a few K on VP, especially some good VP game.
    Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat.-Ken Patera.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  5. #25
    It gets a little aggravating trying to walk some of you through this but I have been playing this game for some time now.
    Who with? Stations. They have been running some serious point days lately.
    Even if they don't, I still generate enough point days to hammer this game on all sorts of cards.
    I have to control myself not to play the 5 dollar machine because nobody is over there and I don't want 2 hand pays an hour.
    So I play the 2 dollar version. On this 12 machine bank you can play 1, 2 and 5 dollar but if you drop to 50 cent or Quarters you get Cut, Cut, Cut... 8/6.
    Last night I played 7 hours generating over 70k of coin in spread out with 4 cards... you do the math.
    The game can seriously be Jump Off The Cliff... Are you reading Wizard... Go Jump Right Off that Cliff in Laughlin!!
    Honestly though it isn't hard to get stuck 8k. Although I have been up 9k without hitting a Royal before.
    The 4 of a kind swings can be brutal even though the game only has a 32 variance rating. (32.1304) for you sick bastards.

    So you play this game at 99.64% Payback if you can play advanced strategy.
    I suggest most people play Basic Strategy and take the .05% hit... Perhaps it is only .03% which is even better.
    If you play on a 6x point day or better you are looking at, lets keep it simple... 99.6 + .6 = 100.2
    Now if you know what you are doing you can generate a 2% mailer but keep it simple. Let's say 1% in Mail.
    You can also ask for some comps from the host and these days you either text or call and they just put it on your card.
    Let's say you play on a non point day but still get .3 in points. You get what? 99.9% back! Plus your Mailers and what not!
    Not only are you winning but the Casino likes you more because you look like a maniac.

    Of course when you have some bad hour or two and you are down 3 grand you just switch cards.
    Always leave some cards with major losses on them. You should have a group of negative cards and positive cards.
    You want to try to have some really bad cards that show tremendous losses. Let's say you hit back to back Royals on a card.
    You don't play that card on good games anymore. You wait for some crazy Reel Game or High Variance VP Progressive and bring those Wins Down.
    You can also just let that card fall off and die for awhile if you win too much on that account.
    Always be rotating cards and casinos. You should have 5/10/15 Rotation and when something happens like Boyd...
    You just tell them to F Off for awhile till they fix their shit or you find some mistake or promotion.
    Why bang your head against the wall?
    You do not even have to play this game to follow this Strategy or Formula.
    You can use it on lower denomination games. The big thing is to have a bunch of cards that show Huge Losses.
    Of course honest squares like RS and kewlJ need not apply.

    Do you want me to tell you exactly where these machines are???
    Do I need to hold your hand and walk you around the city showing you what to do and when to do it?
    Do you need me to watch you when you slip up and play some Negative EV Game and Tackle You??
    I have rambled enough. Hopefully someone out there can understand a little bit of this information and put it to use.
    I wish all of you a Good Plan or Better Plan in the Future.
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    Last edited by monet; 09-05-2018 at 12:12 PM.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    It gets a little aggravating trying to walk some of you through this but I have been playing this game for some time now.
    Who with? Stations. They have been running some serious point days lately.
    Even if they don't, I still generate enough point days to hammer this game on all sorts of cards.
    I have to control myself not to play the 5 dollar machine because nobody is over there and I don't want 2 hand pays an hour.
    So I play the 2 dollar version. On this 12 machine bank you can play 1, 2 and 5 dollar but if you drop to 50 cent or Quarters you get Cut, Cut, Cut... 8/6.
    Last night I played 7 hours generating over 70k of coin in spread out with 4 cards... you do the math.
    The game can seriously be Jump Off The Cliff... Are you reading Wizard... Go Jump Right Off that Cliff in Laughlin!!
    Honestly though it isn't hard to get stuck 8k. Although I have been up 9k without hitting a Royal before.
    The 4 of a kind swings can be brutal even though the game only has a 32 variance rating. (32.1304) for you sick bastards.

