Video Poker Plays

[AxelWolf]

In the long term, yes. In the short term he will have winning sessions. Alan, I'm sure you seen the freeplay mailers that monet has posted. If you know how to work it the amount of freeplay will outrun the loss on the game.

Playing a slightly negative game and generating enough freeplay to turn the game into a positive has been going on for years. It's SOP with AP's.

There have been many posts discussing how people gain an advantage on VP in various diffrent ways. Alan is only interested in, and focused on trying to find ways to discredit AP's and defend his butt buddy Rob.

No. I'm trying to figure out why Monet gets a pass for playing a -EV game?

And again that free play is only worth 12 hands per month on $5/coin VP.

If someone has an advantage overall then they "gets a pass", as you would like to call it. IMO, even if an AP occasinally plays his favrote -EV game but over all has and advantage on evrything he plays theres nothing wrong with that. I know many AP's that make a good living from AP, however, they occasially have fun playing craps or some other game. It's a bit sad when a guy has years of -EV gambling while thinking he can beat the odds, espesilly when they are on forums that talk about this stuff.

[AxelWolf]

This is Barney,

Now I don't play the video pokers but this week at Indian Casino the LID drew after the four aces and hit a fifth one. The most kind casino personage paid him an extra $100 bonus for hitting the five of a kind.

This is exactly why I stopped offering the freeroll bounty. I dont want to deal with fake crap.

[AxelWolf]

I always read that the reason for holding all five (except when there's a kicker potential) is to:

1. Avoid the error of holding a wrong card. It's simpler to just hold all five.

2. By holding all five there is less likelihood of a machine error dropping a card.

I never heard any rumor about 5oak.

I have. It's something the ap community has believed in because they never really thought all machines were 100% on the up and up. That ended when I wrote about going to the NGC with evidence of my 5th card flip over theory being true. From then on, I was the crazy guy and not them.

IIRC didnt you and Mike have a bet or somthing and meet up regading this 5th card flip? It seemed as if you backed off this. Based on my understanding about what you have claimed in the past, I'm sure many people would be willing to make a wager that you are wrong.

[jbjb]

Did you look at the paytable? There was no reason NOT to hold all five cards. There was, for example, no bonus if the fifth card was an ace. Mickeycrimm did the correct thing holding all five.

As has allready been pointed out, it was a joke, well kinda. I never hold all 5 unless the game pays more for kickers.

Many years ago on the first VP machines supposedly there were a few instances where people drew to dealt 4 of a kinds and drew a "five of a kind". I'm skeptical. But even if it did happen a few times, I highly doubt there are very many of those type of machines left. Yet, all the VP writers to this day still seem to include this as some great advice. Also, I have seen where people post up pic's and get admonished for not holding the fifth card and they recite the same old BS they have read.

I have been playing VP since the early 90's, and I worked at a casino for about a year in the slot department. I know many people, AP's and non-AP's who have been playing VP for many years and not one of them has ever seen or heard of this happening outside the old rumors.

It kinda started before I was really participating on the forums. I had a friend who believed he was seeing this kinda nonsense(not just the five card thing, other crazy stuff like Rob thinks he sees). I told him the machines were playing tricks on his brain. He swore up and down it was happening all the time. So I made a bet with him that he couldn't ever find a legit scenario he was talking about. Obviously, he never did.

Anyways, I'm not sure exactly how it got started but a few years back there was a discussion about this on WOV. I said it was nonsense and put up a $500 freeroll bounty for anyone that could provide proof. No one ever did, however, I got a few PM's from people trying to pull a few fast ones. Eventually, I canceled the bounty(a few years was good enough because I dont want the hassle of dealing with people taking con shots at me ).

Let's think about this, there is no special reason why this would only happen on dealt4 of a kinds. Why can't you draw to any amount of cards and have the same card show up? If that isn't happening you can be damn sure it isn't going to happen during a dealt 4.

I suspect nowadays it's just as rare as your 18 yos in a row.

It's another stupid discussion, and no serious player would bother explaining any of that nonsense. Strong players ALWAYS hold all 5 cards when dealt quads unless the hand can be improved upon.
Period.

I hold all five unless a kicker is needed. I see no point in drawing either.

[jbjb]

This is Barney,

Now I don't play the video pokers but this week at Indian Casino the LID drew after the four aces and hit a fifth one. The most kind casino personage paid him an extra $100 bonus for hitting the five of a kind.

Bad Photoshop, but quite humorous.

[RS__]

At Stations, $1 CI on VP is 1 point. 1,000 pts = $1. With a 6x multiplier, $1 = 6 pts. That adds up to 0.6%.

