AP Exemplar

[monet]

He's down to playing just $45 and $50 a hand. You never play that low, right Rob?

These guys are just misinformed and perhaps a little jealous.
When you see other members posting up worse games and hitting quarter Royals they praise them.
I try to show and teach players how to play some Video Poker and get over 100% on the base game.
Not only that but I try to instruct them how to go about getting over a 1% advantage and they just handle it.

Not only that but I have put up my own personal Reel Machine Plays.
I have told people exactly where they are and the exact entry point of playing them.
Nobody is playing them or care about the information but that isn't the point I am trying to make.
Perhaps it is though because many times I will tell people what to play and how to play it and they just do what they want which is completely against what I suggested.
Next they tell me out of 40 years of playing dice they only got tipped once from shooting in their lifetime!?
They also believe that going 20 thousand hands without a quad is a common occurrence.
Yet they can't even figure out simple math when it comes to the VP game and adding a simple thing like point day.
They butcher the math and they show how they butcher the strategy inside of 40 hands!
Not just one session of 40 hands but every session they completely butcher the strategy. making an average of 1 mistake per 15 hands!?
How can you win when you constantly go against the math or strategy??
Horse to water and making them drink if you understand my gist.

They balk or discredit any information that can help any serious players.
I see the same thing when Mickeycrimm posts up plays and math and large jackpot pictures.
It just goes along with the territory.

[Alan Mendelson]

I thought back on who got tipped over all those years playing craps. Generally they were the young virgin shooters who had the minimum on the pass line, no odds, and hit the Firebet or the All. Other guys tipping other guys? Nope, that was rare.

But in my case a player tipped me by putting $10 on the hard 4 for me, while he had $500 on the hard 4. I was the shooter and I made the Hard 4.

I guess I was never at a table at Caesars where guys tipped guys.

[SplitFaceDisaster]

They balk or discredit any information that can help any serious players.
I see the same thing when Mickeycrimm posts up plays and math and large jackpot pictures.
It just goes along with the territory.

I don`t get all the discrediting. If you went any further than posting pictures it could come back and bite you in some way, so I`m really not sure what else you could do to prove yourself. I personally get a lot out of posts like yours and Mickey`s. Isn`t that what these forums are for?

[RS__]

But who really has gone even one thousand hands without a 4oak?

I would say just about everyone has gone 1k hands w/o a 4oak. You have about a 1-in-10.6 chance of a given 1000-hand group of not hitting a 4oak.

[tableplay]

He's down to playing just $45 and $50 a hand. You never play that low, right Rob?

These guys are just misinformed and perhaps a little jealous.
When you see other members posting up worse games and hitting quarter Royals they praise them.
I try to show and teach players how to play some Video Poker and get over 100% on the base game.
Not only that but I try to instruct them how to go about getting over a 1% advantage and they just handle it.

Not only that but I have put up my own personal Reel Machine Plays.
I have told people exactly where they are and the exact entry point of playing them.
Nobody is playing them or care about the information but that isn't the point I am trying to make.
Perhaps it is though because many times I will tell people what to play and how to play it and they just do what they want which is completely against what I suggested.
Next they tell me out of 40 years of playing dice they only got tipped once from shooting in their lifetime!?
They also believe that going 20 thousand hands without a quad is a common occurrence.
Yet they can't even figure out simple math when it comes to the VP game and adding a simple thing like point day.
They butcher the math and they show how they butcher the strategy inside of 40 hands!
Not just one session of 40 hands but every session they completely butcher the strategy. making an average of 1 mistake per 15 hands!?
How can you win when you constantly go against the math or strategy??
Horse to water and making them drink if you understand my gist.

They balk or discredit any information that can help any serious players.
I see the same thing when Mickeycrimm posts up plays and math and large jackpot pictures.
It just goes along with the territory.

IIRC Alan even said that he prefers holding a high card over a pair in 8/5 BP with a progressive royal that isn't astronomically large enough to justify such a hold (good luck with the variance throwing away the pair even if it is). I had just thought that he had made a mistake of not noticing the pair when I watched the Youtube video, but when I pointed out the "mistake" in the forum here he said he prefers it over the pair, so it was intentional.

[tableplay]

I personally get a lot out of posts like yours and Mickey`s.