    So you play this game at 99.64% Payback if you can play advanced strategy.
    I suggest most people play Basic Strategy and take the .05% hit... Perhaps it is only .03% which is even better.
    If you play on a 6x point day or better you are looking at, lets keep it simple... 99.6 + .6 = 100.2
    Now if you know what you are doing you can generate a 2% mailer but keep it simple. Let's say 1% in Mail.
    You can also ask for some comps from the host and these days you either text or call and they just put it on your card.
    Let's say you play on a non point day but still get .3 in points. You get what? 99.9% back! Plus your Mailers and what not!
    Not only are you winning but the Casino likes you more because you look like a maniac.

    Of course when you have some bad hour or two and your down 3 grand you just switch cards.
    Always leave some cards with major losses on them. You should have a group of negative cards and positive cards.
    You want to try to have some really bad cards that show tremendous losses. Let's say you hit back to back Royals on a card.
    You don't play that card on good games anymore. You wait for some crazy Reel Game or High Variance VP Progressive and bring those Wins Down.
    You can also just let that card fall off and die for awhile if you win too much on that account.
    Always be rotating cards and casinos. You should have 5/10/15 Rotation and when something happens like Boyd...
    You just tell them to F Off for awhile till they fix their shit or you find some mistake or promotion.
    Why bang your head against the wall?
    You do not even have to play this game to follow this Strategy or Formula.
    You can use it on lower denomination games. The big thing is to have a bunch of cards that show Huge Losses.
    Of course honest squares like RS and kewlJ need not apply.

    Do you want me to tell you exactly where these machines are???
    Do I need to hold your hand and walk you around the city showing you what to do and when to do it?
    Do you need me to watch you when you slip up and play some Negative EV Game and Tackle You??
    I have rambled enough. Hopefully someone out there can understand a little bit of this information and put it to use.
    I wish all of you a Good Plan or Better Plan in the Future.
    The downside to this game is getting a W2G for any 4oak. Is .001% worth it?

    You see way more 2 pairs than 4oak...

    2 pair account for 25% of the return when pays double and are much more frequent than 40ak.

    Unless you got the rungood, the 964311 JOB is a setup for AP's to lose.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post

    The downside to this game is getting a W2G for any 4oak. Is .001% worth it?

    You see way more 2 pairs than 4oak...

    2 pair account for 25% of the return when pays double and are much more frequent than 40ak.

    Unless you got the rungood, the 964311 JOB is a setup for AP's to lose.
    Good, don't play. I hardly see anyone playing over there anyway.
    Either they don't want the aggravation or they don't have the funds.
    Perhaps they are like RS and others finding and telling everyone where the 10% winning games are.
    Hopefully guys like you won't get smart and understand what to do on this bank.
    This bank has been here for some time now. They weren't always set to this number.
    If I played the 5 dollar game all the time it would get shut down and turned back to 8/6.
    When you play the 2 dollar version you don't have to worry about W2Gs.
    IMO I never worry about W2Gs.
    IMO this game is a mistake. The only other game that is close on this bank is 8/5 Bonus Poker.

    A set up for APs to lose... Losing on your players card looks good. Casino Loves You More.
    I shouldn't bother but I do believe one player out there gets it and will be able to use this information.
    Last edited by monet; 09-05-2018 at 12:25 PM.

  8. #28
    I was asking you a question you fuck ass...
    Last edited by SLaPiNFuNK; 09-05-2018 at 12:35 PM.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post


    Don't hold 2 pair if KK22.
    Spoken like a true Son of Mendleson.

    Last I checked... 8.4 beats 7.6 but you keep throwing 22 away when you have KK22X!
    Nice Job... way to play that Video Poker... Player!

    Even on the 8/6 version you still hold KK22 you knob!

  10. #30
    fuck you you aren't worth my time. .

  11. #31
    fuck you you aren't worth my time.

  12. #32
    fuck you you aren't worth my time

  13. #33
    Ooh, tough talk.

    Exciting.
    What, Me Worry?

  14. #34
    Funny how you had to delete all those posts with idiotic statements and questions.
    You know you had no clue what you were talking about and had to delete them.
    Instead of saying delete you decided to tell me to F Off.
    My Feeling is Hurt yet again.
    I better go buy some more lube as you said my ass if full of.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Funny how you had to delete all those posts with idiotic statements and questions.
    You know you had no clue what you were talking about and had to delete them.
    Instead of saying delete you decided to tell me to F Off.
    My Feeling is Hurt yet again.
    I better go buy some more lube as you said my ass if full of.

