Video Poker Plays

[MisterV]

Rob has posted photos on $25/coin machines. Why is it impossible for him to have won about $100,000 per year playing high denominations?

For the same reason it is IMPOSSIBLE that you actually saw somebody roll 18 yos in a row.

It's the math.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob has posted photos on $25/coin machines. Why is it impossible for him to have won about $100,000 per year playing high denominations?

For the same reason it is IMPOSSIBLE that you actually saw somebody roll 18 yos in a row.

It's the math.

I'm going to point out again that Monet posted photos of negative EV games. Let me ask a different question, is Monet doomed to lose?

[Alan Mendelson]

Sigh* you held the fifth card.

Did you look at the paytable? There was no reason NOT to hold all five cards. There was, for example, no bonus if the fifth card was an ace. Mickeycrimm did the correct thing holding all five.

He knows that. He was making a joke.

I missed the joke.

[jbjb]

Did you look at the paytable? There was no reason NOT to hold all five cards. There was, for example, no bonus if the fifth card was an ace. Mickeycrimm did the correct thing holding all five.

He knows that. He was making a joke.

I missed the joke.

Axel had/has a bounty for a natural 5 of a kind on any game except for "Five Aces Poker"

[Alan Mendelson]

He knows that. He was making a joke.

I missed the joke.

Axel had/has a bounty for a natural 5 of a kind on any game except for "Five Aces Poker"

Explain this please.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob only 54% of American families directly own stocks themselves. I personally do not own stocks now but of course my pension fund is heavily invested in stocks as are most pension funds.

Even if I did invest in stocks at my current age no more than 35% of my assets should be in stocks. But with my pension plan heavily weighted in the market it is prudent for me not to be in the market at all.

By the way you still owe me dinner over our stock market bet. LOL

I do remember and it'll happen when schedules permit. I was thinking about it at RR next week but we're leaving around 2am for Lake Tahoe.

Yes I predicted wrongly on the market when it was at 15,000 but I got back in at around 17,500. I know not everyone's in the market, but when you see all these scavaging "ap's" claiming the nonsense they say they go thru for a few dollars here and a few dollars there--and when if they REALLY knew what they were doing ap-wise they'd be crowing about the hundreds of thousands they'd be making without having to take a step into any germ-laden/smoke filled casino--it brings out their true intelligence level.

One can only imagine at this time about how most of them feel by wandering in and out of casinos and internet gaming forums, instead having the wherewithal to have gotten a decent secondary education, then a job at a company that had a lucrative company 401k matching contribution plan. They moan over your large royals and my big hits along with my great success playing VP over the past 19 years because the dollar amounts are frightening to them. But if they didn't miss out on the advantages of actually having something called A JOB for at least 25 years, they'd comprehend why the amounts we talk about are simple peanuts. And there'd be zero need for them to say they don't understand but like to crow about, why you announce that you never have had a winning year.

[Alan Mendelson]

What I'm concerned with is Monet's success on 8/5 Bonus which is also Rob's main game...while our AP friends are apparently ignoring that 8/5 Bonus is a negative expectation game. What's up with that?

[jbjb]

I missed the joke.

Axel had/has a bounty for a natural 5 of a kind on any game except for "Five Aces Poker"

Explain this please.

Basically if the game malfunctioned and spit out a 5th card of the same rank. I'm guessing suits didn't matter. So say you're dealt 33336 in TDB going for the kicker and the machine goofs and puts out a 5th 3. Axel was willing to pay for a legitimate picture of this. I mentioned Five Aces Poker was excluded because of the Ace of Stars added to the deck making five natual aces possible.

[jbjb]

What I'm concerned with is Monet's success on 8/5 Bonus which is also Rob's main game...while our AP friends are apparently ignoring that 8/5 Bonus is a negative expectation game. What's up with that?

My guess, point and comp multiplier days.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks for the explanation about five cards. I think we'd all like to see an error like that!

I'm curious just what the value on a multiplier day is. At Stations Casinos I can on multiplier days get 6x points on video poker.

$10 coin in gets 1 point so 6x gets 6 points.
1000 points is worth $1.

Since I'm bad at math when does 8/5 Bonus turn positive based on 6x points which is the maximum you can get? (SLOTS can get a max of 10x points.)

[Rob.Singer]

What I'm concerned with is Monet's success on 8/5 Bonus which is also Rob's main game...while our AP friends are apparently ignoring that 8/5 Bonus is a negative expectation game. What's up with that?

What ap's say about this game is exactly what jbjb said they do in order to get the game into "positive" territory. However, doing so doesn't get it into a high enough expectation where they say they play for. Yet if you look the other way for a split second, some say they play it in this manner anyway.

You figure these people out.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob I gave the actual point and multiplier figures for Station Casinos. When does 8/5 Bonus become positive on the maximum multiplier days? By the way, 8/5 Bonus is available as low as 25-cents/coin.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't know if my math is correct but the way I figure it, with the maximum multiplier at Station Casinos the return on 8/5 Bonus Poker moves from 99.17% to 99.2-percent.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob I gave the actual point and multiplier figures for Station Casinos. When does 8/5 Bonus become positive on the maximum multiplier days? By the way, 8/5 Bonus is available as low as 25-cents/coin.

6X doesn't make it positive. It may get there with 6X on the 25c 8/5 progressives at Borracha's bartops in GVR.

[Alan Mendelson]

MisterV has posted above that "it's the math" and I'm hoping he'll show the math for the maximum impact of 6x points on 8/5 Bonus. Thanks in advance, V.

[jbjb]

I don't know if my math is correct but the way I figure it, with the maximum multiplier at Station Casinos the return on 8/5 Bonus Poker moves from 99.17% to 99.2-percent.

He must know the exact or close to it value of mailers as well. But your guess is as good as mine. I'm not familiar with their players club.

[Alan Mendelson]

He posted photos of mailers. If I recall he had something like $150 per week. Even with X number of free hands played how much more can the return be if he's playing, for example, 500 hands per hour?

And these were photos of $25 spent per hand.

[redietz]

If you think monet adheres completely to at-the-moment positive expectation games, I don't know where you got that idea.

I don't recall anywhere that monet said he adhered to any kind of strict AP playing schedule. He is aware in a precise fashion of returns and multipliers and comp rates, but I believe he makes it clear that he does not always abide by AP standards by playing within the lines, so to speak. My interpretation is that he draws outside the lines both because it sets up his various profiles in a more favorable fashion, and that he's also prone to winging it because he's not always playing on his own cards with his own money. I don't think it takes serious literary analysis to figure this out.

Just because someone can know all of the percentages and can call bullshit on people claiming to win on negative expectation games does not mean they themselves are adhering to every appropriate AP playing rule. "Monet as AP" reminds me more of a MASH surgeon winging it than a precise Boston surgical team. I'm not sure I'd ever use monet as an "AP examplar."

[MisterV]

MisterV has posted above that "it's the math" and I'm hoping he'll show the math for the maximum impact of 6x points on 8/5 Bonus. Thanks in advance, V.

Do your own dirty work.

Hell, I don't even play VP.

No, I am relying upon what others have said, coupled to my limited understanding of casino math to conclude that only a fool expects to win playing -EV casino games in the long run.

I play them for fun, I don't expect to win; those who claim to be winners in the long run have figured out a +EV angle, or else they are liars.

[Alan Mendelson]

After reading what redietz and MisterV just posted (thank you) I return to my previous point. Rob plays the same 8/5 Bonus game. So why can't Rob succeed at it? Of course none of you are calling Monet a loser, are you?