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  1. #261
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    I agree. Never liked the term. Give the overall math another vernacular.
    Don't agree with him. He is being a douche for some reason. You actually laid out the perfect example of what accumulated EV is in your above post concerning FPDW play. Now imagine you play not only that game but several different games. You figure out where you are (actual results) in relationship to expectation by accumulated EV.

  2. #262
    I think people are getting lost in the semantics. On plays that the mathematical advantage (expectation) can be calculated within reason, you can use that info. If a play is worth a $100 an hour and you want to make $2000 a week you need to execute 20 hours of playing time on that edge. As with any kind of gambling there will be a variance with the actual results at the end of the week. That variance can be calculated as well and the results will help you to decide if your edge is playable due to bankroll size, time availability, length of exposure, and many other determining factors.
    If you are running above expectation you can reasonably expect at some point to revert back(run bad) to the expectation. If you are running below expectation you can reasonably expect to converge(run good) with expectation at some point.
    The whole "accumulating EV" is basically a reference to the action you are getting down on the edge, in order to make anything and get anywhere. The amount of play you accumulated will reflect with your overall results depending on the variance (volatility). Probably not the best terminology but it is what it is. Anyone who understands EV understands what is being implied.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 10-21-2018 at 11:51 PM.

  3. #263
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Anyone who understands EV understands what is being implied.
    I certainly would have thought so. That is why Axelwolf's response is so perplexing. Maybe he is just trying to give me a hard time (be a douche bag) and I am not realizing it....I don't know.

  4. #264
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Anyone who understands EV understands what is being implied.
    I certainly would have thought so. That is why Axelwolf's response is so perplexing. Maybe he is just trying to give me a hard time (be a douche bag) and I am not realizing it....I don't know.
    Because technically there is no such thing as ACCUMULATED EV.

    There is such a thing as Cumulative Earned Value though, which is what you are implying by using the term Accumulated Expected Value.

  5. #265
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.

    Basically you're saying you are playing with an advantage and as you keep playing with your advantage the profits should come. Is that correct? Well, "accumulating EV" is not the term to describe that.

    A wheel is round. A wheel can't be a cube.

  6. #266
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.

    Basically you're saying you are playing with an advantage and as you keep playing with your advantage the profits should come. Is that correct? Well, "accumulating EV" is not the term to describe that.

    A wheel is round. A wheel can't be a cube.
    KJ didn't invent the term. It is used by a lot of people. Anyone with a basic understanding gets what is being implied. You however are a proven dunce with osmium between your ears.

    Square wheels do exist but the term is mostly used as a metaphor.

  7. #267
    I swear 99% of the time this forum is something like:

    AP: "Had a good day, happy I generated a lot of EV."

    *Alan shuffling through his Webster's dictionary trying to find a way to refute what the AP said*

    Alan: "Oh I gotcha, I GOTCHA!!!! You said FREE PLAY but what you meant is SLOT PLAY, omg ahahahahaaa you so dumb!! No such thing as 'AP' when you can possibly lose money, durrrr, what you're saying is <continues rambling incoherently>. Believe me though because I'm a failed journalist and I have integrity even though I've never told the truth once in my life!!!!"
    #FreeTyde

  8. #268
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.
    MaxPen is correct. Is not my term Alan.

    The term for what we are talking about is "expected value". Every play has an expected value. We are adding up those expected values, thus accumulating expected values or EV.

    I am sorry you don't like the term. Please tell me what you prefer and maybe we can get people to re-write the books.

  9. #269
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.

    Basically you're saying you are playing with an advantage and as you keep playing with your advantage the profits should come. Is that correct? Well, "accumulating EV" is not the term to describe that.

    A wheel is round. A wheel can't be a cube.
    KJ didn't invent the term. It is used by a lot of people. Anyone with a basic understanding gets what is being implied. You however are a proven dunce with osmium between your ears.

    Square wheels do exist but the term is mostly used as a metaphor.
    You just defined the problem. You just said you get what's being implied. What is being implied is a poor substitution for an accurate description or term.

    Let's speak a language we all can understand.

    Again, a wheel cannot be a cube.

  10. #270
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.
    MaxPen is correct. Is not my term Alan.

    The term for what we are talking about is "expected value". Every play has an expected value. We are adding up those expected values, thus accumulating expected values or EV.

    I am sorry you don't like the term. Please tell me what you prefer and maybe we can get people to re-write the books.
    Okay you're telling me you can add up expected value? Then add up the expected value of just five (5) hands of blackjack. Show your work.

    As an example of what I want to see, I'm going to throw a single die five times:

    5 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 2 = 13

    Now can you add up your five hands of accumulated EV?

  11. #271
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj will you please try to understand this: your made up term "accumulating EV" is a bad term. It not only makes no sense but you can't do it. AxelWolf is not giving you a hard time and he's not joining the Alan Club but he's being honest.

    COME UP WITH ANOTHER TERM.

    Basically you're saying you are playing with an advantage and as you keep playing with your advantage the profits should come. Is that correct? Well, "accumulating EV" is not the term to describe that.

