Rob Singer containment thread

[kewlJ]

Now let's get back to this Rob Singer character and his "anonymous" rant. This story (that started this thread) is exactly why AP's play anonymously and participate anonymously on forums (at least those AP's that choose to participate). We have a whole industry trying to stop us and an entire new industry OSN, biometrics and various other database companies and consultant companies that are playing off the casino industries paranoia. We have to play anonymously and should we decide to participate we have to do so anonymously. We HAVE to protect ourselves at all costs.


The fact that Mr Rob Singer / Harry Argentino doesn't seem to know and understand this is unequivocal proof that he has no clue of advantage play and winning money from the casino industry. His entire claim and elaborate story is fraudulent....nothing but a hoax.

And for those that need further proof let me remind you of a few quotes from the owner of this very forum, Dan Druff.

Rob, you realize that what you're claiming is virtually impossible, right?
If you play a certain number of -EV video poker hands, it is just about mathematically impossible, barring an absolute miracle of luck, to come out ahead.
The only way you can come out ahead in -EV video poker (ignoring club promotions) is to get some fluke big hit and then barely play again for life.

I should give Alan and Rob a lesson in math here.
The "long run" isn't as long as you think, when it comes to gambling.

Getting back to Rob and video poker.
While numbers like "99% return" and "101% return" sound insignificant, they're actually not.
After a relatively small number of hands, the luck will flatten out. You can't play an extended period of time at 99% return and win, and you can't play an extended period of time at 101% (provided you're playing correctly).

But 10 years of regular or semi-regular play resulting in $1,000,000 profit?
That's as absurd as seeing 18 yos in a row. Except the difference is that I believe Alan believes he saw 18 yos in a row, but just saw something incorrectly. Rob knows he didn't win a million, but he uses it to troll APs here.

Dan Druff isn't on any "side". He isn't out to get Rob/Harry. He is just a reasonably grounded person (bad forum owner/manager) but reasonably grounded intelligent person, grounded in basic mathematics.

I don't know why we have to repeatedly be subject to this nut jobs ridiculous claims, that are mathematically unrealistic and even impossible, but as long as we do, I feel obligated to periodically reprint Dan Druff's quotes.

[mickeycrimm]

The Peppermill Corp. issues WRITTEN statements when they ban anyone from playing a certain game or games for any reason. Most reputable casinos would do this also. It's called "protection". All you pathetic people do is throw out a bunch of feel-good assertions about "other players" and "I heard this....I heard that so it must be true since I want it to be because I'm an AP" or "there's no doubt about it because six anonymous people are claiming it RIGHT NOW on another forum!"

Do you idiots even NOTICE the absurdity of your continuous flow of BS every time you try to bolster the unproven claims of others who say they're like what you claim to be? If that digs away at you, how about somebody from somewhere produce one of these bannings in writing on casino letterhead, like most or all casinos--esp MGM--would require be given out!

But you can't, can you. Anonymous fools simply want anonymous claims to go on and on.

In 2002 I played $1 Full Pay Deuces Wild at the Peppermill for three days. When at the booth to get comps the boothling told me I was assigned a casino host and they would want to meet me. The next time I went to get a comp a boothling told me I had an appointment that afternoon with the casino host. I blew the meeting off. My buddy Al had been on the play longer than me and had met the casino host. Al called me and told me about the play and that's how I got there.

On the third day this casino host comes up to the bank and says

"Al, I'm disqualifying you from all drawings and special events."
"What the hell for?" said Al.
"C'mon, Al. You know you are a pro. But I'm leaving your comp alone for now. Now I have to find this Crimm guy and tell him too." said the casino host.
"I know him. I'll tell him for you." said Al.

The casino host walked off not knowing I was sitting there listening to what he said. The deuce play wasn't worth that much, about $30 an hour. It was the drawings that made the play lucrative. So we drug up on the play.

It was about 2007 that Pepp and Atlantis started trading information and pulled the cards of a lot of AP's. That's the way the Pepp did it. They didn't 86 you. They pulled your card benefits.

Edit: Part of the Pepp casino host's job was to profile players and weed out the pros.

I'm sure you can provide proof of this new claim upon request

Ever notice how all of your tall tales include someone else who's always some kind of "pro"? It's like you long for the days of old, where everything was hearts and flowers and whatever you make up or pretend, magically comes to life!