On 99.17% BP, it goes to 99.77%. The loss is now 0.23%.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

That is a nice play MC. I wish I had something that soft to play at the dollar level around here.
Most plays like that in Vegas are at the Quarter Level and not many to choose from.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 coins adds .1% to the meter on the Royal.
A 4 of a Kind Progressive is pretty sweet.
Also a Straight Flush as well.
You can just play all day and night and never go broke.

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys don't understand that if you are playing at a 1% winner on a game like this it is worth 50 dollars an hour.
For most people that is a good hourly rate. Currently the Minimum Wage is set at $7.25 in the USA. It hasn't increased in 9 years since 2009.

Respectfully... I'm not saying not to play it. This is as good as it gets unless you find some full pay one eyed Jack's or one of those other games I never see. I did not say to not play this... I just said to not break up 3 of a kind to draw for a royal... if the royal was 12K sure go for it.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

This is the second time SLaPiNFuNK has tried to discredit an honest and easy AP play that will cause a player no heat.
It is obvious he has the 10% and 20% AP winners in his neck of the woods and the rest of us are just scrounging around for scraps.

These guys must be playing this:

Idiot degenerates play that shit.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Nice Hit Mickey!
The last 12 hours on NSUD Dollar Single Line I am down 2300 dollars.
I have not made one set of deuces in that time.
However I did make two sets at once on the Spin Poker Version last night.
I also hit 4 ducks on 5 Dollar BP Progressive Royal Poker with a set of Treys in the next few hands.
I am still waiting to go 20k hands without a quad.
I played 2 hours of the BnsPkr Deluxe Game I posted up and hit 5 sets of quads as well.
I also hit another jackpot which is very rare for me but I don't want to share that information.
I have the pictures and can post them at a much later date.

It seems us losing, busted, degenerate, lying APs are always broke and have no cash.

Spin poker? Really?

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Sometimes you go 20 thousand hands without a quad.
Other nights you flop them.
I held all five cards as well but I am nothing but a loser stealing images off the internet.

It is theoretically possible. I've also gone 45 hands without a paying hand playing double double bonus... when you for the run bad you got the run bad.

[mickeycrimm]

In the long term, yes. In the short term he will have winning sessions. Alan, I'm sure you seen the freeplay mailers that monet has posted. If you know how to work it the amount of freeplay will outrun the loss on the game.

Playing a slightly negative game and generating enough freeplay to turn the game into a positive has been going on for years. It's SOP with AP's.

There have been many posts discussing how people gain an advantage on VP in various diffrent ways. Alan is only interested in, and focused on trying to find ways to discredit AP's and defend his butt buddy Rob.

No. I'm trying to figure out why Monet gets a pass for playing a -EV game?

And again that free play is only worth 12 hands per month on $5/coin VP.

Alan, you're trolling. Its been explained to you a thousand times. For the 1001th time, a slightly negative game plus freeplay equals a positive situation. You are maddening in your ability not to understand things a 3rd grader gets.

[Alan Mendelson]

At Stations, $1 CI on VP is 1 point. 1,000 pts = $1. With a 6x multiplier, $1 = 6 pts. That adds up to 0.6%.

On 99.17% BP, it goes to 99.77%. The loss is now 0.23%.

Ok. Still not +EV. Thank you.

[Alan Mendelson]

There have been many posts discussing how people gain an advantage on VP in various diffrent ways. Alan is only interested in, and focused on trying to find ways to discredit AP's and defend his butt buddy Rob.

No. I'm trying to figure out why Monet gets a pass for playing a -EV game?

And again that free play is only worth 12 hands per month on $5/coin VP.

Alan, you're trolling. Its been explained to you a thousand times. For the 1001th time, a slightly negative game plus freeplay equals a positive situation. You are maddening in your ability not to understand things a 3rd grader gets.

And I told you the free play is not enough. How much free play does he need? He showed the mailers. Dies he need $1,000 free pkay? 2,000 free play?

[Alan Mendelson]

Axel... when you're part of the club you get a pass.
If you're not part of the club you're never right.

Get real. V has been at it for 20 years. And you guys wouldn't admit Rob is right about anything if your lives depended on it.

[mickeycrimm]

No. I'm trying to figure out why Monet gets a pass for playing a -EV game?

And again that free play is only worth 12 hands per month on $5/coin VP.

Alan, you're trolling. Its been explained to you a thousand times. For the 1001th time, a slightly negative game plus freeplay equals a positive situation. You are maddening in your ability not to understand things a 3rd grader gets.

And I told you the free play is not enough. How much free play does he need? He showed the mailers. Dies he need $1,000 free pkay? 2,000 free play?

