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  1. #121
    This bank is getting close to 100% flat.
    Currently at 99.88% Return.
    You could play it now and be over 100% when you count everything and add it up.
    You could wait and let them push it up more.
    Once it gets to 8000 coins or 4000 dollars you will have more competition.
    This is why I like to jump on it earlier.
    No matter what anyone says...
    You will never lose on this game in the long run starting at a 6000 Coin Royal.
    You will generate mail and eat for free.
    Depending on how fast you play you should make 6 to 8 dollars per hour in the long run.
    It gets better if you wait for the meter to move up but if you have nothing else to do...
    or you need to keep your play up this is a decent entry point.
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  2. #122
    Here is another play for you 9/6 Double Double Junkies.
    I know you are out there!
    Might as well play 10/6 dollars with the cut Straight Flush.
    Your Return on the Base Game is 99.95%
    MendleFunk will be in here saying that isn't +EV!!

    Whatever you all want to say or think is fine.
    Someone out there is reading that understands how you can make some money on this game.
    I play at 1200 hands per hour.
    When I play I usually play this game for 6 hours.
    That translates to 36,000 coin in.
    This is 4500 points. If you play slower you can shoot for 3000 to 4000 points.
    Let us say you can only get 3000 points in per session.
    You will not really want to play more than 6000 to 8000 points per month unless you have nothing better to do.
    Of course if you are going to risk playing on other players cards you can play more and switch them.
    So what does 3000 points or 24,000 coin in do for you?
    Will you win on a 99.95% game?
    I suppose not!? You should lose a nickle for every 100 dollars through the machine right?
    So that is 240 nickels right? 240 nickels is 12 dollars right?
    I am not good at math like MendleFunk either so if I am wrong... please let us know!?

    If you put in 3000 points you will earn 75 dollars in cash that you can take out immediately for Cash... not Free Play.
    You will also earn 150 dollars in comp. People say Comp isn't cash but people have to eat and that is 150 dollars in to go food or whatever.
    I will admit that it isn't equal to cash unless you are selling it which can be done but if not I would value it at half the rate of cash if you are eating with it.
    So to me that is worth 150 dollars per 6 hour session. In 6 hours you should be able to do better than 3000 points.
    If you want to shoot for 4000 points that translates to 100 in cash and 200 in comp.
    300 on 32,000 coin in so you do the math... is that .9%?
    You rather take off 100 on the comp because it isn't true value ok... so $200 on 32,000 coin in
    Don't forget 32k coin in should generate you 100 minimum for the month in FP as well.
    You want to find what number of coin in will max you out at 200 per month in free play.

    It will take some time to get speed if you are new. Concentrate on Accuracy. Speed will come later and naturally.
    Honestly, The Great and Powerful WoV or Wizard of Odds has people on his forum playing over 2000 hands per hour.
    He has a world record of it and keeps the challenge open.
    If players can play over 2000 hands per hour, shouldn't you be able to at least get in 1000 hands?

    I find this picture funny because I was on my last hand before I had to reload more cash.
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  3. #123
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I happen to agree with you that Ivey has a problem. I'd argue that, as with Stu Unger and T.J. Cloutier in the past, his issues arise because he refuses to stick to his area of expertise.

    I think you and others have problems with advantage players because they have the capability, which they use all of the time, to walk away from the action if they perceive it as a probable loser. Ivey appears, from afar, to lack that ability also.
    Why do you and others always conclude that if you’re not an alleged professional AP with the foresight of the probable outcome, means you have a gambling problem? Not everyone enters their golden years like it appears Alan M. did based on what he posts. My personal conclusion based on what he put out there is he is a degenerate problem gambler. I could be wrong. Many people could actually afford to gamble and treat it no different than any other hobby, vacation, or whatever.

    I never complained about RFB, airfares, or any other freebies the casinos offered or not. It made no difference what I was offered, since I was going to gamble and do what, when and how I wanted regardless what was free. You guys complain about getting free juice. I use to get a room with a loaded bar.

    I lost my taste for gambling entertainment in my old age yet, when I do occasionally go I still play and do whatever the hell I want. I actually enjoy watching my wife playing slot machines.

    Casinos weren’t built paying off AP’s. They were built offering great assortments of entertainment that could only be found there. Some of the best accommodations, along with foods prepared by famous chefs, shows, etc., combined with always the chance of even coming home with more money than you went there with made it always a fun visit and still does. Call us suckers if you want, but it's terrible you couldn't get to experience this type of relaxed lifestyle.

    Going to a casino only during certain times, maybe in disguise, playing certain ways to stay under the wire, having a driver to help you hop from one place to another, cheating whenever possible, playing with other people’s cards to gain additional freebies, dodging the IRS, the list is endless and why many people wouldn’t even imagine this being a way of life.

