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  1. #1
    Yes, I know this name was used by Kenny Uston. My meaning is a little different.

    Those that know me from Norm's Blackjack Forum and WoV, may remember a pretty popular thread on both sites, entitled "My 10 year, million dollar BJ plan". Having been on a monumental run the past month or so, today, I hit that million dollar mark in career blackjack winnings. It took 14 and half years. (more on that in a moment). I know this will fuel the haters, who will attack and challenge me. I don't care. This is less about bragging, as I will be accused of, and more about marking a milestone important to me.

    It's not about the money. A million dollars isn't some big amount of money any more. Surely members of this very site have achieved that mark, and more in the private world. And just as surely, some of the really good AP's here and elsewhere have topped this mark and probably in far less time. It doesn't set me for life or retirement, but I am 30 years away from retirement. It is just an important milestone for me, because I had that 10 year plan (that things worked out very different from).

    I want to clarify that this is just blackjack winnings. I actually toped the million dollar mark in total AP winnings several years ago. This includes winnings from machine play, contests and drawings won, hole-carding, the big six wheel and one other AP play that I am not going to mention. But when I made that 10 year plan back in 2004, I had no idea of these non-BJ plays. That original plan was about Blackjack card counting. And today, counting only my blackjack card counting winnings, I hit that number....and yes, I am proud of this.

    So obviously it took me considerably longer than that original plan. Four and a half years longer. I really didn't understand how slow the early years would be, while I was building my bankroll and how long I would be playing at that lower stakes level barely making ends meet. THIS part took longer than I anticipated.

    And what I am most proud of, is after 5 and a half years playing Atlantic City, most of that very low red chip level, almost as soon as I build a bankroll that allowed me to move up in stakes to green to black levels, Atlantic City basically shut me down, with bet restricting and half shoeing counter measures. That could have been a death blow to my career and goals, but it wasn't. I regrouped, came up with a new plan, which involved moving to Las Vegas and a much larger rotation of games and more importantly, implementing a plan and style of play, that would be better tolerated. And I am really proud of that and that is why this milestone is so important to me.

    I am sad that my partner wasn't here to share this moment with me, as he was with me during almost all of this run. I am also sad that circumstances, some my own doing, some other's doing....prevents me from sharing this experience at more legitimate AP type forums, where some of the members could better relate, some having achieved such milestones, others currently on their own journey. But it is, what it is! So I share it here, where the anti-APers and haters can attack and challenge. So have at it.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-11-2018 at 11:14 PM.

  2. #2
    Congratulations on your milestone.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Congratulations on your milestone.
    Thank you Alan.

    You know it is funny, back when I started my career and came up with this plan, just shy of legal age to gamble, I thought a million dollars was a lot of money. Like set for life kind of money. Of course it is not. But we are talking about a 20 year old who had $4300 to his name back then.

    Plus, I don't currently actually have a million dollars. My net worth is roughly half of the 1.2+ million that I have earned. The rest went to 14 years of life.

    So, while I am proud of this milestone, what it really means is I have to keep plugging away just like everyone else, for many more years. Who knows if there is many more years of BJ AP left. Hopefully. I know there is a few more years anyway.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Congratulations on your milestone.
    Thank you Alan.

    You know it is funny, back when I started my career and came up with this plan, just shy of legal age to gamble, I thought a million dollars was a lot of money. Like set for life kind of money. Of course it is not. But we are talking about a 20 year old who had $4300 to his name back then.

    Plus, I don't currently actually have a million dollars. My net worth is roughly half of the 1.2+ million that I have earned. The rest went to 14 years of life.

    So, while I am proud of this milestone, what it really means is I have to keep plugging away just like everyone else, for many more years. Who knows if there is many more years of BJ AP left. Hopefully. I know there is a few more years anyway.
    Congrats on hitting your goal kewJ. Now that you have accumulated some assets, if you invest somewhat wisely you may find that those assets will help you achieve another million faster than you may think.

    FAB

  5. #5
    If kew got a nickel from every anonymous character who's written about how they've "just done so well and won tons of money gambling" then he truly would be wealthy. That's why the BS meter immediately goes off once one of these people makes the claim. The first thing they say is "I don't care who believes me" and it's followed up by "and don't ask me to prove anything" thinking that will instantly mitigate the obvious.

    The sniff test says right here, from the various ongoing dubious kew rants, that none of his claims are true. These anonymous "AP's" who claim winning ways are a dime a dozen on the forums. Yet not a single one has ever been willing to prove any of their self-proclaimed prowess in any way. But oh yes....the wordy window dressing is there.

