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  1. #201
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I think Alan, Rob, myself, and a few others should just stop posting on this site.
    I agree. Why don't YOU lead by example?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #202
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    I've already done it...I asked you the same questions that another member asked of Singer earlier.

    Isn't that fair and balanced?

    Does your deflection affirm that you have cashed a winning ticket at US casinos valued at $10K or greater?
    For the record Singer hasn't responded to my questions. Why don't you grill Singer about that?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #203
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    First off, "pure math" already refers to something more specific than the way you used the term.

    Pure mathematics explores the boundary of mathematics and pure reason. It has been described as "that part of mathematical activity that is done without explicit or immediate consideration of direct application," although what is "pure" in one era often becomes applied later. https://www.google.ca/search?q=pure+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
    Secondly, I didn't even read this promotion's details. I have very little interest in or time for gambling math per se. At any rate, gambling math doesn't call for a lot of if any rigorous mathematical proof or debate.

    Thirdly, aren't computer simulations for engineering, math, or whatever, supposed to be about not being able to (easily) "punch in the exact numbers"? Like for generating the first million prime numbers to check out some of the longstanding unsolved conjectures and theorems about primes? Did you really mean only that the guy who did the simulation didn't properly set it up, he misunderstood that promotion's details, and/or he is a poor computer programmer?

    All Stickman did with the simulation is make an estimate because he didn't know the exact math to use, and he couldn't punch the exact numbers into the simulation.
    There are plenty of math sites on the internet where you can ask and get answers by college math professors
    Then why do you continue to search for others to prove things out here? Why does anyone have to go to Montana to see you play? To see where you live? To go to Vegas to read stuff going back forty years on Red, that only he seems to be in possession of? And on and on. Post up your own proofs, and simple evidence of what you claim to do. Find something by someone with a real name in the gambling industry who writes that slot machines offer a high-level income. Ask the guy who did the simulation to show you his code. Find out his side of the story. Have him post any corrections and other edits to his casino internet site.

    Still waiting just to hear about how poker EV is different from that of blackjack, and, hence, how the long-run distributions differ in comparison; how no one has to lose at blackjack; how KJ "blows through" a deck or two playing heads-ups, five times a day to play a hundred thousand hands a year, but still manages to count one or two more tables. If you want to continue to endorse KJ, you have to back up also what you do and don't write about it. And, how it was that you wrote on the WoV that you lived out of a hotel at the corner of such and such somewhere in Montana.

    You skirt the comments and questions that you, apparently, can't acknowledge and truthfully reply to other than with vague isolated and idiotic responses such as "brain-dead and beyond help".

    Here is the question to ask: What is the probability of rolling the dice exactly 13 times without producing a 7?
    Fine. If that's all there is to it, then ask the Wizard. You should have had the one precise answer a long time ago.
    I already have the precise answer. I don't have to ask anyone. It's you that doesn't know and needs to ask others. All the gibberish in your post doesn't cover for the fact that you are math challenged.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #204
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    For the record Singer hasn't responded to my questions. Why don't you grill Singer about that?
    Why don't you grill the ditz about it? They are, after all, your questions.

    The ditz doesn't seem to want to offer much info, I think he's ducking the questions for some reason.

    So I'll ask you...

    If a patron cashes a winning ticket for $10K or more, or bets a total of $10K+ in cash, is the casino required to file a CTR?

  5. #205
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    First off, "pure math" already refers to something more specific than the way you used the term.



    Secondly, I didn't even read this promotion's details. I have very little interest in or time for gambling math per se. At any rate, gambling math doesn't call for a lot of if any rigorous mathematical proof or debate.

    Thirdly, aren't computer simulations for engineering, math, or whatever, supposed to be about not being able to (easily) "punch in the exact numbers"? Like for generating the first million prime numbers to check out some of the longstanding unsolved conjectures and theorems about primes? Did you really mean only that the guy who did the simulation didn't properly set it up, he misunderstood that promotion's details, and/or he is a poor computer programmer?

    All Stickman did with the simulation is make an estimate because he didn't know the exact math to use, and he couldn't punch the exact numbers into the simulation.
    There are plenty of math sites on the internet where you can ask and get answers by college math professors
    Then why do you continue to search for others to prove things out here? Why does anyone have to go to Montana to see you play? To see where you live? To go to Vegas to read stuff going back forty years on Red, that only he seems to be in possession of? And on and on. Post up your own proofs, and simple evidence of what you claim to do. Find something by someone with a real name in the gambling industry who writes that slot machines offer a high-level income. Ask the guy who did the simulation to show you his code. Find out his side of the story. Have him post any corrections and other edits to his casino internet site.

    Still waiting just to hear about how poker EV is different from that of blackjack, and, hence, how the long-run distributions differ in comparison; how no one has to lose at blackjack; how KJ "blows through" a deck or two playing heads-ups, five times a day to play a hundred thousand hands a year, but still manages to count one or two more tables. If you want to continue to endorse KJ, you have to back up also what you do and don't write about it. And, how it was that you wrote on the WoV that you lived out of a hotel at the corner of such and such somewhere in Montana.