    A wheel is round. A wheel can't be a cube.
    KJ didn't invent the term. It is used by a lot of people. Anyone with a basic understanding gets what is being implied. You however are a proven dunce with osmium between your ears.

    Square wheels do exist but the term is mostly used as a metaphor.
    You just defined the problem. You just said you get what's being implied. What is being implied is a poor substitution for an accurate description or term.

    Let's speak a language we all can understand.

    Again, a wheel cannot be a cube.
    You are trying to focus on your use of the word cube now, when all know you are implying that there is no such thing as a square wheel. A very common metaphorical reference. Actually square shaped wheels do exist but everyone knows what is being implied with your reference. You're pretty much just a dimwitted troll with an obvious agenda.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...a-cube/276705/
    Last edited by MaxPen; 10-22-2018 at 01:13 AM.

  12. #272
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I swear 99% of the time this forum is something like:

    AP: "Had a good day, happy I generated a lot of EV."

    *Alan shuffling through his Webster's dictionary trying to find a way to refute what the AP said*

    Alan: "Oh I gotcha, I GOTCHA!!!! You said FREE PLAY but what you meant is SLOT PLAY, omg ahahahahaaa you so dumb!! No such thing as 'AP' when you can possibly lose money, durrrr, what you're saying is <continues rambling incoherently>. Believe me though because I'm a failed journalist and I have integrity even though I've never told the truth once in my life!!!!"
    This site really needs a thank you button.

  13. #273
    MaxPen why are you arguing with me? You said in post #264 what kewlj will not accept.

    Because technically there is no such thing as ACCUMULATED EV.

    There is such a thing as Cumulative Earned Value though, which is what you are implying by using the term Accumulated Expected Value.


    I did a Google search for the term "accumulated EV" and I found references to things like electric cars and Pokémon but nothing about gambling math.

    I know you want to put me down and insult me but for once, just this one time, agree with me and even AxelWolf and tell kewlj to come up with another term.

    Again, keep winning. But you're not accumulating EV.

  14. #274
    I have held my tongue for weeks.

    What KJ is referring to as accumulated EV essentially means expected profit or loss over time. Expected Value can be positive or negative.

    It makes sense for a player to track this, whether he is an advantage player or a person who expects to lose. If you expect to win, you can extrapolate what your winnings will be over time. If you are a “recreational” (losing) player, at any decent stakes, you should expect comps correspondingly.

    The casino tracks this, for all players who use cards, every minute of every day. They call it ADT and comp players accordingly.

  15. #275
    Quick hypothetical question for you AP pros.

    Let’s say you guys put me on a play that mathematically is worth $100.00 per hour. I play exactly as required for max advantage. Yet, for the first day of play, I play for 10 hours and end up losing $100.00 dollars per hour for a total loss of 1K. I go back the following day and unfortunately the same results happen. These same results sadly repeat for the whole week. I’m now down 7K.

    The following week I only lose 4K under the same conditions. I’m now down 11K. The following week I lose another 6K. I’m now down after 3 weeks and 210 hours of play a total of 17K. All my free play went down the drain the same way, and I ate all the free comped food and still had to pay out of my pocket for most of it. Amazingly everyone around me are hitting all kinds of good shit, royals, etc.

    How long should I expect to grind it out on the same play to recover the 17K I lost in cash along with the 21K I should have won, plus the additional $100.00 dollars per hour I should be winning to recover these losses to become mathematically sound again? Do I now have 38K plus expenses in the accumulated EV bank?

    Then for an added hypothetical situation I eventually after months of endless 10-hour days on this play eventually end up losing my whole 100K bankroll. Should I get a loan knowing eventually I have to recover my banked accumulated EV along with all the profits the math said I must have?

  16. #276
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think that at least we have dispelled the myths of accumulating EV. And I think we did it without another round of hateful attacks.
    What myth. Oh, you mean that stupid shit in YOUR head?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #277
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj congratulations for having a good year. It's not because you're accumulating EV. It's because you're playing smart and the cards are coming your way.

    I'm sorry but there's no such thing as accumulating EV. You can play with an EV, but you can't accumulate it.
    Dunce keeps proving he's a dunce.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #278
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Ha, Alan has you wrapped around his little finger. You couldn't just write, thanks, Alan, you are okay, after all.

    I tell you, any nut-job would be happy to call this place home. The entertainment value is off even MrV's "bullshit" meter. Puts you to sleep with a smile.
    And you certainly are a nut-job.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #279
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Ha, Alan has you wrapped around his little finger. You couldn't just write, thanks, Alan, you are okay, after all.

    I tell you, any nut-job would be happy to call this place home. The entertainment value is off even MrV's "bullshit" meter. Puts you to sleep with a smile.
    And you certainly are a nut-job.
    He proves that with all his stupid religious ramblings.

  20. #280
    Which religious ramblings? In any event, a little real religion might have saved a lot of the gamblers, including the AP's, who "gamble by not gambling" (they require a "special" trap, ha), from a lifetime headache. What normal person comes to a gambling forum? Mickey Crimm???
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

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