  6. #6
    Congrats to KewlJ. I believe him and hope he crosses the million dollar threshold only one more time.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    These anonymous "AP's" who claim winning ways are a dime a dozen on the forums. Yet not a single one has ever been willing to prove any of their self-proclaimed prowess in any way.
    The annual Blackjack Hall of Fame party in Las Vegas hosts around 100 guests, and the majority have won over $1 million lifetime from advantage play.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack_Hall_of_Fame

    Actually, I don't think Ed Thorp has won this much, because he quit gambling in the 1960's and started successful hedge funds. Don Johnson won $15 million in one year. Zeljko Ranogajec paid hundreds of millions (Australian dollars) on his gambling winnings. After playing on a team with Ken Uston, Blair Hull founded Hull Trading, got bought out by Goldman Sachs, and narrowly lost a 2004 U.S. Senate race to a newbie named Barak Obama. This stuff is public knowledge, and these guys all got their start in blackjack.

    Here is the kicker. These guys all played with each other, or friends of friends, splitting profit. So they know they are profitable. They proved it to their teammates, and many partners along the way. Needless to say, most of the party guests are unwelcome at certain casino games. Some have been barred or had benefits restricted at machine play, including Robert Singer's inspirational namesake Bob Dancer. I'd say these guys have proven their prowess.

    So Mr. Singer, how many casinos have banned you? After selling books for years, when are you going to show your records?

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    Congrats to KewlJ. I believe him and hope he crosses the million dollar threshold only one more time.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    These anonymous "AP's" who claim winning ways are a dime a dozen on the forums. Yet not a single one has ever been willing to prove any of their self-proclaimed prowess in any way.
    The annual Blackjack Hall of Fame party in Las Vegas hosts around 100 guests, and the majority have won over $1 million lifetime from advantage play.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack_Hall_of_Fame

    Actually, I don't think Ed Thorp has won this much, because he quit gambling in the 1960's and started successful hedge funds. Don Johnson won $15 million in one year. Zeljko Ranogajec paid hundreds of millions (Australian dollars) on his gambling winnings. After playing on a team with Ken Uston, Blair Hull founded Hull Trading, got bought out by Goldman Sachs, and narrowly lost a 2004 U.S. Senate race to a newbie named Barak Obama. This stuff is public knowledge, and these guys all got their start in blackjack.

    Here is the kicker. These guys all played with each other, or friends of friends, splitting profit. So they know they are profitable. They proved it to their teammates, and many partners along the way. Needless to say, most of the party guests are unwelcome at certain casino games. Some have been barred or had benefits restricted at machine play, including Robert Singer's inspirational namesake Bob Dancer. I'd say these guys have proven their prowess.

    So Mr. Singer, how many casinos have banned you? After selling books for years, when are you going to show your records?
    That's basically and technically an empty endorsement about who's won anything. You "think, believe, feel" that these people have proven their claims because they team up and talk highly of one another? Get real.

    Other t Hf an that, glad you asked. I'm currently banned from playing at Eldorado, South Point (you know, the place that welcomes Dancer in with open arms, year after year after year....and PAYS him to hold a class in the room where I hit so many royals that it got me tossed?). Tropicana Express in Laughlin. And in the past so many years I've been barred from playing at Harrahs LV, Bellagio, Silverton, for a short period at Palms (after I got their Legends card) and Casino Fandango.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    Congrats to KewlJ. I believe him and hope he crosses the million dollar threshold only one more time.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    These anonymous "AP's" who claim winning ways are a dime a dozen on the forums. Yet not a single one has ever been willing to prove any of their self-proclaimed prowess in any way.
    The annual Blackjack Hall of Fame party in Las Vegas hosts around 100 guests, and the majority have won over $1 million lifetime from advantage play.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack_Hall_of_Fame

    Actually, I don't think Ed Thorp has won this much, because he quit gambling in the 1960's and started successful hedge funds. Don Johnson won $15 million in one year. Zeljko Ranogajec paid hundreds of millions (Australian dollars) on his gambling winnings. After playing on a team with Ken Uston, Blair Hull founded Hull Trading, got bought out by Goldman Sachs, and narrowly lost a 2004 U.S. Senate race to a newbie named Barak Obama. This stuff is public knowledge, and these guys all got their start in blackjack.

