Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
RS__ I define +EV differently than you and the others. You and the others use it so loosely it doesn't matter if you win or lose. That's hilarious. It's also sick.

Somewhere along the way all of you casino math geniuses got bamboozled.

It's not about +EV but it is about actual profit and control of your money. I'm tired of the debate. I give up. Use whatever terminology you want.

The longer these discussions go on, the more I'm convinced arci was correct that most of the anti-AP posts feature some kind of projection. The phrase "control of your money" is a new one by Mr. Mendelson. It dovetails into all of the commentary by Argentino and others regarding 401Ks and pensions.


I think three things are going on here:

1) The focus on 401Ks and pensions is a focus on another party safeguarding one's resources when one lacks the control to protect those resources when in casinos or gambling. The 401K's and pensions become a necessary part of one's life because, my God, without some entity overseeing one's money, how can one control behavior and keep that money safe?

2) The phrase "control of your money" implies that once the money is in the machines, it's somehow no longer under one's control. That phrase tells you all you need to know about addiction and the perspective of the addict.

3) Stop losses, win goals, soft profits, while all useful to reduce number of hands played on negative machines, are really desperate stratagems to structure and impose control ONCE THE MONEY IS IN THE MACHINES. They are artifices, rules of behavior because the people playing have difficulty simply walking away from the machines. They need rules for behavior because they aren't fully in control of their behavior.


All of these observations tie into arci's theory that the language being used is projection to a large degree. APs don't play if the situation is negative or when the positive angle ends. They can walk away. That's what the anti-APs despise and what's at the source of this: the APs have behavioral control of themselves. That's the bottom line.