    Some AP’s might be more successful than others, but many people wouldn’t care for the grind even if they knew how. I actually have a house now closer than I ever been to casinos and only been there twice.

    Sorry for the interruption with logical conversation, so get back to your whose dick is bigger and lasts longer nonsense.

  4. #124
    Blackhole year after year I wrote I never had a profitable year gambling. No one questioned it because I was associated with Rob Singer. Even after posting photos of me with three $100k royals, two of which I got using only free play, no one ever questioned if I really had a losing year.

    So I ask you, if I had ever posted that I had a profitable year would anybody believe me because I'm associated with Rob?

    AxelWolf recently said if I posted win/loss statements from casinos they would be forgeries.

    It's so much easier to say I never had a profit. Look at what Rob goes thru -- a guy who routinely played VP at $125 per push of the button and easily could have won $100k a year without a single royal.

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Blackhole year after year I wrote I never had a profitable year gambling. No one questioned it because I was associated with Rob Singer. Even after posting photos of me with three $100k royals, two of which I got using only free play, no one ever questioned if I really had a losing year.

    So I ask you, if I had ever posted that I had a profitable year would anybody believe me because I'm associated with Rob?

    AxelWolf recently said if I posted win/loss statements from casinos they would be forgeries.

    It's so much easier to say I never had a profit. Look at what Rob goes thru -- a guy who routinely played VP at $125 per push of the button and easily could have won $100k a year without a single royal.
    I'd believe you had winning years. I can even believe Rob won what he said he did. I just don't believe the strategy had anything to do with it.

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    alan, I would believe you.

    We all can have a good year.

    I've had at least one profitable year.
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    I also recall that one of the old math boyz, I think on the old board, said that the math shows that there will be a few long term winners among those who play negative expectation games: envision a bell curve.
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  7. #127
    So why does no one believe Rob? Of all the people on this forum Rob's story about winning $100k a year is the EASIEST to believe because he plays at HIGH denominations. He doesn't need many winners at $25/coin video poker to win $100k a year.

    Quads on bonus are at least $3125 each. Quad aces is $10,000.

  8. #128
    Jbjb you hit the proverbial nail. What makes you think Rob's strategy has any impact at all?

    Do you remember the huge discussion here... I think it was two or three years ago... when he hit a $50,000 winner but did NOT use one of his special plays? He played conventional VP just like Dancer. And he won big.

    He even says he uses special plays less than 5% of the time. Yet everyone criticizes him as if EVERY hand is a special play!!!!!

  9. #129
    I believe Alan likely had winning years. I believe Rob had winning years.

    But I don't believe either have a net profit overall.
    #FreeTyde

  10. #130
    These people would question me if I posted that I had enough cash to buy a cup of tea on Sunday morning. They'd question you if you said you had a nice conversation with your son last night. They just don't want anything that you or I say to be true. And why not? Because we question them when they post certain achievements that just don't make sense under anonymous names.

    Their biggest flaw is when they claim "this or that play is worth $50/hr." They know that's nothing but theory and we do too. Only when we say "the play isn't worth beans unless you walk away with a profit" that upsets them. They want their pre-detetmined phantom bucks to be worth something, even if they lose.

    Further, they don't like the fact that every single knowledgeable player can rightfully be labeled an ap. They want to be known as smarter than everyone else, even in their cowardly anonymity. In fact, many players don't even realize they're playing -EV games with the proverbial "edge" simply because it's rarely 100% certain what the slot club fluff will really be or what the mailers will be worth. It's a crap shoot, even to the neurotic and self-proclaimed genius gamblers of the inter NH ET.

    AP is no super duper thang. I've been stopped at more casinos than any other boastful VP "expert". But while they SAY they got banned for "playing with an edge" I always get banned for the casinos not being able to make a profit off me.

    This stuff is just simple math.

  11. #131
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I believe Alan likely had winning years. I believe Rob had winning years.

    But I don't believe either have a net profit overall.
    I understand this but do you? What you're essentially saying is it's possible my play strategy can win by playing 40-50 sessions some years, but other years it does not....and the losing years lose more than the winning years win, right?

    So tell me, is this the result of playing 99.6% games, whereas if you believed I won overall as I have done, then that could only be the result of playing 100.1% games?

    Think about the mathematical chaos in all that.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I believe Alan likely had winning years. I believe Rob had winning years.

    But I don't believe either have a net profit overall.
    Correct. I have not had a profit overall and never pretended to have.

    I can't speak for anyone else.

  13. #133
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Speed will come later and naturally.
    For someone just learning the games, this above makes me feel better because getting faster has been a slow process lately. 1200 hph blows my damn mind, not to mention 2k hph, and I`m practicing on a computer! Although the 2k hph was probably played on a way easier game I`d guess. Some great stuff in that post monet. Glad to see that the quad aces hit!