Ditto. It's really weird and evil that people would actually troll these guys.

[Bill Yung]

I personally get a lot out of posts like yours and Mickey`s.

Ditto. It's really weird and evil that people would actually troll these guys.

Yeah, it takes a "special" kind of person, say, a failed teacher, or self-glorified bum, to dedicate his entire life to simplistic, casino games, to slam and berate everyone else for, supposedly, being "ploppies", to contribute nothing to society, and then to expect someone to give a shit. It's funny if nothing else.

[tableplay]

I personally get a lot out of posts like yours and Mickey`s.

Ditto. It's really weird and evil that people would actually troll these guys.

Yeah, it takes a "special" kind of person, say, a failed teacher, or self-glorified bum, to dedicate his entire life to simplistic, casino games, to slam and berate everyone else for, supposedly, being "ploppies", to contribute nothing to society, and then to expect someone to give a shit. It's funny if nothing else.

The usual Straw Men from Mr. Pseudo-Science. Maxpen, you forgot to include Oneshitblunder in your list.

[monet]

Yeah, it takes a "special" kind of person, say, a failed teacher, or self-glorified bum, to dedicate his entire life to simplistic, casino games, to slam and berate everyone else for, supposedly, being "ploppies", to contribute nothing to society, and then to expect someone to give a shit. It's funny if nothing else.

[Bill Yung]

Ditto. It's really weird and evil that people would actually troll these guys.

Yeah, it takes a "special" kind of person, say, a failed teacher, or self-glorified bum, to dedicate his entire life to simplistic, casino games, to slam and berate everyone else for, supposedly, being "ploppies", to contribute nothing to society, and then to expect someone to give a shit. It's funny if nothing else.

The usual Straw Men from Mr. Pseudo-Science. Maxpen, you forgot to include Oneshitblunder in your list.

What's "weird and evil" is how grown men can take such baloney so personally.

[Rob.Singer]

monet listen up: you're no "teacher". There's nothing you've shown that has any tutorial meaning to anybody. In fact, you've been factually wrong on your free play and cash back claims multiple times, and when asked the hard questions about it you do what every faker does--divert & deflect. See redietz for confirmation.

And all we've see from you is a bunch of pictures that have no identification or confirmation about who, when, or where. So if you're gonna keep claiming how gamblers can do better under your tutelage, wise up and give us something that's real. This isn't WoV, where a bunch of unproven anonymous horn-tooters live by theory and proclamation alone, and from the safety of their arm chairs.

[jbjb]

This isn't WoV, where a bunch of unproven anonymous horn-tooters live by theory and proclamation alone, and from the safety of their arm chairs.

Right. This joint is just a bunch of loud mouthed ploppies, and you're the king of them.

[Rob.Singer]

This isn't WoV, where a bunch of unproven anonymous horn-tooters live by theory and proclamation alone, and from the safety of their arm chairs.

Right. This joint is just a bunch of loud mouthed ploppies, and you're the king of them.

Let's match the number of posters over here who post jackpot pictures along with w2g's vs. the number of cowardly anonymous armchair theory-ploppies who do the same ar your sacred weirdo-filled WoV!

Oh wait--atheists, transgenders, agnostics, foreigners and minorities just don't prove anything. They just talk and expect everyone to believe them.

Dr. Ford is likely a member over there.

[Alan Mendelson]

Tableplay wrote: "IIRC Alan even said that he prefers holding a high card over a pair in 8/5 BP with a progressive royal that isn't astronomically large enough to justify such a hold..."

Maybe for you the size of the royal didn't justify the hold, but for me it was. I was playing for the royal, otherwise I wouldn't have been playing a 6/5 Bonus paytable. Holding a non paying pair would have been ridiculous. The progressive royal had a 6/5 paytable.

And yes, sometimes I will hold high cards instead of a non paying pair trying to go for the royal. Remember I was using FREE PLAY in the videos. I would rather take a shot at a royal with free play that I can't cash out than worry about non paying pairs improving.

[MaxPen]

Tableplay wrote: "IIRC Alan even said that he prefers holding a high card over a pair in 8/5 BP with a progressive royal that isn't astronomically large enough to justify such a hold..."