    No wonder you are such a miserable fuck... you play bullshit games like that!

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    I was asking you a question you fuck ass...
    Last I checked this is a statement... not a question. I see a period not a question mark and it certainly isn't in a form of a question.

    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post


    Don't hold 2 pair if KK22.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post


    No wonder you are such a miserable fuck... you play bullshit games like that!
    I am miserable? I don't feel miserable. I feel really good.
    I am pretty happy actually. I am miserable?
    Are you in my head? How do you know I feel miserable?

    I posted up a game and a positive play and explained how to beat it.
    If you or others don't want to play, I can respect that but to come in here and tell me the game isn't a win is plain bullshit.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Plenty of APs playing games that have 300 to 600 Variance.
    This game is thirty fucking two.
    You ever mess with 2 for 1 or Ultimate X as they call it.
    This game is way, way softer. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
    You want to say that 9/6 JoB is softer... Duh... Any 2 Pair Game is Softer.
    Do they let you play 9/6 JoB at the 2 dollar level in this Casino?
    You idiots play 9/6 DDB and come in here and give me strife over 9/6 BPDlx lol.
    Why don't you fucking post up something and show people how to get 102% back on coin in?
    I thought so... you have no information and if you do you are not willing to post it publicly.
    Last edited by monet; 09-05-2018 at 12:48 PM.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post


    No wonder you are such a miserable fuck... you play bullshit games like that!
    I am miserable? I don't feel miserable. I feel really good.
    I am pretty happy actually. I am miserable?
    Are you in my head? How do you know I feel miserable?

    So don't say I'm a "mendleson" like the other one because I asked you a questoin to find out why you play that bullshit.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    I was asking you a question you fuck ass...
    Last I checked this is a statement... not a question. I see a period not a question mark and it certainly isn't in a form of a question.

    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post


    Don't hold 2 pair if KK22.
    Don't hold 2 pair if KK22??????????

    FIXED IT FOR YOU

  20. #40
    The odds of getting a 4 of a kind on this game are 423.78 to 1.
    These guys want us to believe they are more than 40x behind the odds.
    These guys go 20,000 hands without making a quad or at least SLaPiNFuNK stated that is more probable than making back to back quads.
    Anyone here ever gone 20,000 hands without a quad in any game?
    The Quad is massive in this game. It accounts for 18.8% payback on the game, no different if you play 9/6 DDB and go 20,000 hands without a quad.
    Both games have basically the same payback for quads. If you fall behind on quads in any game you are going to have trouble.
    The big difference is 9/6 DDB is a 98.98% game and BPDlx is 99.64% Return. Which do you prefer?
    Variance is 41 on the DDB and 32 on BPDlx. I like the BPDlx.
    Welcome to Video Poker. The truth is this is all classroom bullshit and doesn't play like that in the real world.
    As I have stated before. Once you get 100k of coin in the numbers start to balance out and after 1 million they break near perfect.
    Don't take my word for it though. Do what you want. My post was to give players the option and show them a play.
    Nobody is saying that you have to play it. You want to beat games like this you have to do a few things like...
    Rotate Players Cards. Figure out how to get 900 dollars in Free Play a month on 60k coin in.
    Ask for some comps. Play for drawings. Learn how to show massive losses on cards.
    Enroll and Go to all Tournaments. Ask for a special Free Play Day when you have a bad loss.
    I have had many days where they would give me 500 in Free Play when I asked.
    One shot one day but that is 500 in Free Play on top of everything else. Could it effect your mailers?
    Possibly but I haven't seen any indication of it. Either way if it does you are getting it upfront instead of waiting.
    Usually Marketing and Hosts aren't on the same page. Marketing kinda does their own thing and most mail is computer generated.
    They will give it to you if you ask your host and know how to go about it.
    Play other games... etc etc. You don't have to play this game to incorporate the strategy.
    I for one like the game. I like it better than 8/5 Bonus Poker and currently this is the best 2 dollar flat game in the house.
    As I stated before you could play 5 dollar but you will get too many lock ups and they will cut those machines IMO.

    You Fuckers ask me to break down what I do and how I do it.
    When I show you, that doesn't make you happy. You say... Fuck You and that Game!
    Remember, your people are the same people who crucified Jesus.
    Last edited by monet; 09-05-2018 at 01:23 PM.

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