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  1. #1
    Hello, everyone.

    I've been scarce for awhile, due to various health issues.

    While I am not yet better, I will be making more appearances on this forum going forward.

    I do not have any plans to shut it down.

    For the moment, I am taking some time away from gambling, in order to lower my stress level. I may return to gambling once I get this under control.

    In the meantime, I have a general question for everyone here:

    What experience do you have with caffeine withdrawal?

    I don't mean if you miss your morning coffee.

    I'm asking if any of you have tried quitting caffeine cold turkey, and what symptoms you got from that. I believe that might currently be part of the various problems I'm facing. I'd like to hear from the rest of you.

    Not looking for caffeine quitting advice (I already did it for 3 weeks, cold turkey), but rather what symptoms you had when you did it.
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  2. #2
    Welcome back and I hope good health returns. I would have said we all hope your good health returns but the trolls have criticized me for saying "we."

    Many years ago (1980s) I was a very heavy coffee drinker. Now I rarely have more than two cups a year. I'll need rib eye and cheesecake to require coffee.

    My withdrawal symptoms were headaches. The headaches were minor but they were real. And they went away in just a few weeks.

    Actually coffee has some health benefits. Have you been told to stop?

    During one of my hospital stays in February thru April my blood tests showed a minor problem which was traced to my daily drinking of cranberry juice. Who knew cranberry juice could hurt you? I switched to apple juice.

    Again welcome back. You're needed here.

  3. #3
    Thanks, Alan.

    I know you have been through a lot of things health-wise (some very scary), and I have always admired how you got through it and are living a mostly healthy/normal life. I actually thought of you when going through my own health problems, though none are similar to any of yours.

    This is particularly frustrating to me because I'm not old. I'm only 46, and I have a son who is just 7. I should be many years away from debilitating health issues. But here I am.

    I don't drink coffee. My caffeine intake came from a combination of soda and Excedrin pills. The Excedrin pills were consumed almost daily due to tension headaches, and were 65mg of caffeine each. Some days I took 4, most days I took 2, and sometimes I'd take zero. The sodas and the pills added up to an average of about 200mg of caffeine per day. While that isn't incredibly high, it's still substantial enough to cause withdrawal, given the fact that I have been doing it for decades.

    I quit the caffeine abruptly due to one of my conditions (LPR -- a form of reflux which is very difficult to cure). I didn't bother considering that I might get caffeine withdrawal. I only realized it today, and still am not sure that's what I experienced. But very shortly after quitting the caffeine (3 weeks ago), I came down with a bunch of new debilitating mental/physical symptoms which I think might be from the withdrawal. I previously blamed it on other factors.

    I took 100mg of caffeine today (first time touching it in 3 weeks), and saw some improvement, though it's far too early to draw such conclusions. Could even be the placebo effect.

    But I do know caffeine withdrawal is a very real thing.

    Your experience was more typical. Headaches and fatigue are the most common caffeine withdrawal symptoms, and as you said, they vanish within weeks (usually by the two week mark).

    However, there has been some research showing that some people's brains actually get modified over time by caffeine, and that abrupt cessation of caffeine intake can screw up serotonin levels and other important parts of brain chemistry. This can result in all kinds of horrible mental and physical withdrawal symptoms which can last a very long time.

    So I'd like to hear others' experiences regarding abrupt caffeine withdrawal.

    Every person is different. For example, prior to quitting caffeine, it seemed to be nothing but a positive for me. It didn't prevent me from sleeping, didn't make me jittery, and it helped cure tension headaches. I could ingest a lot of caffeine and go right to sleep with no issue. Other people will have sleeping problems if they ingest caffeine even 8 hours before bedtime.

    I only quit caffeine because it might have been worsening my LPR problem. I just think I did it too abruptly, and it caused me all kinds of terrible new problems.

    We shall see.
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  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Hello, everyone.

    I've been scarce for awhile, due to various health issues.

    While I am not yet better, I will be making more appearances on this forum going forward.

