Video Poker Plays

[mickeycrimm]

Here's a nice one for starters. 9/6 Jacks Triple Meter Stand Alone Progressive. Royal .5%, SF .25%, Quads .25%. 100.72% with card plus any meter buildup when I get there. Not much meter buildup this time there.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Not much of an increase in pay to justify making "special plays." Great game to play though especially if it awards points per coin in like a normal machine then this game can become +EV very quickly. I don't feel like opening a program but off the top of my head, 10% added to the royal only adds like 0.01% to the return?

[monet]

That is a nice play MC. I wish I had something that soft to play at the dollar level around here.
Most plays like that in Vegas are at the Quarter Level and not many to choose from.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 coins adds .1% to the meter on the Royal.
A 4 of a Kind Progressive is pretty sweet.
Also a Straight Flush as well.
You can just play all day and night and never go broke.

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys don't understand that if you are playing at a 1% winner on a game like this it is worth 50 dollars an hour.
For most people that is a good hourly rate. Currently the Minimum Wage is set at $7.25 in the USA. It hasn't increased in 9 years since 2009.

[tableplay]

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys must be playing this:

[Alan Mendelson]

I have never seen a 9/6 Jacks game with any progressives of any kind. Of course it's a great play.

I would just hate to hit AAAA on it even if there was a small progressive on the payout. And unfortunately both Jason and I have played 9/6 Jacks and we hit AAAA and felt miserable doing it.

[RS__]

Mickey — how would you go about finding a “truer” value of the meters, if you plan on playing until you hit a royal and then stopping? Sure you’ll hit some SFs in between a RF and several 4oaks, but between the last SF & 4oak and end of the session, there’ll be meter move you won’t be able to capture, since you’re planning on quitting after hitting the RF. I don’t think there would be a sizable difference in this case in particular, but I can see how it could be substantial on something else (IE: Aces w/ 2-4 is a high cycle).


Sure, you can play it straight through, 24/7, non-stop, until you die. At least the game you posted. But if a game is a disadvantage at reset, you’re obviously not going to want to do that. This, you’re going to quit at some point, leaving meter $$$ out there.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey — how would you go about finding a “truer” value of the meters, if you plan on playing until you hit a royal and then stopping? Sure you’ll hit some SFs in between a RF and several 4oaks, but between the last SF & 4oak and end of the session, there’ll be meter move you won’t be able to capture, since you’re planning on quitting after hitting the RF. I don’t think there would be a sizable difference in this case in particular, but I can see how it could be substantial on something else (IE: Aces w/ 2-4 is a high cycle).


Sure, you can play it straight through, 24/7, non-stop, until you die. At least the game you posted. But if a game is a disadvantage at reset, you’re obviously not going to want to do that. This, you’re going to quit at some point, leaving meter $$$ out there.

I don't play much video poker anymore. There is more money in the vulturables at least on the circuit I run. The casino this game is in is on my circuit. I concentrate on the vulturables but use this game to bump the freeplay back up. It had fallen to 4 X 30. So I ran 12K in action to bump it back up.

I always like to find a bunch of meter buildup but this time though the meters were pretty low.

[Rob.Singer]

That is a nice play MC. I wish I had something that soft to play at the dollar level around here.
Most plays like that in Vegas are at the Quarter Level and not many to choose from.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 coins adds .1% to the meter on the Royal.
A 4 of a Kind Progressive is pretty sweet.
Also a Straight Flush as well.
You can just play all day and night and never go broke.

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys don't understand that if you are playing at a 1% winner on a game like this it is worth 50 dollars an hour.
For most people that is a good hourly rate. Currently the Minimum Wage is set at $7.25 in the USA. It hasn't increased in 9 years since 2009.

That's being shortsighted. The play isn't worth a thing unless the player quits with a profit. And ANY version of JoB is almost always a session loser unless a streak of quads or the royal pops up. So stop with the misleading "AP phantom bucks" nonsense. Anybody who has a real job is far better off than these slugs who collect food stamps, medicaid, welfare, and living assistance and call themselves "ap's" who scrape by with their pathetic living while making anonymous internet posts about how great their "winning" is.

