Million Dollar Blackjack

[redietz]

Rob I honestly don't understand this attack on kewlj. He really hasnt said anything that's unreasonable.

He's not reporting a million dollar win in one year. Let's say he's played a total of 15 years which would mean average winnings of about $65,000. I think that's reasonable.

I've met career cash game poker players who average $200 a day and that's about $50,000 a year.

I've even met players at Red Rock who leave the craps table anytime they are ahead just $100 for the day. And what's frustrating is that they will take down their bets even when the shooter is still rolling and color up, and that's against the etiquette of craps.

You, Rob, have claimed annual profits of $100,000 a year.

So why isn't kewlj's report realistic?

Rob is so invested in the belief that AP's are failures that he can't allow himself to accept even one person making a living in gambling. His whole world will fall apart if he ever accepts the truth so he can't. A sad, pathetic figure. And none of his "legions of students" have even nominated him for the Video Poker Hall of Fame. I don't think phantoms can make nominations.

They're not phantoms, mickey -- although the phrase "phantom students" does seem vaguely familiar, if you know what I mean. They're not phantoms. They're dead. The success was just too much for them. You know how lottery winners always have tales of woe? Well, the Argentino students do better than that. They just win and win and win. It becomes too easy. Takes away life's meanings. So they off themselves. It's a shame, really.

And it's a perfectly logical explanation for why there are never any students singing Argentino's praises. Poor Rob, attending all those funerals. I feel badly for him.

[kewlJ]

You know, I'm a little disappointed in Argentino here. My girlfriend did 20 minutes of research on "Kim Lee," and he is not anonymous. Of course, my girlfriend knows where and how to look. Kim Lee has more credibility than pretty much everyone else on this forum combined, me included. I guess some people, Argentino and the local intrepid reporter, for example, just don't know how to look. Or they don't know who to call.

I'm a little disappointed. Now I realize that Argentino's thinking I was someone else was just his incompetence.

When Kim Lee arrived at this site, I tried to give a little background on who he was and the level of success that he has achieved in the gambling/AP world. It is hard to do that because of the anonymity that successful AP's MUST play under in this era, so crediting someone like Kim Lee is a balancing act. I will say again, that he did some things that were very outside the box type thinking that yielded great success for him.

It is a shame that Singer and the hater's on this site are allowed to attempt to drive away such successful players as they have done time and time again. As long as that is allowed to occur, this site can not possibly grow to anything other than it currently is. A group of AP haters always trying to discredit the few AP's that are willing to bother with this site.

[jbjb]

Let them try and discredit us. Who are they trying to convince? If the suckers fall for their schtic, so be it. We need these losing ploppies in the casinos.

[Moses]

Alan. Sorry to hear of your medical challenges. My lady is deeply involved in healthcare. Man, the stories I've witnessed and she could tell. It provides a whole different perspective.

"Irrational Exuberance." Those were the two words of Alan Greenspan that lead us to financial security. The market was volatile back then. But also quite predictable. Or maybe I was just alot smarter. I wonder what he thinks about IR today? lol

KJ. I'm curious. You used the term AP haters. What does an APs success, true or not true, have to do with my job at hand? I mean, I suppose I could tell you about all the money I made in sports. But would it matter?

[kewlJ]

Let them try and discredit us. Who are they trying to convince? If the suckers fall for their schtic, so be it. We need these losing ploppies in the casinos.

It is a two step process. Guy's like Singer, and there are always 1 or 2 on every site, try to elevate themselves and their fantastical, ridiculous, mathematically impossible claims, by tearing down legitimately successful players, using mathematical proven techniques to gain and play with an advantage.

Whether it is progressive betting systems, stop limits, or magical "super duper" blackjack counts....non of which work, these frauds hellbent on misleading others, must tear down those that successfully play with an advantage, to "sell" their nonsense. The narrative is always that you can't win by these proven mathematical techniques, instead you need my magical potions, smoke and mirrors and probably most oddly, the machines telepathically communicating to you, in order to win. It's always just fantasyland "hogwash". And always at the price of discrediting legitimate mathematical techniques.