    Here is the kicker. These guys all played with each other, or friends of friends, splitting profit. So they know they are profitable. They proved it to their teammates, and many partners along the way. Needless to say, most of the party guests are unwelcome at certain casino games. Some have been barred or had benefits restricted at machine play, including Robert Singer's inspirational namesake Bob Dancer. I'd say these guys have proven their prowess.

    So Mr. Singer, how many casinos have banned you? After selling books for years, when are you going to show your records?
    That's basically and technically an empty endorsement about who's won anything. You "think, believe, feel" that these people have proven their claims because they team up and talk highly of one another? Get real.

    Other t Hf an that, glad you asked. I'm currently banned from playing at Eldorado, South Point (you know, the place that welcomes Dancer in with open arms, year after year after year....and PAYS him to hold a class in the room where I hit so many royals that it got me tossed?). Tropicana Express in Laughlin. And in the past so many years I've been barred from playing at Harrahs LV, Bellagio, Silverton, for a short period at Palms (after I got their Legends card) and Casino Fandango.

    LOL -- I was "banned from playing" at Suncoast and Circus-Circus (in fact, asked to leave) because the woman I was with was dressed rather hotly. Of course, at Circus-Circus, it was Halloween and she was dressed as a Fembot from Austin Powers and security just didn't get it, although everybody in the sports book did. Anyway, my point is that saying one is "banned from playing" could be for any number of reasons -- being a loudmouth, owing markers, calling Asians "noodle slurpers," or hanging out with really hot women. I'm sure Argentino will be forthcoming with his letters of disavowal from the various casinos, because they will spell out the rationales for his bannings. And he'll be really pleased to prove to everybody that he's kept the eight letters listed in the above post.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    Congrats to KewlJ. I believe him and hope he crosses the million dollar threshold only one more time.



    The annual Blackjack Hall of Fame party in Las Vegas hosts around 100 guests, and the majority have won over $1 million lifetime from advantage play.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack_Hall_of_Fame

    Actually, I don't think Ed Thorp has won this much, because he quit gambling in the 1960's and started successful hedge funds. Don Johnson won $15 million in one year. Zeljko Ranogajec paid hundreds of millions (Australian dollars) on his gambling winnings. After playing on a team with Ken Uston, Blair Hull founded Hull Trading, got bought out by Goldman Sachs, and narrowly lost a 2004 U.S. Senate race to a newbie named Barak Obama. This stuff is public knowledge, and these guys all got their start in blackjack.

    Here is the kicker. These guys all played with each other, or friends of friends, splitting profit. So they know they are profitable. They proved it to their teammates, and many partners along the way. Needless to say, most of the party guests are unwelcome at certain casino games. Some have been barred or had benefits restricted at machine play, including Robert Singer's inspirational namesake Bob Dancer. I'd say these guys have proven their prowess.

    So Mr. Singer, how many casinos have banned you? After selling books for years, when are you going to show your records?
    That's basically and technically an empty endorsement about who's won anything. You "think, believe, feel" that these people have proven their claims because they team up and talk highly of one another? Get real.

    Other t Hf an that, glad you asked. I'm currently banned from playing at Eldorado, South Point (you know, the place that welcomes Dancer in with open arms, year after year after year....and PAYS him to hold a class in the room where I hit so many royals that it got me tossed?). Tropicana Express in Laughlin. And in the past so many years I've been barred from playing at Harrahs LV, Bellagio, Silverton, for a short period at Palms (after I got their Legends card) and Casino Fandango.

    LOL -- I was "banned from playing" at Suncoast and Circus-Circus (in fact, asked to leave) because the woman I was with was dressed rather hotly. Of course, at Circus-Circus, it was Halloween and she was dressed as a Fembot from Austin Powers and security just didn't get it, although everybody in the sports book did. Anyway, my point is that saying one is "banned from playing" could be for any number of reasons -- being a loudmouth, owing markers, calling Asians "noodle slurpers," or hanging out with really hot women. I'm sure Argentino will be forthcoming with his letters of disavowal from the various casinos, because they will spell out the rationales for his bannings. And he'll be really pleased to prove to everybody that he's kept the eight letters listed in the above post.
    That's right. Rob demands proof. So he should have no problem putting up proof of his consistent winning, along with proof of his being barred and the reasons for it.

    Rob, quit pissing and moaning about everyone else and LEAD BY EXAMPLE
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You "think, believe, feel" that these people have proven their claims because they team up and talk highly of one another?
    I have personal knowledge of some advantage play winnings, and my trusted advantage play friends have knowledge of others. The people I mentioned are objectively worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They all started winning with card counting like KewlJ.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You "think, believe, feel" that these people have proven their claims because they team up and talk highly of one another?
    I have personal knowledge of some advantage play winnings, and my trusted advantage play friends have knowledge of others. The people I mentioned are objectively worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They all started winning with card counting like KewlJ.
    You don't know anything about anyone but yourself, and the fact that you're hiding under anonymity makes anything you claim on the internet completely suspect.