Leave the fairy tales to the fairies.

Yes, Robocchio. I can provide proof, the whole proof, and nothing but the proof. I'll be glad to do so exactly right after you put up proof of all your bogus claims. Repeat, right after you put up proof of all your bogus claims. So get right on it, Robocchio.

[Bill Yung]

I guess that it's going to be some Christmas to look forward to this year at the Redietz's, KJ's and Crimm's: broke and brainless in a casino in Frackville. No wonder no one wants to join them.

[mickeycrimm]

It's not just horses. But a bet that pays 300 to 1 or better requires a W2G which includes having a social security number. I have to check the $ threshold amount but a $5 Fire Bet at craps hitting all 6 requires a W2G.

While I don't bet sports I'm guessing there must be some bets that pay 300 to 1 or better outside of horses????

Rob should be able to answer this question. Remember that parlay he hit a while back for 40K? That's a lot of money. Rob, did you get a W2-G?

[Rob.Singer]

Now let's get back to this Rob Singer character and his "anonymous" rant. This story (that started this thread) is exactly why AP's play anonymously and participate anonymously on forums (at least those AP's that choose to participate). We have a whole industry trying to stop us and an entire new industry OSN, biometrics and various other database companies and consultant companies that are playing off the casino industries paranoia. We have to play anonymously and should we decide to participate we have to do so anonymously. We HAVE to protect ourselves at all costs.


The fact that Mr Rob Singer / Harry Argentino doesn't seem to know and understand this is unequivocal proof that he has no clue of advantage play and winning money from the casino industry. His entire claim and elaborate story is fraudulent....nothing but a hoax.

And for those that need further proof let me remind you of a few quotes from the owner of this very forum, Dan Druff.

Getting back to Rob and video poker.
While numbers like "99% return" and "101% return" sound insignificant, they're actually not.
After a relatively small number of hands, the luck will flatten out. You can't play an extended period of time at 99% return and win, and you can't play an extended period of time at 101% (provided you're playing correctly).

But 10 years of regular or semi-regular play resulting in $1,000,000 profit?
That's as absurd as seeing 18 yos in a row. Except the difference is that I believe Alan believes he saw 18 yos in a row, but just saw something incorrectly. Rob knows he didn't win a million, but he uses it to troll APs here.

Dan Druff isn't on any "side". He isn't out to get Rob/Harry. He is just a reasonably grounded person (bad forum owner/manager) but reasonably grounded intelligent person, grounded in basic mathematics.

I don't know why we have to repeatedly be subject to this nut jobs ridiculous claims, that are mathematically unrealistic and even impossible, but as long as we do, I feel obligated to periodically reprint Dan Druff's quotes.

Posting more nonsense about yourself doesn't make your pain any better kew. You should know that by now. The only reason people like you want to be anonymous is so you can say virtually anything about yourself and expect/hope to leave it at that as being gospel. You can create any type of online character and not have anything be proven to the contrary. It is, In effect, the most cowardly of ways to be involved when there are others to whom you're trying to sell your story to.

What's interesting is how you people who make up these "gambling pro" stories want everyone to think that your "$100k yearly winnings" is supposed to be some sort of impressive liveable wage. That won't even get you thru two weeks of bath house visits in SF. Face it, you live like a slob in that rented joint your mom pays for, and it grinds away at you to know you'll never be anything. But take comfort in knowing your ap pal mickey lives in his car. AKA....the little people. It's truly pathetic watching you idiots constantly embarrass yourselves.

One point you passed over with your rant: you know I know everything about you and I'm learning more disturbing news every day. And that's the reason I'm constantly on your mind. Looking for Dan quotes is supposed to mean what--that he believes in ap baloney and not in how I approach video poker? Big surprise. I think you're infatuated with him because he comes with a bunch of illnesses.

Clear your head kew, and wise up. And stop worrying about me exposing you. I can't do it and it's not needed anyway. It's clear I reside inside your head (yuk!) probably 24 hours a day. That right there is punishment enuf isn't it?

[Keystone]

“Bath house visits”.....lmao

[coach belly]

Casinos cannot force you to provide a social.

If you hit a taxable you either provide your ss# or you won't get paid.

LOL -- what are you talking about?

You don't get that? Never hit a signer??

I can honestly say I never hit a "signer." I don't bet horses.

