Coins to Paper Currency?

[monet]

Most of you are pretty dense.
After reading these posts I see why you don't bother with machines or understand how to beat them.
On this play for ever day and person you ran through you were able to get extra free play on top of the 440.
Mailers came in quick... less than your first month of play.
Some of the machines allowed you to earn points while using your free play.
A couple of other things but no reason to explain it to you all again because you don't care, you don't understand and That Promo is Over.

[RS__]

But whatever anyone wants to call it, you are getting the ev on the extra 40 so not a bad deal.

Yeah but the AP who actually accepted the offer wrote this...

it's not worth the $35 in EV or so to spend all this time doing all this nonsense.

So is it a good deal if it's not worth it?

And RS was only talking about gathering 20 lbs of quarters together,
to put 10 people on the play daily that would require gathering 200 lbs of quarters daily.

Is that a more worthwhile endeavor?

Like I think I said before, something being worthwhile is different for different people.

I figured if I could go to the bank and get $2k in coins, go to EI for 5 days, then yeah I’d do that. I didn’t take into account how heavy the coins would be, nor that I could only get so few coins at a time. Sure I could go to the D or some store with coindroppers, but at that point, I’d be spending an inordinate amount of time to get $35. To me, it’s not worth spending 1+ hours for $35.

If I lived right next door, or was going there or somewhere nearby regularly, then yeah, it could definitely be worth it, especially if I could get the coins easily without having to drive all over town.

[Alan Mendelson]

Most of you are pretty dense.
After reading these posts I see why you don't bother with machines or understand how to beat them.
On this play for ever day and person you ran through you were able to get extra free play on top of the 440.
Mailers came in quick... less than your first month of play.
Some of the machines allowed you to earn points while using your free play.
A couple of other things but no reason to explain it to you all again because you don't care, you don't understand and That Promo is Over.

Exactly what are you going to get after running thru $440??

I doubt you'll get a thing in terms of future free play. If a casino gave you one-tenth of one percent on your $440 that would be 44-cents.

[kewlJ]

Actual or "what might happen" has no bearing on anything.

Good luck with getting through with this. I learned my lesson back in January....remember when I lost 8 grand but had a really good day building EV. Some of these guys just don't understand the concept of "expected value". AP's understand it. EV is everything! The non-AP's argue all sorts of nonsensical things. My favorite is that you can't pay rent or buy groceries with EV, which of course I have been doing for 15 years now.

But besides the fact, proven in this thread that some of the members here have no idea of the concept of EV, this thread is everything that is wrong with this site. I mean really! There is like 2 pages of argument over the term free play and/or slot play.

Yeah, RS_ technically used the term free play incorrectly. Although so does the casino industry. You know the local type casinos that give you a bonus in free play 10 or 20% when you cash you paycheck? That is not free....you are cashing your paycheck. Despite that everyone knew exactly what RS_ meant, the wait-and-pounce gocch ya guys did there thing. Lame....really lame.

[coach belly]

On this play for ever day and person you ran through
you were able to get extra free play on top of the 440.
Mailers came in quick... less than your first month of play.

The player runs freeplay through once,
and the casino sends more freeplay based on that play?

You generate more freeplay by running freeplay?

Sounds like a casino version of perpetual motion or nuclear fusion.

[coach belly]

this thread is everything that is wrong with this site.

Are you blaming the members that ask the questions,
or the members that answer the questions?

[Alan Mendelson]

Actual or "what might happen" has no bearing on anything.

Good luck with getting through with this. I learned my lesson back in January....remember when I lost 8 grand but had a really good day building EV. Some of these guys just don't understand the concept of "expected value". AP's understand it. EV is everything! The non-AP's argue all sorts of nonsensical things. My favorite is that you can't pay rent or buy groceries with EV, which of course I have been doing for 15 years now.

But besides the fact, proven in this thread that some of the members here have no idea of the concept of EV, this thread is everything that is wrong with this site. I mean really! There is like 2 pages of argument over the term free play and/or slot play.

Yeah, RS_ technically used the term free play incorrectly. Although so does the casino industry. You know the local type casinos that give you a bonus in free play 10 or 20% when you cash you paycheck? That is not free....you are cashing your paycheck. Despite that everyone knew exactly what RS_ meant, the wait-and-pounce gocch ya guys did there thing. Lame....really lame.

Come on kewlj. Get off your pedestal. RS' error in calling the initial $400 free play has nothing to do with your EV story. He used the wrong terminology. It has nothing to do with you. The end.

Now about cashing your paycheck: if a casino really gives you cash for your paycheck and then a bonus percentage which is a coupon or downloaded for play then that is free play.

[kewlJ]

this thread is everything that is wrong with this site.

Are you blaming the members that ask the questions,
or the members that answer the questions?