    You skirt the comments and questions that you, apparently, can't acknowledge and truthfully reply to other than with vague isolated and idiotic responses such as "brain-dead and beyond help".

    Here is the question to ask: What is the probability of rolling the dice exactly 13 times without producing a 7?
    Fine. If that's all there is to it, then ask the Wizard. You should have had the one precise answer a long time ago.
    I already have the precise answer. I don't have to ask anyone. It's you that doesn't know and needs to ask others. All the gibberish in your post doesn't cover for the fact that you are math challenged.
    That's the best you can do?
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  6. #206
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    First off, "pure math" already refers to something more specific than the way you used the term.



    Secondly, I didn't even read this promotion's details. I have very little interest in or time for gambling math per se. At any rate, gambling math doesn't call for a lot of if any rigorous mathematical proof or debate.

    Thirdly, aren't computer simulations for engineering, math, or whatever, supposed to be about not being able to (easily) "punch in the exact numbers"? Like for generating the first million prime numbers to check out some of the longstanding unsolved conjectures and theorems about primes? Did you really mean only that the guy who did the simulation didn't properly set it up, he misunderstood that promotion's details, and/or he is a poor computer programmer?



    There are plenty of math sites on the internet where you can ask and get answers by college math professors
    Then why do you continue to search for others to prove things out here? Why does anyone have to go to Montana to see you play? To see where you live? To go to Vegas to read stuff going back forty years on Red, that only he seems to be in possession of? And on and on. Post up your own proofs, and simple evidence of what you claim to do. Find something by someone with a real name in the gambling industry who writes that slot machines offer a high-level income. Ask the guy who did the simulation to show you his code. Find out his side of the story. Have him post any corrections and other edits to his casino internet site.

    Still waiting just to hear about how poker EV is different from that of blackjack, and, hence, how the long-run distributions differ in comparison; how no one has to lose at blackjack; how KJ "blows through" a deck or two playing heads-ups, five times a day to play a hundred thousand hands a year, but still manages to count one or two more tables. If you want to continue to endorse KJ, you have to back up also what you do and don't write about it. And, how it was that you wrote on the WoV that you lived out of a hotel at the corner of such and such somewhere in Montana.

    You skirt the comments and questions that you, apparently, can't acknowledge and truthfully reply to other than with vague isolated and idiotic responses such as "brain-dead and beyond help".

    Here is the question to ask: What is the probability of rolling the dice exactly 13 times without producing a 7?
    Fine. If that's all there is to it, then ask the Wizard. You should have had the one precise answer a long time ago.
    I already have the precise answer. I don't have to ask anyone. It's you that doesn't know and needs to ask others. All the gibberish in your post doesn't cover for the fact that you are math challenged.
    That's the best you can do?
    You are just a plain out little bitch troll. I have better things to do than give lengthy answers to someone who is just hell bent on trolling. No answer is good enough for you. Go to the online math professors then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #207
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Jerry “Stickman” is an expert in craps, blackjack and video poker and advantage slot machine play. He is a regular contributor to top gaming magazines. He authored the video poker section of Everything Casino Poker: Get the Edge at Video Poker, Texas Hold'em, Omaha Hi-Lo, and Pai Gow Poker! You can contact Jerry “Stickman” at stickmanjerry@aol.com
    Who are we to believe? This guy or you? Are also you a craps expert?

    You're dead here, Mickey.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  8. #208
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Go to the online math professors then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
    I doubt that those guys do any computer simulations to answer the types of questions normally asked on those sites.

    Again, why should I try to answer this, however? You would just dismiss it out of hand.

    Oops! Mickey got caught with his pants down.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  9. #209
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I think Alan, Rob, myself, and a few others should just stop posting on this site. Then we should sit back and just watch the site eventually vanish.
    Finally, something we are in agreement about! Actually you should have done so about 6 months ago. Because of mention of this site at least on two occasions at one of the more legitimate forums, there was twice, a number of good legitimate members of the AP/Gambling community that visited this site to take a look. A handful signed up, posted once or twice, of those moses and Midwest player have stuck around. But we had the chance for many more, but most took a look and vanished because of you jackoffs.

    And I sometimes think the other way as well, that mickey, myself, jbjb, RS, the other AP's and even non-AP that try to contribute in a positive manner should all stop posting and just let this site be you 3 or 4 angry, bitter "haters" talking to yourselves, shades of gambler's glen, when I last checked in a year or so ago. That is most likely what this site is destine to become.

  10. #210
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm surprised that you haven't been asking Argentino similar questions...see if you can muster up some fair and balanced questioning here. You can do it.
    I've already done it...I asked you the same questions that another member asked of Singer earlier.