[slingshot]

Someone help me here. I taught my wife to play to help with her mental disabiliy-she also plays bingo to help with her numbers/letters recognition. She would easily know to make this hold. So, is this an attempt to make fun of Rob's special plays, a supposed special play, or a supposed reason to play hour after hour to hit a Royal?

[MaxPen]

Anybody who has a real job is far better off than these slugs who collect food stamps, medicaid, welfare, and living assistance and call themselves "ap's" who scrape by with their pathetic living while making anonymous internet posts about how great their "winning" is.

It is hilarious observing you month after month projecting your receipt of government assistance onto others. The rhetoric always gets stronger the deeper into the month we go as you yearn for your next free loading injection.

[monet]

Mickey — how would you go about finding a “truer” value of the meters, if you plan on playing until you hit a royal and then stopping? Sure you’ll hit some SFs in between a RF and several 4oaks, but between the last SF & 4oak and end of the session, there’ll be meter move you won’t be able to capture, since you’re planning on quitting after hitting the RF. I don’t think there would be a sizable difference in this case in particular, but I can see how it could be substantial on something else (IE: Aces w/ 2-4 is a high cycle).


Sure, you can play it straight through, 24/7, non-stop, until you die. At least the game you posted. But if a game is a disadvantage at reset, you’re obviously not going to want to do that. This, you’re going to quit at some point, leaving meter $$$ out there.

This is such a long winded post about nothing.
Keep It Simple Stupid.
You play it when you have the edge.
It does not matter if you hit the Royal or Not.
If you hit a Royal but the Straight Flush is up enough to get over 100% Return you can keep playing it.
The 4 of a Kind Progressive is kinda a big deal.
We don't know what the mailers are or the points.
Either way it doesn't matter. You hammer it when you have the edge.
Plain and Simple.
When it dies the game is out of your rotation.
This is just something to keep adding to the basket.

[RS__]

Having an edge isn’t the only thing that matters. I don’t particularly care about the game mickey posted, as I said there wouldn’t be a sizable difference in that case.

[Rob.Singer]

Mickey — how would you go about finding a “truer” value of the meters, if you plan on playing until you hit a royal and then stopping? Sure you’ll hit some SFs in between a RF and several 4oaks, but between the last SF & 4oak and end of the session, there’ll be meter move you won’t be able to capture, since you’re planning on quitting after hitting the RF. I don’t think there would be a sizable difference in this case in particular, but I can see how it could be substantial on something else (IE: Aces w/ 2-4 is a high cycle).


Sure, you can play it straight through, 24/7, non-stop, until you die. At least the game you posted. But if a game is a disadvantage at reset, you’re obviously not going to want to do that. This, you’re going to quit at some point, leaving meter $$$ out there.

This is such a long winded post about nothing.
Keep It Simple Stupid.
You play it when you have the edge.
It does not matter if you hit the Royal or Not.
If you hit a Royal but the Straight Flush is up enough to get over 100% Return you can keep playing it.
The 4 of a Kind Progressive is kinda a big deal.
We don't know what the mailers are or the points.
Either way it doesn't matter. You hammer it when you have the edge.
Plain and Simple.
When it dies the game is out of your rotation.
This is just something to keep adding to the basket.

Again, very misleading and dangerous. The reason an ap would play this dumb game is because of the edge, and that edge is only there because of the value of the royal. Plus the other two progressives, when hit, worsen the overall EV.

Most people aren't going to hit that royal, which means the longer they play it the more they're expected to lose. And therein lies one of the most glaring hypocrisies of so-called "advantage play" when it comes to video poker. No one should be playing vp based on theory before they begin. It's HOW you play that matters, and no winning or strong player would EVER play JoB unless they're infatuated with the slot club fluff instead of winning money.

[Alan Mendelson]

I see nothing wrong with playing this game but I'd scream if I hit AAAA and there was no significant quad progressive.

[jbjb]

I see nothing wrong with playing this game but I'd scream if I hit AAAA and there was no significant quad progressive.

What is your fascination with four aces? Quads are quads. I'm not interested in these very rare high paying hands at the expense of higher paying common hands. #notworthit

[Alan Mendelson]

I see nothing wrong with playing this game but I'd scream if I hit AAAA and there was no significant quad progressive.