  14. #134
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Blackhole year after year I wrote I never had a profitable year gambling. No one questioned it because I was associated kwith Rob Singer. Even after posting photos of me with three $100k royals, two of which I got using only free play, no one ever questioned if I really had a losing year.

    So I ask you, if I had ever posted that I had a profitable year would anybody believe me because I'm associated with Rob?

    AxelWolf recently said if I posted win/loss statements from casinos they would be forgeries.

    It's so much easier to say I never had a profit. Look at what Rob goes thru -- a guy who routinely played VP at $125 per push of the button and easily could have won $100k a year without a single royal.
    Rob did not routinely play at $125 a hand. By his own account he produced only one royal at that level in 10 years. He would have produced a lot more than that if he routinely played at that level.
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I believe Alan likely had winning years. I believe Rob had winning years.

    But I don't believe either have a net profit overall.
    I understand this but do you? What you're essentially saying is it's possible my play strategy can win by playing 40-50 sessions some years, but other years it does not....and the losing years lose more than the winning years win, right?

    So tell me, is this the result of playing 99.6% games, whereas if you believed I won overall as I have done, then that could only be the result of playing 100.1% games?

    Think about the mathematical chaos in all that.
    I don't know exactly how your system works, but I'd say yes, that first part is almost certainly true.

    It would depend how much someone played if they only played a 100.1% game. Obviously that person isn't going to have a winning year every year, unless he played a very low variance game and got a ton of hours in. If that person played 9/6 JOB (99.54%) and got 0.56% cash-back, then he'd have a 0.1% advantage. He would need about 19 million hands to have an 85% chance of being ahead, and 76 million hands before he'd have a 98% chance of being ahead. Nobody plays a 0.1% edge.
    #FreeTyde

  16. #136
    Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Speed will come later and naturally.
    For someone just learning the games, this above makes me feel better because getting faster has been a slow process lately. 1200 hph blows my damn mind, not to mention 2k hph, and I`m practicing on a computer! Although the 2k hph was probably played on a way easier game I`d guess. Some great stuff in that post monet. Glad to see that the quad aces hit!
    According to WoV and it's Mr Wizard...

    Dr. Antonius is the current single-machine record holder at 2,262 hands per hour.

    For the Two Machine Record you have...
    As the end of the video shows, Ken again made zero errors and his speed was 2,590 hands per hour.



    You can read the whole thread and see where I lost my mind on it.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...-poker-player/

    It wasn't long after I requested to be self terminated that I created a new user name PingPangPong about 26/27 days after my self-suspension.
    I didn't realize how serious creating another user name was. I also didn't realize that self suspension took on an automatic 30 days suspension.
    Many Rules on that site I didn't or still don't know. I never read them. I didn't realize that the site was Totalitarianistic and I was a member for just under 2 years.
    I am still pretty new to online forums and still do not understand the culture of them for the most part.
    I only participate on this forum currently for the most part. So basically I am a member of 4 forums but I keep my posting to just one forum for the most part.
    When I was on WoV I would just post over there. After my banishment I moved over here. I had 6 months of a hissy fit but have calmed down since my demise I think.

    You can look up my user name PingPangPong and my thread "Jumping Off A Cliff" where I told the wizard to jump and to GFY.
    After that and the duplicate ID they gave me the axe. I created a bunch of other user names for awhile after that and they banned about 35% of them so far.
    I rarely read or post on that site these days. I had about 6 months over here talking about the WoVers and their posts but lately I have stopped that as well.
    I think I got it all out of my system. I will say that because of my craziness they had to ban Wizard of Nothing who also was Strictly AP so some good came out of my lunacy.
    They also had to restructure their rules and tighten up the ship lol. Their Mods are still rouge though but better organized now.

    I still say they do not put the player in real world conditions and show how these players can maintain this speed for 8 hours a day for months on end.
    Whatever though. If they say that a player can play at 2200 hands per hour on one machine and sustain it for 10 years playing 40-60 hours a week who am I to say it isn't true.
    Even if they can't maintain that speed I see no problem with someone being able to get up to 1000-1200 hands per hour and sustain that through their VP career.
    Do you really want to play two machines for 8 hours a day in one spot at 2500 hands per hour? Would this draw unwanted attention to you?
    Can you really sustain and not get No Mailed/86'd if you consistently do this?
    If you start playing 1, 2 or 5 dollar VP are you going to actually play at 2200 hands per hour on one machine with no mistakes for hours on end?
    These numbers are clearly inflated. They only play for a few minutes and use math projections to make it look like they are sustaining these inflated numbers.
    Last edited by monet; 09-22-2018 at 08:29 PM.

  17. #137
    Gee isn't that special. Some idiot playing two 25c machines.