Dont make blanket statements without evidence. Show me your calculation that the freeplay is not enough. The math, Alan. The math. Oh, thats right. You dont know the math.

[mickeycrimm]

At Stations, $1 CI on VP is 1 point. 1,000 pts = $1. With a 6x multiplier, $1 = 6 pts. That adds up to 0.6%.

On 99.17% BP, it goes to 99.77%. The loss is now 0.23%.

Ok. Still not +EV. Thank you.

Plus the royal was at 24k. Plus the freeplay mailers.

[Alan Mendelson]

At Stations, $1 CI on VP is 1 point. 1,000 pts = $1. With a 6x multiplier, $1 = 6 pts. That adds up to 0.6%.

On 99.17% BP, it goes to 99.77%. The loss is now 0.23%.

Ok. Still not +EV. Thank you.

Plus the royal was at 24k. Plus the freeplay mailers.

OMG I forgot the royal that he didn't hit. How stupid of me! And let's not forget the free drinks (less the $1 tips) and the value of future mailers and the invitation to New Year's Eve!

[Alan Mendelson]

The point is Monet does nothing that the rest of us also do including Rob. But Rob gets bashed. He's not in the club.

[monet]

The point is Monet does nothing that the rest of us also do including Rob. But Rob gets bashed. He's not in the club.

I get bashed plenty... don't worry about it.
I have explained many times how I get over 100% on Bonus Poker when you add everything up.
Why do I have to explain it again.
Rob doesn't play every day for everything combined.
Rob says he can go into the Casino and beat Bonus Poker every session for a specific amount and than quit.
He has a Hit and Run Strategy among other things like changing math holds to beat the glitches in games.

When you get 900 in Free Play on 50k coin in you are adding more win percentage to the game.
Do the math and figure it out. You aren't going to use my information anyways and it doesn't matter.
My main point was that 4 of a kinds come up all the time and nobody is going 20k hands without a 4 of a kind.

You obviously didn't look at the pictures because I went from 500 to 1500 when I hit deuces.
I played a couple of hands and moved to 1600 and hit 4 treys which pushed me to 2600.
You are either blind or a liar when you say my credits didn't move upwards.
Those hits are only worth a 1000 dollars. How much do you want the meter to move?

Redietz has some of the information in line.
I never play on other peoples money. As a matter of fact I have never had a backer in my life.
I have partnered on plays with a player or two when chasing a Progressive Royal.
However, 99% of my life and for the last 3 years I have never partnered with anyone on anything.
I play many cards and rotate them. You are trying to generate huge losses on specific cards.
You should have a pile of cards that have either slightly losing or winning records.
On the other cards you should have massive losses. Massive Losses generate more Everything.
I know you don't understand it so don't worry about it.

Your son can fuck off as well because he doesn't understand what I am doing on that Spin Poker Game.
Just like nobody was playing the Dollar Spin Poker at the Westgate when they were giving massive mailers.
Just like when their comp system was glitched and I was robbing the Gift Shop for anything and everything.
Did you know that you can sell cartons of cigarettes and bottles of booze?
Comp can turn into Cash if you know how to work it.
If the comp system is glitched and I can get someone to give me 200 dollars cash for a 400 dollar steak dinner...
I might be able to make some money.
Your problem is you think I am playing things straight up.
You don't know if the card reader is glitched or not on some of these games.
You are too busy worrying about 4 Dollar Juice at the Red Rock getting comped.

Either way it does not matter.
I notice that Video Poker is really on its way out nowadays.
It is all turning into Progressive Video Reels.
They are actually just taking Video Poker Machines out and not just downgrading them.
So we all better learn These Reel Machines now and our best hope online is from Mickeycrimm.
He is very much like me in that he is willing to teach online for free.
He isn't selling any books or bashing anyone that doesn't bash him first.
I for one am going to need his help if I am going to continue on with machines in general.
Either that or I will be back in the Live Poker Room taking advantage of the Drunks.
I could just retire all together but I would have to move away from Vegas to accomplish that.

[Alan Mendelson]

Of course you're going to go from 500 to 1500 when you hit quad 2s because that pays 1000. Duh.

Sorry Monet but there's nothing special about your play. And yes I agree you can have a run of quads just like you can have a run without quads.

I went more than a year without a royal then in one weekend I hit two of them. Dan didn't believe me but he was at Caesars the same weekend and I met him at Nobu to show him the W2Gs.

Stuff happens good and bad.

The bottom line is we're all playing the same games and the same way. Even Rob -- even Rob with all his talk is playing the same games you play and using the same holds you use. And his talk about "special plays"? Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time he plays the same way you do and Dancer does and Mickeycrimm too.

Everybody is grandstanding and that's the bottom line. In the end we are all playing against the casino.