    I do not have any plans to shut it down.

    For the moment, I am taking some time away from gambling, in order to lower my stress level. I may return to gambling once I get this under control.

    In the meantime, I have a general question for everyone here:

    What experience do you have with caffeine withdrawal?

    I don't mean if you miss your morning coffee.

    I'm asking if any of you have tried quitting caffeine cold turkey, and what symptoms you got from that. I believe that might currently be part of the various problems I'm facing. I'd like to hear from the rest of you.

    Not looking for caffeine quitting advice (I already did it for 3 weeks, cold turkey), but rather what symptoms you had when you did it.
    I talked about quitting coffee and caffeine altogether in my juice fasting thread.
    I have done it a few times with horrible headaches for 3-5 days.
    This last time I had slight headaches for 2 days and after that it was gone.
    I was going to drink 10 ounces of coffee a day for the digestive/health benefits but after 4 days of Juicing Only, I lost the craving.
    Better to be caffeine free IMO. The benefits do not outweigh problems with coffee and caffeine.
    I read reports that Decaf is worse than Regular for your body.
    So I am coming up on 16 days now without any caffeine.
    After you get over the withdrawals, it is pretty clear sailing. It becomes a mind game from that point on.
    Most likely will be off it for the rest of my life.
    I drank plenty of all that garbage anyways... you can't buck the system forever.

    I seen you are trying to lose 21 pounds.
    I am down 25 pounds in 19 days now.
    It isn't for everyone but it is a way to lose weight fast.
    Also keeping up with nutrition without having to hit the gym.
    Another benefit is the break you give to your Digestive and Lymphatic Systems.
    Once you complete your fast/feast you can restructure what and how you eat.
    While you implement juicing and smoothies into your regiment.
    If you just go back to the same diet you will gain it all back.
    Last edited by monet; 09-08-2018 at 03:26 AM.

  5. #5
    money, I already lost 23 pounds, in 3 weeks. Unintentionally, as a result of this entire health mess. Yes, it coincidentally occurred just after I announced I was planning to lose weight.

    So you lost 25 pounds in 19 days, also having quit caffeine recently? Are you having any withdrawals?

    While headaches are the most common side effect for caffeine withdrawal, that's not what I had. I got stuff which was far, far worse. Provided that my theory is correct that caffeine withdrawal was driving a lot of this. We will see shortly.
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  6. #6
    Welcome back Dan and best of luck to you with your health going forward. At 46 you are at the age where things do tend to go down hill from here if you don't keep them in check.

    As bad as the effects of caffeine can be, if you had been drinking diet sodas the artificial sweeteners can be even worse. Like monet mentioned if you have not done so already some sort of a cleanse will help remove whatever toxins have been compromising your health. Another thing my wife and I started doing about 25 years ago when we were in our late 30's was start walking every day. Don't know if you do so already but it is the single most important thing that we do that has helped us stay in fairly decent health now that we are both near 60.

    I don't post much but will be following along hoping that you will get your health problems behind you and get your life back to normal.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Hello, everyone.

    I've been scarce for awhile, due to various health issues.

    While I am not yet better, I will be making more appearances on this forum going forward.

    I do not have any plans to shut it down.

    For the moment, I am taking some time away from gambling, in order to lower my stress level. I may return to gambling once I get this under control.

    In the meantime, I have a general question for everyone here:

    What experience do you have with caffeine withdrawal?

    I don't mean if you miss your morning coffee.

    I'm asking if any of you have tried quitting caffeine cold turkey, and what symptoms you got from that. I believe that might currently be part of the various problems I'm facing. I'd like to hear from the rest of you.

    Not looking for caffeine quitting advice (I already did it for 3 weeks, cold turkey), but rather what symptoms you had when you did it.
    Although I am not a coffee drinker, I was drinking a can of Coca Cola every day for awhile. When I stopped, cold turkey, I got migraines and nausea (from the bad migraines) for about 3 days.