What is your fascination with four aces? Quads are quads. I'm not interested in these very rare high paying hands at the expense of higher paying common hands. #notworthit

It's just that hitting AAAA on Bonus Poker is worth 400 coins and 2222, 3333, 4444 are worth 200 coins. So it's quite frustrating when they show up on Jacks. Also both Jacks and Bonus pay double on two pair.

I know you don't see the point SLaPiNFuNK makes or the point I make or Rob's point either.

As I said I'd be very happy playing this game but hitting AAAA would make me scream.

[mickeycrimm]

I see nothing wrong with playing this game but I'd scream if I hit AAAA and there was no significant quad progressive.

What is your fascination with four aces? Quads are quads. I'm not interested in these very rare high paying hands at the expense of higher paying common hands. #notworthit

It's just that hitting AAAA on Bonus Poker is worth 400 coins and 2222, 3333, 4444 are worth 200 coins. So it's quite frustrating when they show up on Jacks. Also both Jacks and Bonus pay double on two pair.

I know you don't see the point SLaPiNFuNK makes or the point I make or Rob's point either.

As I said I'd be very happy playing this game but hitting AAAA would make me scream.

The compensaton for the extra money in certain quads in 8/5 Bonus is the FH reduced to 8 for 1 and the FL reduced to 5 for 1.

[mickeycrimm]

That is a nice play MC. I wish I had something that soft to play at the dollar level around here.
Most plays like that in Vegas are at the Quarter Level and not many to choose from.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 coins adds .1% to the meter on the Royal.
A 4 of a Kind Progressive is pretty sweet.
Also a Straight Flush as well.
You can just play all day and night and never go broke.

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys don't understand that if you are playing at a 1% winner on a game like this it is worth 50 dollars an hour.
For most people that is a good hourly rate. Currently the Minimum Wage is set at $7.25 in the USA. It hasn't increased in 9 years since 2009.

That's being shortsighted. The play isn't worth a thing unless the player quits with a profit. And ANY version of JoB is almost always a session loser unless a streak of quads or the royal pops up. So stop with the misleading "AP phantom bucks" nonsense. Anybody who has a real job is far better off than these slugs who collect food stamps, medicaid, welfare, and living assistance and call themselves "ap's" who scrape by with their pathetic living while making anonymous internet posts about how great their "winning" is.

Rob, you were doing fine until "these slugs who collect food stamps....." Once again you are attempting to derail a thread and you've even gotten one trollback so far. If you continue to derail the thread I'll report it to Dan and let him make the decision to ban you from this thread or not.

[Alan Mendelson]

The compensaton for the extra money in certain quads in 8/5 Bonus is the FH reduced to 8 for 1 and the FL reduced to 5 for 1.

But the bulk of the return for both Jacks and Bonus comes from two pair -- which is the same.

Don't get me wrong. This game you posted is a damn good game to play. I'm just saying if I play it I hope the quads come with 5s thru Ks.

[Alan Mendelson]

That is a nice play MC. I wish I had something that soft to play at the dollar level around here.
Most plays like that in Vegas are at the Quarter Level and not many to choose from.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 coins adds .1% to the meter on the Royal.
A 4 of a Kind Progressive is pretty sweet.
Also a Straight Flush as well.
You can just play all day and night and never go broke.

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys don't understand that if you are playing at a 1% winner on a game like this it is worth 50 dollars an hour.
For most people that is a good hourly rate. Currently the Minimum Wage is set at $7.25 in the USA. It hasn't increased in 9 years since 2009.

That's being shortsighted. The play isn't worth a thing unless the player quits with a profit. And ANY version of JoB is almost always a session loser unless a streak of quads or the royal pops up. So stop with the misleading "AP phantom bucks" nonsense. Anybody who has a real job is far better off than these slugs who collect food stamps, medicaid, welfare, and living assistance and call themselves "ap's" who scrape by with their pathetic living while making anonymous internet posts about how great their "winning" is.

Rob, you were doing fine until "these slugs who collect food stamps....." Once again you are attempting to derail a thread and you've even gotten one trollback so far. If you continue to derail the thread I'll report it to Dan and let him make the decision to ban you from this thread or not.

While you're at it have Dan block Axel for making comments about my family.