What is the argument above all about?

When Rob writes about "hitting a taxable" it's obvious that he is primarily referring to taxable machine jackpots as "signers".

I play 40-80 hours of video poker a year. I am ahead lifetime a modest amount (I play mostly quarters), roughly 5K right now.

Were there no taxable jackpots (aka "signers") hit to achieve this profit?

Playing "mostly quarters" indicates the possibility of some play above the quarter level, where a taxable jackpot is more likely.

[mickeycrimm]

Now let's get back to this Rob Singer character and his "anonymous" rant. This story (that started this thread) is exactly why AP's play anonymously and participate anonymously on forums (at least those AP's that choose to participate). We have a whole industry trying to stop us and an entire new industry OSN, biometrics and various other database companies and consultant companies that are playing off the casino industries paranoia. We have to play anonymously and should we decide to participate we have to do so anonymously. We HAVE to protect ourselves at all costs.


The fact that Mr Rob Singer / Harry Argentino doesn't seem to know and understand this is unequivocal proof that he has no clue of advantage play and winning money from the casino industry. His entire claim and elaborate story is fraudulent....nothing but a hoax.

And for those that need further proof let me remind you of a few quotes from the owner of this very forum, Dan Druff.

But 10 years of regular or semi-regular play resulting in $1,000,000 profit?
That's as absurd as seeing 18 yos in a row. Except the difference is that I believe Alan believes he saw 18 yos in a row, but just saw something incorrectly. Rob knows he didn't win a million, but he uses it to troll APs here.

Dan Druff isn't on any "side". He isn't out to get Rob/Harry. He is just a reasonably grounded person (bad forum owner/manager) but reasonably grounded intelligent person, grounded in basic mathematics.

I don't know why we have to repeatedly be subject to this nut jobs ridiculous claims, that are mathematically unrealistic and even impossible, but as long as we do, I feel obligated to periodically reprint Dan Druff's quotes.

Posting more nonsense about yourself doesn't make your pain any better kew. You should know that by now. The only reason people like you want to be anonymous is so you can say virtually anything about yourself and expect/hope to leave it at that as being gospel. You can create any type of online character and not have anything be proven to the contrary. It is, In effect, the most cowardly of ways to be involved when there are others to whom you're trying to sell your story to.

What's interesting is how you people who make up these "gambling pro" stories want everyone to think that your "$100k yearly winnings" is supposed to be some sort of impressive liveable wage. That won't even get you thru two weeks of bath house visits in SF. Face it, you live like a slob in that rented joint your mom pays for, and it grinds away at you to know you'll never be anything. But take comfort in knowing your ap pal mickey lives in his car. AKA....the little people. It's truly pathetic watching you idiots constantly embarrass yourselves.

One point you passed over with your rant: you know I know everything about you and I'm learning more disturbing news every day. And that's the reason I'm constantly on your mind. Looking for Dan quotes is supposed to mean what--that he believes in ap baloney and not in how I approach video poker? Big surprise. I think you're infatuated with him because he comes with a bunch of illnesses.

Clear your head kew, and wise up. And stop worrying about me exposing you. I can't do it and it's not needed anyway. It's clear I reside inside your head (yuk!) probably 24 hours a day. That right there is punishment enuf isn't it?

So did you get a W-2G on that 40K parlay you cashed?

[jbjb]

This quote from 'Romes' perfectly sums up Rob, Alan and crew here:

"In our world, there are 2 people who try to make money from gambling... an AP (advantage player whom has a proven statistical advantage over the house on numerous games and promotions - this is me), and*b) someone who has a non-math based theory of how to win. Most problem gamblers would fall in to the latter bucket in my opinion. Anyone whom takes the money seriously doesn’t actually gamble and takes the time to mathematically prove their edge. The 2nd group will gamble feverishly on hunches and non-math based theories and not for entertainment, thus why I think it would be a “problem” group."

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info.../2/#post683884

[kewlJ]

What's interesting is how you people who make up these "gambling pro" stories want everyone to think that your "$100k yearly winnings" is supposed to be some sort of impressive liveable wage. That won't even get you thru two weeks of bath house visits in SF. Face it, you live like a slob in that rented joint your mom pays for, and it grinds away at you to know you'll never be anything. But take comfort in knowing your ap pal mickey lives in his car. AKA....the little people. It's truly pathetic watching you idiots constantly embarrass yourselves.