  8. #8
    Hi Dan, glad you're back.
    I tried to quit coffee once.
    I got constipated.
    Apparently, coffee loosens everything up in the morning.
    If that happens to you I suggest you try decaf.
    Or maybe even try it anyway.
    It might "fool" your system into thinking you're still drinking coffee as if nothing has changed.
    please don't feed the trolls

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Hi Dan, glad you're back.
    I tried to quit coffee once.
    I got constipated.
    Apparently, coffee loosens everything up in the morning.
    If that happens to you I suggest you try decaf.
    Or maybe even try it anyway.
    It might "fool" your system into thinking you're still drinking coffee as if nothing has changed.
    Why does it have to be coffee?
    Decaf is most likely worse for you than regular.
    You can drink any hot beverage to get things loose in the morning.
    Anyone would be far better off learning how to make Ginger Water and you can drink that Hot.
    Ginger is really good for digestion and you can add lemon if you like which is also good for you.
    Too lazy to blend up some ginger and add water?
    Buy Herbal Tea and try not to buy the ones where they add citric acid.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Hi Dan, glad you're back.
    I tried to quit coffee once.
    I got constipated.
    Apparently, coffee loosens everything up in the morning.
    If that happens to you I suggest you try decaf.
    Or maybe even try it anyway.
    It might "fool" your system into thinking you're still drinking coffee as if nothing has changed.
    Why does it have to be coffee?
    Decaf is most likely worse for you than regular.
    You can drink any hot beverage to get things loose in the morning.
    Anyone would be far better off learning how to make Ginger Water and you can drink that Hot.
    Ginger is really good for digestion and you can add lemon if you like which is also good for you.
    Too lazy to blend up some ginger and add water?
    Buy Herbal Tea and try not to buy the ones where they add citric acid.
    Years ago I used to work summers in a produce department. Many early mornings I would come in feeling like shit from too much self indulgence the night before. An older coworker told me to chew on a piece on ginger. I would pare the skin off and chew on a piece and soon would feel much better. Ginger works and heals!

    Welcome back Dan. Take it slow, I’ll say a prayer for you.

  11. #11
    I wish you the best of life and health.

    Please let the owner of the site have first right of refusal if you do decide to give it up.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    Please let the owner of the site have first right of refusal if you do decide to give it up.
    I thought your old man transferred all indicia of ownership to Dan?
    What, Me Worry?

  13. #13
    Alan has said if he buys it back he will shut it down.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    Please let the owner of the site have first right of refusal if you do decide to give it up.
    I thought your old man transferred all indicia of ownership to Dan?
    Didn't have my permission. AFAIK my license still runs the software.

  15. #15
    Hey, you've got some leverage on your old man.

    Tell him you won't shut down the forum until he pays what he owes you.
    What, Me Worry?

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK View Post
    Please let the owner of the site have first right of refusal if you do decide to give it up.
    I thought your old man transferred all indicia of ownership to Dan?
    Didn't have my permission. AFAIK my license still runs the software.
    You're correct, it's on your license. Could have sprung for my own but I figured why bother, since the current one is perfectly good.

    Yes, if I were to decide to be done with this forum, I would offer it back to you/Alan. I would hope that it wouldn't be shut down if I did that, though.
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  17. #17
    Dan we would not shut it down and I assure you that your expert information will remain. Jason would manage the site. I don't need the headaches.

  18. #18
    I have no interest in shutting it down

  19. #19
    Anyone have any idea if Alan paid the kid any money back yet?

    Multiple sources say Alan lost well over $1000 Thursday at Red Rock.

    But the good news he earned $4.37 in Cash Back, 2 free buffets and got 2 Phone Numbers. The bad news is one died of old age by Saturday and the other already knew about him and gave him a local GA number.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    See you folks, no need to post here anymore. Take care RE, KJ and Mick!
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I don’t post here much but what the fuck, here goes.

    Monet hit it on the head. Congratulations you self admitted Piece of Shit.