    Here's an idea: play one $2 machine at 1000hph. Same as 8000hph on quarters. Kinda blows away what this fool's wasting his time doing. And what's "theoretically" lost due to it not being FPDW will be easily made up for with comps, cash back, and freebie offers.

    Why would the wizard put something this stupid up?

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Speed will come later and naturally.
    For someone just learning the games, this above makes me feel better because getting faster has been a slow process lately. 1200 hph blows my damn mind, not to mention 2k hph, and I`m practicing on a computer! Although the 2k hph was probably played on a way easier game I`d guess. Some great stuff in that post monet. Glad to see that the quad aces hit!
    According to WoV and it's Mr Wizard...

    Dr. Antonius is the current single-machine record holder at 2,262 hands per hour.

    For the Two Machine Record you have...
    As the end of the video shows, Ken again made zero errors and his speed was 2,590 hands per hour.



    You can read the whole thread and see where I lost my mind on it.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...-poker-player/

    It wasn't long after I requested to be self terminated that I created a new user name PingPangPong about 26/27 days after my self-suspension.
    I didn't realize how serious creating another user name was. I also didn't realize that self suspension took on an automatic 30 days suspension.
    Many Rules on that site I didn't or still don't know. I never read them. I didn't realize that the site was Totalitarianistic and I was a member for just under 2 years.
    I am still pretty new to online forums and still do not understand the culture of them for the most part.
    I only participate on this forum currently for the most part. So basically I am a member of 4 forums but I keep my posting to just one forum for the most part.
    When I was on WoV I would just post over there. After my banishment I moved over here. I had 6 months of a hissy fit but have calmed down since my demise I think.

    You can look up my user name PingPangPong and my thread "Jumping Off A Cliff" where I told the wizard to jump and to GFY.
    After that and the duplicate ID they gave me the axe. I created a bunch of other user names for awhile after that and they banned about 35% of them so far.
    I rarely read or post on that site these days. I had about 6 months over here talking about the WoVers and their posts but lately I have stopped that as well.
    I think I got it all out of my system. I will say that because of my craziness they had to ban Wizard of Nothing who also was Strictly AP so some good came out of my lunacy.
    They also had to restructure their rules and tighten up the ship lol. Their Mods are still rouge though but better organized now.

    I still say they do not put the player in real world conditions and show how these players can maintain this speed for 8 hours a day for months on end.
    Whatever though. If they say that a player can play at 2200 hands per hour on one machine and sustain it for 10 years playing 40-60 hours a week who am I to say it isn't true.
    Even if they can't maintain that speed I see no problem with someone being able to get up to 1000-1200 hands per hour and sustain that through their VP career.
    Do you really want to play two machines for 8 hours a day in one spot at 2500 hands per hour? Would this draw unwanted attention to you?
    Can you really sustain and not get No Mailed/86'd if you consistently do this?
    If you start playing 1, 2 or 5 dollar VP are you going to actually play at 2200 hands per hour on one machine with no mistakes for hours on end?
    These numbers are clearly inflated. They only play for a few minutes and use math projections to make it look like they are sustaining these inflated numbers.
    I see where and why you said you lost your mind. There`s no way someone could play over 2k hands an hour on just one machine.

  19. #139
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I believe Alan likely had winning years. I believe Rob had winning years.

    But I don't believe either have a net profit overall.
    I understand this but do you? What you're essentially saying is it's possible my play strategy can win by playing 40-50 sessions some years, but other years it does not....and the losing years lose more than the winning years win, right?

    So tell me, is this the result of playing 99.6% games, whereas if you believed I won overall as I have done, then that could only be the result of playing 100.1% games?

    Think about the mathematical chaos in all that.
    I don't know exactly how your system works, but I'd say yes, that first part is almost certainly true.

    It would depend how much someone played if they only played a 100.1% game. Obviously that person isn't going to have a winning year every year, unless he played a very low variance game and got a ton of hours in. If that person played 9/6 JOB (99.54%) and got 0.56% cash-back, then he'd have a 0.1% advantage. He would need about 19 million hands to have an 85% chance of being ahead, and 76 million hands before he'd have a 98% chance of being ahead. Nobody plays a 0.1% edge.
    Here's what you're missing: even if I had losing years (which I haven't) the strategy was specifically designed for losing sessions, large or not, to be obliterated by the larger and sometimes much larger winning sessions. Which, in turn, would do the same for any losing years. In other words, critics like to theorize that I'll have large losing sessions that the many smaller winning sessions cannot keep pace with, but they for some reason totally block out the effect of the occasional much larger winning sessions, as well as how large they really are in comparison to the losers--which have never been as large as others guess they'd be.

    It's a safe road to take, I know, when people criticize something they aren't familiar with. The .1% example I provided was only a prop to demonstrate how irrelevant small percentages are to my type of play, and to again confirm that ap's know no other approach other than +ev means you win and -ev means you lose.

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