And before anyone issues the defense that some of these frauds aren't actually "selling" their systems, counts or hocus pocus for money. The reference is that they are "selling" or pushing a complete load of crap, for whatever reason. It may not be that they are actually selling anything.

[Moses]

Let them try and discredit us. Who are they trying to convince? If the suckers fall for their schtic, so be it. We need these losing ploppies in the casinos.

Whether it is progressive betting systems, stop limits, or magical "super duper" blackjack counts....non of which work, these frauds hellbent on misleading others, must tear down those that successfully play with an advantage, to "sell" their nonsense. The narrative is always that you can't win by these proven mathematical techniques, instead you need my magical potions, smoke and mirrors and probably most oddly, the machines telepathically communicating to you, in order to win. It's always just fantasyland "hogwash". And always at the price of discrediting legitimate mathematical techniques.

And before anyone issues the defense that some of these frauds aren't actually "selling" their systems, counts or hocus pocus for money. The reference is that they are "selling" or pushing a complete load of crap, for whatever reason. It may not be that they are actually selling anything.

My desire is to find value in these forums. That one little thing I can add to my game. I'm really not sure if the math will play out in the average players lifetime. Super Duper? What you see is what you get is my focus. In other words, what's played and what remain and what the hell am I going to do about it. My playbook would be like running the veer in football. It's like novacaine. Just give it a little time and it WILL work. Problem is, we work in parameters of "little time" because our opponent wins by forfeit.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj's flaw is calling anyone who questions the claims of a so-called AP an "AP hater." I don't hate APs but when someone claims they have a $500 an hour play I want them to substantiate it. Otherwise the next "AP" is going to claim he has a $1000 an hour play.

The problem with an anonymous forum is that there are no checks and balances.

[jbjb]

Kewlj's flaw is calling anyone who questions the claims of a so-called AP an "AP hater." I don't hate APs but when someone claims they have a $500 an hour play I want them to substantiate it. Otherwise the next "AP" is going to claim he has a $1000 an hour play.

The problem with an anonymous forum is that there are no checks and balances.

I don't think you're an "AP hater." Maybe not understanding most AP plays, but definitely not a hater.

[Moses]

Kewlj's flaw is calling anyone who questions the claims of a so-called AP an "AP hater." I don't hate APs but when someone claims they have a $500 an hour play I want them to substantiate it. Otherwise the next "AP" is going to claim he has a $1000 an hour play.

The problem with an anonymous forum is that there are no checks and balances.

Alan. I think it's important not to let stuff get in a persons head. For instance, suppose you won $2,000 this weekend on football. But I claim to have made $70k last year. Does that make your accomplishment seem less significant? Well, yes it would. But, it has "nothing" to do whatsoever with this weeks upcoming games.

I'm tickled pink Kim Lee has had a tremendous blackjack career. Perhaps it's as easy and effortless as they make it sound. But it isn't that way for me. It's WORK. So I can't get down by thinking less will get me more... or I will get more or less nothing.

[Alan Mendelson]

Hold on Moses. There's nothing unusual about someone winning $2,000 on sports bets. I'm talking about people claiming they have $500 an hour plays on certain slot machines and promotions. First of all promotions like that are advertised and for the "APs" refusing to identify where they are is just BS. And when pressed it often turns out these plays were in the past but they are discussed as if they are going on now.

In other words there are a lot of loose claims.

Questioning those claims doesn't mean anyone is an AP Hater.

[redietz]

Hold on Moses. There's nothing unusual about someone winning $2,000 on sports bets. I'm talking about people claiming they have $500 an hour plays on certain slot machines and promotions. First of all promotions like that are advertised and for the "APs" refusing to identify where they are is just BS. And when pressed it often turns out these plays were in the past but they are discussed as if they are going on now.