    Agreed you are wasting your time with “Dan”. His word is worth about the same as any of ours. He is semi famous back in the heyday of poker when people like him were “hero’s “ for a couple years on ESPN. You know, like Gus Hanson who I met in a shitty $40+$15 game at O’Sheas in 09. No clue what his angle is here.

    With Singer, who I have no issue with, why give him credibility if you disagree with his claims. Anyone who is fighting with him over perceived internet winnings is wasting their time. Who the f cares if he did or didn’t?

    Alan, obviously his life is a mess. Again the only one who should care is his son and daughter. I assume the Screen Actors Guide he proudly talks about a being a member of has a good death benefit. Not being ignorant but let’s face it, it’s the only chance his kids have of getting paid. Assuming he hasn’t willed it to one or more his ex wives.

    Larry and V, brothers in debated arms. They are what they are. Accept them or don’t. I never believed they lied about who they are. They enjoy these forums like they do. Harmless until you let them get the best of you.

    KJ, always liked him and believed what he posted but damn he is a drama Queen on the forums. And I never understand why he even bothers with subjecting himself to the abuse he himself brings on.But again I appreciate the honesty he puts out there. And if anyone wants to bet against him, I’m on his side.

    And Kentry/ Tasha, congratulations for being one of the stupidest/ smartest posters ever. You obviously have an IQ slightly above idiot but you have found a way to screw with forums involving gambling across the net. From Slot Fanstics, to WoV to Dan’s Folly you have survived making a fool of admins. You make us all question our intelligence when you are an equal. “To be fair” you are a fucking idiot. Period.
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I can only assume you owe Alan something or stiffed him and have an obligation to him. Any decent person would tell him to get help. But you allow him to push his garbage.

    Singer I get, he amused you.
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I stop posting on this forum because Dan did something I never observed a forum owner do, allow a banned member back, Singer. I saw no legitimate reason for doing that and still don’t. And I only came here because of the opportunity to have discussions with a few members I enjoy that are no longer at WoV and one that never was as far as I know, RE.

    I think Dan allows garbage on here one can only assume in the name of growing the business? But I see nothing to believe he is a dishonest person, just someone who honestly doesn’t care about the forum.

    But the reason I’m posting this to for Alan, for whatever it’s worth. Simply, you need to stop gambling period. If a 10th of what you posted today is true, you are in a bad situation financially and obviously have a problem, or multiple problems. By your own admission your business is failing, yet you are on here arguing with people over nonsense.

    You seem to have a sales problem with your show. Then why the fuck are you not out there SELLING? It’s your business and you have to know better. You pound the pavement, and find a way to make it work every waking hour if you cared about it, paying your bills and your employees. You certainly shouldn’t be gambling or arguing on here or trying to find ways to beat the casinos.

    Face it, you failed as a gambler and sadly it appears you also are failing as a business owner, boss and maybe even as a father.

    No clue of the details of your deal with your son/ employee. Seems he trusted you to pay him the deal made with you. Again, period, you either pay your employees or lock the doors. But are you doing everything possible to keep the business open? Or are you just finding excuses and debating things that can’t be debated.

    But blaming others seems to be your MO, now including your son and daughter. As KJ said, maybe bitterness has always been behind your debate against APers. Don’t know you but this is sad stuff to be reading about anyone. It’s sucks your problems are now in the public eye and some are probably gloating over it.

    And then you are through all this still posting, debating the original topic of you thinking you found an “edge” on craps. Why the fuck are you anywhere near a casino or crabs table ????

    There are GA classes all over Vegas, find one or don’t, your call.
    Get off your ass and go make some sales tomorrow and try and save your business, or don’t, your call.
    Find a way to pay your obligations you made, or don’t.
    Stop posting here, or don’t.

    I hope you make the right choices Alan, you honestly can’t get much lower at this point.

    And V, if the stuff that came out today helps Alan get on the right path, it was well worth any embarrassment it caused him.
    Last edited by monet; 11-03-2018 at 07:23 PM.

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