One point you passed over with your rant: you know I know everything about you and I'm learning more disturbing news every day. And that's the reason I'm constantly on your mind. Looking for Dan quotes is supposed to mean what--that he believes in ap baloney and not in how I approach video poker? Big surprise. I think you're infatuated with him because he comes with a bunch of illnesses.

Clear your head kew, and wise up. And stop worrying about me exposing you. I can't do it and it's not needed anyway. It's clear I reside inside your head (yuk!) probably 24 hours a day. That right there is punishment enuf isn't it?

Who didn't know that this Singer/Argentino person would respond with more lies and personal attacks? I thought about predicting it last night but didn't want to encourage it.

But the fact is that is ALL he has...lies and personal, nasty attacks. When everyone with half a brain, grounded in mathematics points out that his claims not only have no basis in math, but are actually proven to be mathematically impossible, he fires back with nasty personal attacks, involving lies, even about family members. He has even included you Dan Druff among his attacks because you dared say publicly that his claims are mathematically impossible.

I don't honestly know what the purpose of his agenda to mislead other players and members is. It has been speculated that he profits by teaching gullible players his nonsensical system. I don't know if that is what it is all about or whether as you yourself Dan Druff stated in a quote above, these lies are for the sole purpose of trolling AP's. But either way isn't it time to put an end to this nonsense, and stop providing a platform for this clown to intentionally mislead other players? And then attack, lie about and bully anyone that points out his math....well there is no math. Let me add "threaten" to that. How many times has he threatened to out me, saying things like he knows all my personal information?

Dan don't you want to see if this site can be more than this? More than this intentionally misleading fraud and his cronies and enablers attacking AP's with lies and vicious personal attacks? There is some useful information on this site that you have provided about players clubs and promotions and useful information that some of the AP's like mickeycrimm and monet provided. I have tried to provide some information about what I do, even though there are few blackjack players. But the usefulness of this site, legitimate information and discussion is wasted and buried under all these attacks and trolling. Everyone doesn't have to agree with or even believe me and the other AP's, but it is time to put an end to those that all they have is trolling and nasty personal attacks and that has to begin with this Singer/Argentino character. Let him peddle his hate and nastiness elsewhere.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm I'm sure the casino gave Rob the appropriate tax forms. Why wouldn't the casino do that?

A more interesting question surrounds what redietz posted about using off shore books to avoid US taxes.

Rob should answer the question. He made a post after I asked him the question so I know he read it. I suspect he is researching the tax laws before posting about it to get his answer straight.

[Bill Yung]

This quote from 'Romes' perfectly sums up Rob, Alan and crew here:

"In our world, there are 2 people who try to make money from gambling... an AP (advantage player whom has a proven statistical advantage over the house on numerous games and promotions - this is me), and*b) someone who has a non-math based theory of how to win. Most problem gamblers would fall in to the latter bucket in my opinion. Anyone whom takes the money seriously doesn’t actually gamble and takes the time to mathematically prove their edge. The 2nd group will gamble feverishly on hunches and non-math based theories and not for entertainment, thus why I think it would be a “problem” group."

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info.../2/#post683884

Ha. I don't see anyone from any of the gambling boards who is really making a go of it. Only bitter and phoney claims from low-IQ people who either have never had anything or have lost it all to gambling. Clearly, not even MrV, who claims to have it all, is happy with any of this gambling stuff.

Ha. KJ and the other AP's typing themselves to death. The guy has serious mental problems. Crimm lives out of a filthy hotel in some filthy town in Montana. Nice.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj Rob's claims are not mathematically impossible. Why do you persist in even arguing or debating? By now EVERYONE knows that Rob posts what he posts to provoke and aggravate. Whether he really won what he says he won NO ONE will ever know.

Frankly Rob is a smart guy. Some of the things he says about his play make perfect sense but you'll never accept those things. You don't have to. You also don't have to do battle with him on a daily basis. Neither does anyone else.

Some see value in Rob's statements and others do not.

Don't we all have better things to do than argue the same things over and over again?

[mickeycrimm]

Kewlj Rob's claims are not mathematically impossible. Why do you persist in even arguing or debating? By now EVERYONE knows that Rob posts what he posts to provoke and aggravate. Whether he really won what he says he won NO ONE will ever know.