I am blaming the people "like" you who nit pick stupid, irrelevant stuff, just to try to make someone look bad. And while it wasn't you in this instance, it was Alan, who has a similar history of trying to discredit AP's, with this kind of stupid stuff....the use of a word, or some other irrelevant thing.

I mean in this particular case, what the fuck difference does it make that RS_ said free play rather than slot play which is technically correct. Is there anyone....ANYONE...who didn't know exactly what he meant? He specifically laid out that the expected value was $36 for the effort.

[Alan Mendelson]

On this play for ever day and person you ran through
you were able to get extra free play on top of the 440.
Mailers came in quick... less than your first month of play.

The player runs freeplay through once,
and the casino sends more freeplay based on that play?

You generate more freeplay by running freeplay?

Sounds like a casino version of perpetual motion or nuclear fusion.

Stations Casinos no longer give points for using free play. That puts an end to "compounding" free play.

I haven't played at Caesars at all in 2018. Does Caesars still give points when you use free play? They used to.

[Alan Mendelson]

this thread is everything that is wrong with this site.

Are you blaming the members that ask the questions,
or the members that answer the questions?

I am blaming the people "like" you who nit pick stupid, irrelevant stuff, just to try to make someone look bad. And while it wasn't you in this instance, it was Alan, who has a similar history of trying to discredit AP's, with this kind of stupid stuff....the use of a word, or some other irrelevant thing.

I mean in this particular case, what the fuck difference does it make that RS_ said free play rather than slot play which is technically correct. Is there anyone....ANYONE...who didn't know exactly what he meant? He specifically laid out that the expected value was $36 for the effort.

No it was not stupid pointing out what is and what isn't free play. What's stupid is calling your own money free play, and when told you made a mistake failing to acknowledge it. That's like planting your feet firmly in quicksand.

What's next kewlj, calling us "haters" for trying to make things correct and clear?

[coach belly]

this thread is everything that is wrong with this site.

Are you blaming the members that ask the questions,
or the members that answer the questions?

I am blaming the people "like" you who nit pick stupid irrelevant stuff,
just to try to make someone look bad.
And while it wasn't you in this instance, it was Alan,
who has a similar history of trying to discredit AP's,
with this kind of stupid stuff....the use of a word,
or some other irrelevant thing.

Nobody is obligated to answer any questions and thereby lengthen the thread.

My inquiry on how someone could amass and maneuver 200 pounds of quarters daily,
in order to stake 10 players on this 400/440 play is legitimate and relevant to the discussion.

Whether or not he paid these players, what was the expected profit after "payroll",
how long this process could be maintained...these are legitimate questions...
as is questioning the claim of earning freeplay by using freeplay.

All relevant...don't you agree?

[Alan Mendelson]

Coach, if you said it there are many here who will never agree. That is a fact.

[coach belly]

Coach, if you said it there are many here who will never agree. That is a fact.

It's like WOV is the classroom, they are all on their best behavior over there,
because they are terrified of the teachers (moderators).

VCT is their playground after school, where they can all act like
the brats and punks and that they really are.

[kewlJ]

Are you blaming the members that ask the questions,
or the members that answer the questions?

I am blaming the people "like" you who nit pick stupid irrelevant stuff,
just to try to make someone look bad.
And while it wasn't you in this instance, it was Alan,
who has a similar history of trying to discredit AP's,
with this kind of stupid stuff....the use of a word,
or some other irrelevant thing.

Nobody is obligated to answer any questions and thereby lengthen the thread.

My inquiry on how someone could amass and maneuver 200 pounds of quarters daily,
in order to stake 10 players on this 400/440 play is legitimate and relevant to the discussion.

Whether or not he paid these players, what was the expected profit after "payroll",
how long this process could be maintained...these are legitimate questions...
as is questioning the claim of earning freeplay by using freeplay.

All relevant...don't you agree?

Are you asking me? If so, I wouldn't be bothered with this "play". I and my late partner engaged in some small potato(e) (optional Dan Quayle spelling ) plays occasionally. We used to hit Jerry's nugget every Tuesday for $46 in EV in match play/free bets. I did the old El Cortez ATM withdraw play (give a freeplay or slot play bonus) probably 6-8 times. I collected upwards of 100 coupon Palms coupon books that each had $60 Match plays and then had to visit palms daily for 6 weeks to play them all through. But I just won't be bothered acquiring and lugging around hundreds of dollars in quarters for this return. That's me...maybe it would be worth the time and effort to others. I mean look at all the homeless or near homeless hustler type gamblers around town. $35 a day ought to be well worth it to them.

Actually I have to question just how long Ellis Island would allow the same person to run this play. Casinos have a way of shutting down such a play when they feel like it. I did that table game rebate at Terribles Casino (when it was terribles) a few times. After like the 3rd time they refused to give me the rebate despite that there was no limit. They just pointed to small print that said something along the lines of "at management discretion". I think Ellis Island would invoke something similar if the same person showed up with $400 in quarters day after day.