In other words there are a lot of loose claims.

Questioning those claims doesn't mean anyone is an AP Hater.

Yeah, and there's a lot of ridiculous loose claims that don't get examined a whit by you. And there's a lot of evidence for AP claims that gets ignored by you. So the question isn't whether you should be questioning AP claims. The question is why you choose to stay silent regarding some really far fetched claims, and why you don't lift a finger to check sources with more expertise than you regarding non far fetched claims. Your entire self presentation on these topics is a joke. You're a completely biased, agenda-driven poster posing as some neutral logic-driven ex-reporter. Your actions on this forum would get you flunked in any college journalism class.

[Moses]

Alan. I was using the sportsbet analogy because that's is where one hears the majority of boasting live and in person. I tend to take those guys with a grain of salt. But sometimes I wonder why. It's as if they are getting into their own head and physching themselves out.

Rarely, do I see someone waltzing out of poker room boasting of winning high stakes. Or the guy getting a great discount on hookers. One guy bought in at a $25 table for $90. Who does that? Then walks up a short time later and claimed he'd just lost $1,500. But yet he makes 6 figures annually? You'd think he could at least afford to wash his T shirt every once in awhile.

[Alan Mendelson]

Redietz I have answered every one of your self centered, agenda driven questions every time.

Let's call a spade a spade. You don't like Rob Singer and you blame me. Well I'm sorry but I don't control Rob Singer.

Yes I reported on Rob's "special plays" but I don't use them, support them or endorse them. I don't have to run to university professors like you tell me to because Rob even admits his special plays are at a mathematical disadvantage.

You are a troll. Leave me alone.

If you don't like Rob Singer's posts complain to the forum owner and moderator. Not me. I can't delete Rob's posts just like I can't delete your posts.

I am not your personal investigative reporter. Now cry to someone else and leave me alone.

[Rob.Singer]

Not surprising that my online dating profile isn't drawing much interest, hun. .

In TV most careers are over at 50, for example.

KewlJ could learn poker, drive Uber, or find other part-time occupations.

Now THERE'S a fine testament from one anonymous hack to another: get a slug job like an Uber driver to supplement the welfare, all because he's too lazy and unskilled to get a real job.

[jbjb]

In TV most careers are over at 50, for example.

KewlJ could learn poker, drive Uber, or find other part-time occupations.

Now THERE'S a fine testament from one anonymous hack to another: get a slug job like an Uber driver to supplement the welfare, all because he's too lazy and unskilled to get a real job.

LMAO at this SKILLESS idiot hack talking trash.

[Alan Mendelson]

Hold on a second jbjb. Rob did have a real career even if you don't like his gambling.

[Rob.Singer]

You know, I'm a little disappointed in Argentino here. My girlfriend did 20 minutes of research on "Kim Lee," and he is not anonymous. Of course, my girlfriend knows where and how to look. Kim Lee has more credibility than pretty much everyone else on this forum combined, me included. I guess some people, Argentino and the local intrepid reporter, for example, just don't know how to look. Or they don't know who to call.

I'm a little disappointed. Now I realize that Argentino's thinking I was someone else was just his incompetence.

When Kim Lee arrived at this site, I tried to give a little background on who he was and the level of success that he has achieved in the gambling/AP world. It is hard to do that because of the anonymity that successful AP's MUST play under in this era, so crediting someone like Kim Lee is a balancing act. I will say again, that he did some things that were very outside the box type thinking that yielded great success for him.

It is a shame that Singer and the hater's on this site are allowed to attempt to drive away such successful players as they have done time and time again. As long as that is allowed to occur, this site can not possibly grow to anything other than it currently is. A group of AP haters always trying to discredit the few AP's that are willing to bother with this site.