Frankly Rob is a smart guy. Some of the things he says about his play make perfect sense but you'll never accept those things. You don't have to. You also don't have to do battle with him on a daily basis. Neither does anyone else.

Some see value in Rob's statements and others do not.

Don't we all have better things to do than argue the same things over and over again?

You should be making this speech to Rob.

[Bill Yung]

Mickeycrimm I'm sure the casino gave Rob the appropriate tax forms. Why wouldn't the casino do that?

A more interesting question surrounds what redietz posted about using off shore books to avoid US taxes.

Rob should answer the question. He made a post after I asked him the question so I know he read it. I suspect he is researching the tax laws before posting about it to get his answer straight.

Mickey and Singer each thinking that they are ensnaring the other when, in reality, gambling has already finished both of them.

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm I'm sure the casino gave Rob the appropriate tax forms. Why wouldn't the casino do that?

A more interesting question surrounds what redietz posted about using off shore books to avoid US taxes.

Rob should answer the question. He made a post after I asked him the question so I know he read it. I suspect he is researching the tax laws before posting about it to get his answer straight.

The casino will follow the tax law. What else do you need to know Mickey?

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj Rob's claims are not mathematically impossible. Why do you persist in even arguing or debating? By now EVERYONE knows that Rob posts what he posts to provoke and aggravate. Whether he really won what he says he won NO ONE will ever know.

Frankly Rob is a smart guy. Some of the things he says about his play make perfect sense but you'll never accept those things. You don't have to. You also don't have to do battle with him on a daily basis. Neither does anyone else.

Some see value in Rob's statements and others do not.

Don't we all have better things to do than argue the same things over and over again?

You should be making this speech to Rob.

Rob knows how I feel. We've talked often.

[Bill Yung]

Don't we all have better things to do than argue the same things over and over again?

That's what gambling is, no matter how it's pursued. Something that we can all accept or, at least, agree on, let alone dismiss.

What would Mickey do were it not for these forums? Drive around from one shit-hole to the next? Now he can drive around and brag about it.

[redietz]

LOL -- what are you talking about?

You don't get that? Never hit a signer??

I can honestly say I never hit a "signer." I don't bet horses.

What is the argument above all about?

When Rob writes about "hitting a taxable" it's obvious that he is primarily referring to taxable machine jackpots as "signers".

I play 40-80 hours of video poker a year. I am ahead lifetime a modest amount (I play mostly quarters), roughly 5K right now.

Were there no taxable jackpots (aka "signers") hit to achieve this profit?

Playing "mostly quarters" indicates the possibility of some play above the quarter level, where a taxable jackpot is more likely.

In post 139, I reference "when making sports bets." That is the context for the entire exchange. Coach, you seemed to miss that, which is strange considering it gets repeated twice in Rob's posts.

So let me guess -- if somehow this exchange becomes about video poker, which you for some reason assumed, then if I hit a signer playing video poker, but said, "honestly, I have never hit a signer," then we have a coach "gotcha" moment.

Sorry, coach. I could be wrong, what with me gambling for 40 years and all that, but the biggest machine jackpot I ever hit was a 25-cent FPDW progressive at the Palms for roughly $1100. It was on my three-royals-in-a-few-hours day, so I remember it.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj Rob's claims are not mathematically impossible. Why do you persist in even arguing or debating? By now EVERYONE knows that Rob posts what he posts to provoke and aggravate. Whether he really won what he says he won NO ONE will ever know.

Frankly Rob is a smart guy. Some of the things he says about his play make perfect sense but you'll never accept those things. You don't have to. You also don't have to do battle with him on a daily basis. Neither does anyone else.

Some see value in Rob's statements and others do not.

Don't we all have better things to do than argue the same things over and over again?

Yes Alan, Rob's claims ARE mathematically impossible. Everyone with half a brain and just a little mathematical knowledge knows that. I wouldn't expect someone, making the similarly impossible claim of seeing 18 y.o's in a row to understand what is and isn't mathematically impossible.

Rob's statements have NO value. Anyone who finds value in Rob's statements is someone looking for a reason to believe and support something that deep down, they themselves know is complete bullshit. Kind of an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. So some of you guys that don't like AP's, the AP culture ect, embrace Singers nonsense and hate solely because it is directed at someone or a group of someone's that you already don't care for.