Maybe for you the size of the royal didn't justify the hold, but for me it was. I was playing for the royal, otherwise I wouldn't have been playing a 6/5 Bonus paytable. Holding a non paying pair would have been ridiculous. The progressive royal had a 6/5 paytable.

And yes, sometimes I will hold high cards instead of a non paying pair trying to go for the royal. Remember I was using FREE PLAY in the videos. I would rather take a shot at a royal with free play that I can't cash out than worry about non paying pairs improving.

Decisions and thought processes like that are why you can't pay your son. Not that he's actually worth anything.

[jbjb]

Tableplay wrote: "IIRC Alan even said that he prefers holding a high card over a pair in 8/5 BP with a progressive royal that isn't astronomically large enough to justify such a hold..."

Maybe for you the size of the royal didn't justify the hold, but for me it was. I was playing for the royal, otherwise I wouldn't have been playing a 6/5 Bonus paytable. Holding a non paying pair would have been ridiculous. The progressive royal had a 6/5 paytable.

And yes, sometimes I will hold high cards instead of a non paying pair trying to go for the royal. Remember I was using FREE PLAY in the videos. I would rather take a shot at a royal with free play that I can't cash out than worry about non paying pairs improving.

Decisions and thought processes like that are why you can't pay your son. Not that he's actually worth anything.

Just like the retards at table games with the "That's where the money's at" as they point to the high house edge side bets. Stupid is as stupid does.

[redietz]

I personally get a lot out of posts like yours and Mickey`s.

Ditto. It's really weird and evil that people would actually troll these guys.

Yeah, it takes a "special" kind of person, say, a failed teacher, or self-glorified bum, to dedicate his entire life to simplistic, casino games, to slam and berate everyone else for, supposedly, being "ploppies", to contribute nothing to society, and then to expect someone to give a shit. It's funny if nothing else.

While Bill here has a perspective with some value, he rarely flips the perspective.

It's a "gambling" forum, first of all, so one would expect the kinds of information provided, and that the info would be deemed valuable given the subject matter. People on "gambling" forums would be expected to "give a shit."

Second, and obviously, "contributing nothing to society" is in the eye of the beholder. It's subjective. For the bulk of human history, greasing the wheels of capitalism and adhering to current 2018 cultural values would have been considered "contributing nothing" to whatever society one found oneself in. Today's culture is no smarter or better than what's gone before or what's ahead. So proclaiming today who's contributing to what is sheer hubris.

Third, I hate the use of jargon like "ploppies" because everyone can learn, despite evidence on this forum to the contrary. People with specialized knowledge should not, as a rule, poke fun at the intellectual limitations of others when it may be that the others are simply untrained or addicted.

Fourth, Bill seems motivated to decry the APs. My default take on this is that Bill, and others who "recreationally gamble (i.e. donate)" may no longer be capable of recognizing or publicly acknowledging the degree to which the casinos have trained them to behave a certain way, regardless of payback. They prefer to say it's all fun and has nothing to do with behavioral training and addiction. They are entitled to believe whatever they prefer, but they should not expect observers to agree with their self-blindness.

[Alan Mendelson]

You APs keep criticizing those of us who are recreational gamblers. You call us donors or sometimes addicts.

I look at casino gambling as recreation and fun and to me it's on par with joining a golf club or taking a cruise and I don't play golf and I get seasick so it's better for me to be in a casino.

But what about you APs? Do you have fun? Or are you so damn tight with your money and always having to look over your shoulders that you get sick with nerves and stomach problems or worse?

[RS__]

I have fun, but that doesn’t mean I enjoy every second of APing. Lots of it is also not fun or doing stuff I don’t want to do, is boring, etc. If I need or want something, I buy it. I’m not gonna just drink water with my meal to save money, or drive a block down the road to save some minute amount of money on gas. But when it comes to fun when gambling, it’s much more fun to win and know I’m supposed to win overall.

It might be more fun in the moment to play some high denom machine, but if it’s -EV, it’s not that fun overall.
It’s less fun (at the time) to play some boring ass game like 5c 100-play and just grinding it out, but if it’s +EV, it’s more fun overall.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ if APing means you have to do stuff that's boring or stuff you don't want to do then it can't be enjoyable.