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  1. #41
    So your highness... How do you adjust your play so you make more 4oak in that game over others?

  2. #42
    Thank you monet! This is very good information! I guess I have some scouting to do.

  3. #43
    I'm not clear monet on your strategy with bonus poker deluxe.

    So if dealt KK22 do you just hold the kings?

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Funny how you had to delete all those posts with idiotic statements and questions.
    You know you had no clue what you were talking about and had to delete them.
    Instead of saying delete you decided to tell me to F Off.
    My Feeling is Hurt yet again.
    I better go buy some more lube as you said my ass if full of.

    No wonder you are such a miserable fuck... you play bullshit games like that!
    99.64% is not a bullshit game if it generates 2% mailers.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    Thank you monet! This is very good information! I guess I have some scouting to do.
    Not a problem. Playing for the backside can be tricky and isn't for the inexperienced or faint of heart. Always some risk involved but off the jump you are playing either 99.94 or 100.2 return. For me, I can take the risk because if they shut it down when I'm stuck 5k or 10k I have other eggs in the basket that yield the same or better harvest. This is why I try to tell people to be spread out wide.

    I felt in my original post with the pictures I clearly left enough bread crumbs, to at minimum, find the exact Casino. It shouldn't be too difficult to find the bank if you are used to scouting and know/live in Vegas. Again this is more of an advanced play. The minimum is dollars but if your going to play dollars they have JoB. The problem is the rating. They rate you different on this bank of games.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm not clear monet on your strategy with bonus poker deluxe.

    So if dealt KK22 do you just hold the kings?
    Alan, take a look at the screenshot.

    Holding the two pair is worth 8.4 coins. On a $2 game that equates to $16.80.

    Holding just the pair of Kings is worth 7.6653 coins. On a $2 game that equates to $15.33

    So it's a $1.47 mistake to throw the 2 deuces away and hold just the pair of Kings.
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Mickeycrimm that's what I always thought, to hold the two pair. But monet said the quads represent about 19% return so I wondered if HIS strategy was different. I don't play bonus poker deluxe. But it's interesting that any 4oak pays the same as quad aces in Bonus Poker.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Mickeycrimm that's what I always thought, to hold the two pair. But monet said the quads represent about 19% return so I wondered if HIS strategy was different. I don't play bonus poker deluxe. But it's interesting that any 4oak pays the same as quad aces in Bonus Poker.
    Here's the game stats. They used to have this game at the Suncoast at $5 level and they would pitch people out for playing it on 3X multiplier days. You have to be careful at Suncoast. They got it in for AP's. You will lose all the Boyd properties if you get pitched from Suncoast.
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    The Quad is massive in this game. It accounts for 18.8% payback on the game
    Then there is the freakish game Bonus Poker Plus, where the quad accounts for 23.5% of the return (100 coins returned for a one-coin wager if the quad hits), but of course it has a horrible return table (full pay is 97% lol). I guess this game is good for natural quad promotions if you are in a place like Vegas or Hobey's in Reno where this rarity can be found (great Advantage Play post BTW Monet).