    You people who like to give the perception that "you're worth millions and you know other 'ap's' who are worth hundreds of millions" are the definition of why forums exist. There's only a handful of successful gamblers in that category worldwide, and you and your "associates" ain't part of it.

    In fact, the vast majority of you people who make these anonymous claims have nothing but a troubled future ahead. That's why bozos like kew make up stories of winning at BJ at a time when no one is allowed to count cards. Gamblers live for today, and he knows he'll receive relevance from other failures like you TODAY when he creates this impressive image of himself to other anonymous characters on forums. He's simply too lazy and too stupid to work.

    Wise up.

  12. #12
    So typical of welfare rob to forget that KJ once challenged him to a bet over income and robbie boy ran for the hills.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    So typical of welfare rob to forget that KJ once challenged him to a bet over income and robbie boy ran for the hills.
    I see no sense in wasting any more time with this person, or the one or two others that support him that are completely detached from reality.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    So typical of welfare rob to forget that KJ once challenged him to a bet over income and robbie boy ran for the hills.
    I see no sense in wasting any more time with this person, or the one or two others that support him that are completely detached from reality.
    I don't feel detached from reality. All I ever asked was the number of decks now played since it's been years since I even tried blackjack. I even studied a book popular at that time on how to win counting cards, etc. I was only curious as to how it was possible now as they play more than the usual decks and can reshuffle at any given time. At that time I was pretty efficient and even broke the banker at our golf course game nite.(I know-nothing spectacular.) I just happen to be particularly fond of the artt strategy as it makes my freeplay last longer and usually gives me enough left over to pay for gas, pick up free meals, and sometimes a good win.

  15. #15
    Kew making up that story is not that far from what mickey constantly does. Neither has any kind of real life to speak of, so they craft some sort of anonymous virtual existence for the internet.

    Here's a flash: if any if these anonymous "AP's" truly didn't "care" if anyone believes them or not, they wouldn't be writing about it in the first place. What kew did here amounts to nothing more than another of his "Look at Me!" "Look at Me!" rants, in an effort to gain relevance and respect, because he knows he gets none of that, really, from anybody anywhere other than from the mercy-folks.

    Wise up.

  16. #16
    "Look at me!!! Look at me!!! I run marty's on sucker video poker games and win!!!! Look at me!!! Look at me!!!"
    Rob Singer

    tick....tock....tick....tock. Not much time left, chickenshit rob.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    It's not about the money... It is just an important milestone for me, because I had that 10 year plan (that things worked out very different from).
    :
    Oh, c'mon.

    It's ALL about the money.

    You don't count cards for the intrinsic pleasure of doing so, nor to flatter your ego: you do it to earn your daily bread.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    It's not about the money... It is just an important milestone for me, because I had that 10 year plan (that things worked out very different from).
    :
    Oh, c'mon.

    It's ALL about the money.

    You don't count cards for the intrinsic pleasure of doing so, nor to flatter your ego: you do it to earn your daily bread.
    True....it IS about the money Mr V. Let me re-phrase. I was trying to convey that THIS milestone isn't about the money. No real difference from Today waking up having earned a million dollars in my career playing blackjack and last week, waking up having earned 980 some thousand. That milestone doesn't mean much in THAT sense, but it does have meaning to me, particularly because I set that as a goal, 14 and a half years ago and while the journey to get here, went quite a bit different than I planned or envisioned, I still made it.

    For a lot of AP at my level it really isn't about the money though. Almost all other AP's, once they are playing a level making upper 5 figures to 6 figures a year, could well be earning more doing something else. I think I am the exception here. With no college degree and having left a low level retail job at 20 years old to pursue this career, if I was not an AP, I think my best case scenario would be that I was some sort of lower level management in retail somewhere, probably making 30-40 grand. I don't even know? So financially, I think I am doing as best I can, doing what I am doing.

    I guess now that I have a little money, I could go into some sort of business for myself and if successful, make decent money. But that is probably even a much greater risk than even what I am doing now as an AP.

  19. #19
    Congratulations on your skills. Congratulations on having the patience to use your skills in a real environment for real results.

    Most important, congratulations on winning.

  20. #20
    I am setting the over/under at 88 months for the next million.

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