    Isn't that fair and balanced?

    Does your deflection affirm that you have cashed a winning ticket at US casinos valued at $10K or greater?
    As mickey and red try to make people believe they know the answers to the $10k question by using the "everybody KNOWS I know the answer to THAT easy question" strategy "so there's no need to actually answer it" as a cover-up for their phoniness, I have no problem saying "I don't know". And why is that? Because if this pair of geniuses had the abilities to go back and read history, they'd see my win was broken down into multiple similar winning tickets at different casinos.

    Not so problematic that mickey has no clue because he's never been anything but a two-bit gambler with a bag full of BS. The interesting part of this is how redietz--oh he of "5 and 6-figure winners"--also has no clue. Anybody want to guess why?

  11. #211
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Go to the online math professors then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
    I doubt that those guys do any computer simulations to answer the types of questions normally asked on those sites.

    Again, why should I try to answer this, however? You would just dismiss it out of hand.

    Oops! Mickey got caught with his pants down.
    They don't need computer simulations to do simple math problems. Can't you keep this stuff in the right thread?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #212
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    If a patron cashes a winning ticket for $10K or more, or bets a total of $10K+ in cash, is the casino required to file a CTR?
    Is this some kind of trick question? Maybe some kind of gottch ya" thing that I am not seeing?

    I am not an expert in winning tickets totaling $10k as I don't believe I have ever had one (my late partner did).

    But in blackjack or other table games it is even worse than that. It's not just a total bet or cashout of $10k, but buy-in as well. A 10k buyin requires a CTR. A player may not win a dime just buy in. AND it is even worse than that. It is buy-in over a single day (casino day). So a player buying in for $3k, 4 different times during the day, the casino is required to issue a CTR. lol. And it could be the same $3000. Suppose he breaks even or wins/losses some small amount, cashes out and buys in 3 more times with that same money. He gets a CTR. Makes no sense. And not only that, but the casino is responsible for tracking that....even if a player is playing unrated.

    However, I personally have never understood the negative connotation associated with CTR (other than it wastes time). For AP's, CTR are easily explained. Even for a recreational non-AP player, a CTR is no big deal. Easily offset in most cases. If you are playing enough to win that kind of money, you probably have losses to offset it.

    IMO, what is far worse than CTR is SAR (suspicious activity reports), The player person that generates the report often doesn't even know that the report has been generated and sent. And the triggers for such a report are very vague. In a bank frequent deposits and withdraws of just a couple thousand dollars (it is supposed to be $3000) can generate a SAR. In a casino a cashier that thinks a player may be breaking up cashouts can generate a SAR (without even informing the player). There is way too much discretion.

  13. #213
    CTR is not that big of a deal. It essentially gets warehoused and ignored unless there is something else that causes further review such as an SAR or an income tax audit or similar situation.

    You are better off not trying to avoid the $10,000 transaction by using multiple transactions (Structuring) as that will lead to further examination.

    Didn't Caesars get in trouble a few years ago for not filing CTR's?

  14. #214

  15. #215
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    CTR is not that big of a deal.
    Is the patron required to provide ID including ss# for the CTR?

  16. #216
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So a player buying in for $3k, 4 different times during the day, the casino is required to issue a CTR.
    How does the casino keep track of multiple buy-ins? (assuming the patron is playing unrated)

  17. #217
    The CTR form and requirements include SSN. Therefore, the logical assumption would be that they can refuse the transaction if they would then be unable to complete the form. But I don't know that for a fact. If I were a bank, I would refuse without a social.

    The casino is supposed to keep track of multiple transactions, and they do have procedures for that. For someone like Kewl ( or at least per Kewl's question) who may buy in several times a day, anonymously, if they are on the ball they should at some point ask for full ID so they can file the report or refuse his cash. But realistically, are they watching that closely and do they really want to create the hassle and send him packing? Both the player and the casino hate the law so would it be surprising if the system failed in such cases.

  18. #218
    They DO start badgering you for your social if you are buying in for a lot of cash and it looks like you might approach $10,000. Of course, the player is free to decline while still under 10k . If you hit $10,000 and refuse to give a social they will stop dealing to you.

  19. #219
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    The CTR form and requirements include SSN. Therefore, the logical assumption would be that they can refuse the transaction if they would then be unable to complete the form
    Is the patron required to sign the form?

  20. #220
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    They DO start badgering you for your social if you are buying in for a lot of cash and it looks like you might approach $10,000.
    How about for machine play?

    For example, say you are an AP on a play.

    Your main objective is to hit the jackpot, but you also use your players card so that you can accumulate cash back, free play, comp and whatever other offers that make the play +EV.

    Should you find yourself stuck for $10K+ chasing the play, does the casino issue a CTR?

    I'm not sure that the requirements for a players card include providing a ss#...assuming a players card does not require a ss#, will a casino rep approach the player and request a ss# so that the CTR from can be completed?

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