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Then there is the freakish game Bonus Poker Plus, where the quad accounts for 23.5% of the return (100 coins returned for a one-coin wager if the quad hits), but of course it has a horrible return table (full pay is 97% lol). I guess this game is good for natural quad promotions if you are in a place like Vegas or Hobey's in Reno where this rarity can be found (great Advantage Play post BTW Monet).
    Another "Fall Off The Cliff" game I was playing at the 2 and 5 dollar level in the last couple years is 9/5 Triple Bonus Poker Plus. (99.8%)
    Same Idea. Point Days. Switch Cards. Drawings. Tournaments. Backdoor Comps... etc. etc.
    Not a Fun Game for someone who only has a few days to play but for someone who plays many games all over with similar payback it just feels like another day.
    Believe it or Not but when you play many hours, weeks, months and years on end you actually do run into days and months where you are above the Quad or Royal Cycle.
    The Math Guys don't like the word "Cycle" but I am not them. However it doesn't matter. My basic concept when playing these games is to get 101% payback total or better.
    When you generate large amounts of coin in, just 1% is a heavy hammer. For me, even .5% can be Huge.
    Anything over that is gravy. These other guys who always get 8% Return on their money or better are living the dream.
    I am envious and jealous.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Mickeycrimm that's what I always thought, to hold the two pair. But monet said the quads represent about 19% return so I wondered if HIS strategy was different. I don't play bonus poker deluxe. But it's interesting that any 4oak pays the same as quad aces in Bonus Poker.
    Here's the game stats. They used to have this game at the Suncoast at $5 level and they would pitch people out for playing it on 3X multiplier days. You have to be careful at Suncoast. They got it in for AP's. You will lose all the Boyd properties if you get pitched from Suncoast.
    More of your "trying to belong"? Except that your concern, as most of what you "report" is, still in 2003 when Suncoast opened. No AP these days cares if they can play at Boyd's properties or not.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Mickeycrimm that's what I always thought, to hold the two pair. But monet said the quads represent about 19% return so I wondered if HIS strategy was different. I don't play bonus poker deluxe. But it's interesting that any 4oak pays the same as quad aces in Bonus Poker.
    Here's the game stats. They used to have this game at the Suncoast at $5 level and they would pitch people out for playing it on 3X multiplier days. You have to be careful at Suncoast. They got it in for AP's. You will lose all the Boyd properties if you get pitched from Suncoast.
    More of your "trying to belong"? Except that your concern, as most of what you "report" is, still in 2003 when Suncoast opened. No AP these days cares if they can play at Boyd's properties or not.
    Why don't you get Alan to go over there and play the 9/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe on a 3X day and see what happens.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    More of your "trying to belong"?
    You, sir truly don't belong. All you have is sorcery and voodoo. Professional gambler? You? I'm busting my gut laughing so hard.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #54
    Thanks again! I found the bank of machines a couple of days ago.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    Thanks again! I found the bank of machines a couple of days ago.
    Obviously it is good this month because of so many point days.
    However members here are saying that it is 99.64% return.
    You have to remember the card which is immediate cash back.
    So you add .6 to the game making it 100.24%
    Some other point days you can get .5%. Any day you play with your Chairman Card it is .3% added.
    It is wild variance but that isn't always a bad thing.
    Some players prefer variance.
    I am actually slightly ahead of the game counting cash back and no comps/FP/Mail.
    I was behind pretty good in the first week but that is normal.
    The mail is where things pick up in my opinion.
    You can find dollar machines that are better but the rating isn't as good.
    I also like the option to play 2 or 5 dollar machines when I want to get in fast coin.
    I also like the fact that if I have a card that is in the positive I can play this game and lose a bunch of coin in pretty fast and get the card in the negative.
    Before I got on another health/juice kick I was enjoying that Steak House 3 times a week!

    Some members on here like to say you will go 20k hands without a quad.
    I have never experienced such a dry spell.
    The worst I have done is 3 quads in 7 hours.
    That is pretty ugly, around 12 quads behind.
    I have had days where I have made 8 quads in an hour.
    It all balances out. The game isn't soft like JoB or FPDW.
    However it is pretty soft compared to other plays I have been on.
    The worst day, on this bank, I had was a 9k loss.
    The best day, on this bank, I had was a 20k win.
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  16. #56
    I played a lot of $2 9/6 Bonus Deluxe at another property last year before they cut my mailer. The swings can be bad but it is a lot of fun to hit a few quads close together.

    For those wondering about volatility, for a 1% RoR and 2x points (0.6%) you need a $149,902 bankroll to play $1. With even a 1% mailer that drops to $26,745.

    Right now I'm using an out of state address at Stations for several reasons but I may need to re-think.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    Right now I'm using an out of state address at Stations for several reasons but I may need to re-think.
    Have you used a local address in the past, and if so, can you outline the differences in your offers?

    I have the option of using local/out of state, but I always assumed local would be better for bounceback.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Originally Posted by jj5957 View Post
    Right now I'm using an out of state address at Stations for several reasons but I may need to re-think.
    Have you used a local address in the past, and if so, can you outline the differences in your offers?

    I have the option of using local/out of state, but I always assumed local would be better for bounceback.
    About two years ago I switched a few cards to see if out of state was better. I let it go for 6 months. My offers were horrible compared to local. They were sending me 900-1200 in FP for local. For out of state they were sending me 3 day rooms with 40 dollar comp and 40 dollarfrer play. I switched all to local and haven't tried again with out of state with that company.

    The Golden Nugget sends great mail for out of state but that place is very tricky in what you have to play and they won't tolerate you just picking up free play and not playing a substantial amount.
    Last edited by monet; 09-10-2018 at 12:28 PM.

  19. #59
    It seems they got scarred and cut the 6x multiplying points on Monday thru Thursday... Chickens!!

  20. #60
    When I signed up at Stations I used a California driver license and was specifically told that offers would be better with a local address. They accepted my local address even with my California license.

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