[coach belly]

Are you asking me?

Yes I am asking you if the questions that I raised in this discussion are relevant.

You seem bothered by what you consider to be "nit-picking".

I'm seeking clarity.

If you're bothered questioners' methods, then why not just ignore the questions,
instead of complaining or insulting the members for asking questions.

Like I wrote earlier, no one is obligated to answer any questions to lengthen the thread.

Your paycheck example is still not clear to me,
but if you sign over your paycheck and they give you only slot play in return,
which you must wager once in order to cash out, then that is not free play.

In AC there is free play, which is awarded based on previous play.
There is no cash redemption possible from the casino until you wager it,
and you don't earn points or additional free play by wagering it.

But if you get an offer such as choice of $100 gift card or $100 slot play,
then they call that slot play, because you essentially used your $100 gift
to buy it.

[AxelWolf]

I am fairly certain when they first started the promo it was 20% extra in free slot play/ free play/ points. They lowered it at some point. They also had a deal where they would reverse your cab fare in slot play/free play/ points. I have no idea what they got going on now.

[monet]

I see the comments are still pretty dense.
kewlJ thinks they would shut you down if you kept coming back.
Not true. Good to Rotate people through and yourself as well on different days.
I and another player did the El Cortel ATM rebate 3 times a month for over 3 years and that was every month.
When the Plaza had the Double Royal Promotion I lived at the place for 8 months.
12-17 hours a day. I had rooms or suites for over a week at a time. I lived in Bingo.
I greased some of the wheels and never once was asked to leave or stop these promotions.
Binions started up their glitched swipe promotion and the few of us that knew did it for over 2 years solid.
The last year the word got out more and you seen more and more people taking advantage of the system.
They finally fixed it after 3 years or so of the glitch.
Skyline ran a month long promotion that I camped out 16 hours a day at and they lowered the promo but I stuck with them for another 2 months.
The list goes on and on.
Can or will a Casino cut you off or throw you out for abusing promotions... Yes but sometimes you have to test them.
The bartender at the Skyline told me the Casino Manager told them to give all those guys what they want.
Don't throw them out or give them any trouble for playing the promotion or machines.
They did cut the 10/7 Double Bonus 5 months after the initial promotion so they realized they made a mistake.
They claimed they lost over 100k during the first month of the promotion.
However I think something else was going on. That place is some sort of a washing machine for Jim Marsh.
The guy built a hotel connected to the Skyline right after the promotion.

Sometimes the Casino wants to show large coin in numbers or player point numbers to either get Loans or Sell the place.
I am not sure what Boyd is doing because I know they are losing a lot of VP players but it doesn't seem to matter because most of their Casinos are still busy when I walk through.
They are phasing out VP and Reel Machines for the new Mickeycrimm style of Vision Plays.

However it doesn't matter.
As always you don't like the information I provide don't use it.
You don't believe it... you don't have to.
I know from experience that I crushed the Ellis Island/Plaza/Las Vegas Club/Skyline/El Cortel Promotions over the years.
I netted over 60k from the Plaza. Over 30k From the Skyline. Over 50k from Ellis Island.
I don't have as accurate records with the El Cortel because I played with them for over 20 years.
They had a ton of Full Pay Games all over the place before Dancer came through.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

800 half dollars weight 20 pounds
1600 quarters weights 20 pounds
4000 dimes weights 20 pounds
8000 nickels weights 88.18 pounds
40000 pennies weights 220 pounds

best bet is quarters, dimes, and half dollars only.

[kewlJ]

Come on kewlj. Get off your pedestal. RS' error in calling the initial $400 free play has nothing to do with your EV story. He used the wrong terminology. It has nothing to do with you. The end.

Shut the fuck up Mendelson, you dishonest shyster. Your comments in response to RS_ once again, prove that you do not understand the concept of EV (expected value), which first became evident earlier this year when we discussed the concept. And NOT understanding this concept is precisely why your tired old ass is broke 2 days after you receive your pension and social security each month AND why you are in debt up to your big nose with family members that you continue to stiff.

[Alan Mendelson]

Come on kewlj. Get off your pedestal. RS' error in calling the initial $400 free play has nothing to do with your EV story. He used the wrong terminology. It has nothing to do with you. The end.

Shut the fuck up Mendelson, you dishonest shyster. Your comments in response to RS_ once again, prove that you do not understand the concept of EV (expected value), which first became evident earlier this year when we discussed the concept. And NOT understanding this concept is precisely why your tired old ass is broke 2 days after you receive your pension and social security each month AND why you are in debt up to your big nose with family members that you continue to stiff.

Listen kewlj. My comments had nothing to do with any debate about EV. I simply pointed out that using your own money is not free play. Now stop whining and stop trying to twist this into something else.

Using your own money is not free play. That's all. Now try to have a mature discussion.