Tough to determine who the bigger liar or idiot is here: kew, red, or this Kim Lee character. Three anonymous stooges who all claim gambling success--something every anonymous clown does on forums. Kew is so smitten with this anonymous forum stuff that he actually believes the bs he spews about himself. And red, look up Kim Lee. The first thing you get is an Asian model. Then if you include blackjack into the search you get nothing but one anonymous "AP" boasting about success to another, on and on, on multiple forums. Big whoop. But I guess to you, another anonymous coward, that's pure gold in your world.

Wise up people....and stop getting offended that you can't pass your bs claims of "ap gambling success" off here like you've been doing for better self-perception for years, on WoV, bj21 etc. Don't expect anyone to buy your claims of winning with no proof, no name, and no locations where this magic winning can be done. We all know it isn't and it can't. That's why you people use anonymous names. Snowflake safety.

[MisterV]

Hold on a second jbjb. Rob did have a real career even if you don't like his gambling.

How do you KNOW that, alan?

I'm not saying he did or didn't, only that "I don't know."

What proof did Mr. Singer/Argentino show you to establish that his claimed employment was not just a fiction?

Hopefully it was more than you merely taking his word for it.

[redietz]

You know, I'm a little disappointed in Argentino here. My girlfriend did 20 minutes of research on "Kim Lee," and he is not anonymous. Of course, my girlfriend knows where and how to look. Kim Lee has more credibility than pretty much everyone else on this forum combined, me included. I guess some people, Argentino and the local intrepid reporter, for example, just don't know how to look. Or they don't know who to call.

I'm a little disappointed. Now I realize that Argentino's thinking I was someone else was just his incompetence.

When Kim Lee arrived at this site, I tried to give a little background on who he was and the level of success that he has achieved in the gambling/AP world. It is hard to do that because of the anonymity that successful AP's MUST play under in this era, so crediting someone like Kim Lee is a balancing act. I will say again, that he did some things that were very outside the box type thinking that yielded great success for him.

It is a shame that Singer and the hater's on this site are allowed to attempt to drive away such successful players as they have done time and time again. As long as that is allowed to occur, this site can not possibly grow to anything other than it currently is. A group of AP haters always trying to discredit the few AP's that are willing to bother with this site.

Tough to determine who the bigger liar or idiot is here: kew, red, or this Kim Lee character. Three anonymous stooges who all claim gambling success--something every anonymous clown does on forums. Kew is so smitten with this anonymous forum stuff that he actually believes the bs he spews about himself. And red, look up Kim Lee. The first thing you get is an Asian model. Then if you include blackjack into the search you get nothing but one anonymous "AP" boasting about success to another, on and on, on multiple forums. Big whoop. But I guess to you, another anonymous coward, that's pure gold in your world.

Wise up people....and stop getting offended that you can't pass your bs claims of "ap gambling success" off here like you've been doing for better self-perception for years, on WoV, bj21 etc. Don't expect anyone to buy your claims of winning with no proof, no name, and no locations where this magic winning can be done. We all know it isn't and it can't. That's why you people use anonymous names. Snowflake safety.

You're having a hard time grasping this, Argentino. If you know where to look, Kim Lee is not anonymous. I guess you don't know where to look. Thirty-second google search all you can afford?

And lumping me in with anonymous folks is kind of silly, as my photo and byline are there for all to see in the Retro Road Trip thread on this very forum and at www.vegaswiseguys.com and elsewhere. I invited Mr. Mendelson to drop in at the Orange locale, and I invited you to meet me in LV. What was I going to do? Wear a mask?

You really are completely clueless with your fifth grade investigative techniques. You may want to consider hiring a professional. Have I mentioned my brother-in-law? He wrote "Serious Surveillance for the Private Investigator." He's retired, but if you offer him enough cash, he may be able to tell you that I'm me, and that Kim Lee is relatively famous.

[jbjb]

We all know that Singer is the biggest liar and idiot here. Just as Jerry Logan!